The 70 Weeks Prophecy - The Ezra 6:14 Challenge

[Davy]

It is VERY EASY to 'know'... that the final 70th week of Daniel 9 has not happened yet to this day.


Dan 8:9-14
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

The "little horn" is to appear at the END of this world, not back at the time of Jesus' 1st coming.

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

That "little horn" ends sacrifices in Jerusalem as per Daniel 9:27 and Daniel 11:30-31, and instead places the 'abomination that maketh desolate', the event Jesus warned us about in Matthew 24:15 for the END of this world.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?"
14 And he said unto me, "Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."
KJV

The treading of the sanctuary is about the Gentiles possessing the outer court of the future new 3rd temple the orthodox Jews are preparing to build in Jerusalem for the END (see Revelation 11). They are to tread the holy city for 42 months (or 1260 days), and that happens on the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe. Jesus comes on the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe, so that 42 months ONLY happens just prior to Jesus' future coming on the 'last day' of this world.

Dan 7:7-14
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Those "ten horns" are defined in Daniel 7:24 as "ten kings". Those are the same "ten kings" of Revelation 17:12 for the END of this world. We are told there they will give their power to the beast (king), and that they reign concurrently, at the same time.


9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, Whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him: thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

That is pointing to the VERY END OF THIS WORLD, when those "thrones" of those kings will be cast down on the day of Christ's future coming to end this world.


12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before Him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
KJV

That is about the establishing of Christ's future LITERAL Kingdom to come, on earth, at His future return.

What all this points to then, is that the one who ends the daily sacrifices in Jerusalem, and sets up the "abomination of desolation" IDOL there instead, will happen at the END of this present world. That is when those TEN KINGS WILL RULE WITH THE BEAST KING, and also will be DESTROYED, with Christ's Kingdom setup on earth instead for the END of this world.

Easy, peasy.

 

[covenantee]

It is VERY EASY to 'know'... that the final 70th week of Daniel 9 has not happened yet to this day.

Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

So you're still in your iniquity and unrighteousness?

 

[covenantee]

and to anoint holy holies

They err.

It is a reference to Messiah, the Most Holy Anointed One.

There is no one and nothing Holier.

Daniel 9:24 Hebrew-Aramaic

6944 [e] 6944 [e] 4886 [e]
qā·ḏā·šîm. qō·ḏeš wə·lim·šō·aḥ
קֹ֥דֶשׁ קָֽדָשִֽׁים׃ וְלִמְשֹׁ֖חַ
Most the Holy and to anoint
N‑mp N‑msc Conj‑w, Prep‑l | V‑Qal‑Inf

Daniel 9:25 Hebrew-Aramaic

4899 [e]
mā·šî·aḥ
מָשִׁ֣יחַ
Messiah
Adj‑ms

"Definition: anointed"

Luke 4
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised

Acts 4
27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together

Acts 10
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

There can only be one correct interpretation of the 70 Weeks prophecy. That means most views are wrong. I wanted to identify a single issue as the test to judge all interpretations by. I think I have found it.

It is not relevant, all that is relevant is Jesus died after "69 SEVENS" and there is "ONE SEVENS" left. What ever or WHENEVER is not relevant, 483 years of the prophesy have passed, 7 years are left.

WHAT DOES IT MATTER.............WHO, WHAT OR WHERE? It all leads us unto one point in time, Israel refused to repent thus the 70th week will not come to pass until they do because Gd can not lie. This that point in time will see 1/3 of Israel repent soon at the 1335(Two-witnesses event), just before the 1290 AoD which comes 30 days before the 1260 middle of the week (DOTL) events.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

They err.

It is a reference to Messiah, the Most Holy Anointed One.

There is no one and nothing Holier.

Daniel 9:24 Hebrew-Aramaic

6944 [e] 6944 [e] 4886 [e]
qā·ḏā·šîm. qō·ḏeš wə·lim·šō·aḥ
קֹ֥דֶשׁ קָֽדָשִֽׁים׃ וְלִמְשֹׁ֖חַ
Most the Holy and to anoint
N‑mp N‑msc Conj‑w, Prep‑l | V‑Qal‑Inf

Daniel 9:25 Hebrew-Aramaic

4899 [e]
mā·šî·aḥ
מָשִׁ֣יחַ
Messiah
Adj‑ms

"Definition: anointed"

Luke 4
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised

Acts 4
27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together

Acts 10
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

"holy holies". It's what the actual Hebrew says. You going to argue with God?

 

[Jay Ross]

[Daniel 9:24-27 based on ESV]
Removed capitals. Removed punctuation. Each "and" starts a new thought. Combined "and" where they are similar items. Some words replaced with more precise words.

[Purpose]
"seventy weeks are decreed concerning your people and your holy city to finish the transgression
and to put an end to sin
and to atone for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal both vision and prophet
and to anoint holy holies

The above caught my attention. This is what the ESV provides as sourced from the Biblehub: -

24“Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

From the above, verse I see two discrete sections in the verse. The first section describes what Daniel's people and the holy city had to accomplish during the 70 weeks of years which comprised of two parts:

1. to finish the transgression, and​

2. to put an end to sinning.​

​

In the second section we are told what would be accomplish by their Messiah after the end of the 70 weeks of years which consists of 4 actions on the part of the Messiah: -

1. to atone for iniquity,​

2. to bring in everlasting righteousness,​

3. to seal both vision and prophet,​

and​

4. to anoint a most holy place.​

I would suggest that there are around 33 years between the two sections of the prophetic verse Daniel 9:24.

In Exodus 20:4-6 Moses wrote the following: -

Exodus 20:4-6: - 4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation/age of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to a thousand generations/ages of those who love me and keep my commandments.​

It should be noted that the first two ages of the existence of the Israelites ended when their Messiah was born, which is a period of two generations/ages, with the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers of the first two generations/ages began being visited upon their children in the third and the fourth generation/ages, which will end in our near future, as Paul wrote, in Romans 11:25-26, that when the fullness of the allocated time for the Gentiles to trample God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts is completed, then after that time all of Israel will be saved. After the completion of the 2,300 years of the Little Horn having earthly armies to do his bidding in trampling God's Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts, (Daniel 8:9-14),that the kings of the earth will be judged on the earth at Armageddon, and, at the same time, the heavenly hosts will be judged in the heavenlies and they will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days toa way the time of their punishment, (Isaiah 24:21-22).

If the birth of Christ/the Messiah occurred in 4 BC, then the 70 weeks of years began in the year 494 BC. Four this to be true, the Constuction of the temple had to have been sufficiently finished by 494BC so that the yearly Sin Sacrifice could be offered individually and corporately.

Now when Jesus was asked how many times we should forgive our brothers, his answer was that we should forgive our brothers 70 time 7. In making this statement Jesus was referring to the nation of Israel as His Brothers. God was offering the nation of Israel His Grace for them to repent so that the visitation of their continual idolatrous worship would not fall upon their children during the third and the fourth generations/ages.

Now the Ezra challenge cannot be applied to Daniel 9:24. That is a furphy. However, the Ezra challenge might be applicable in verse Daniel 9:25 as to when Jerusalem would be restored and rebuilt in troubled times.

Then in Daniel 9:26a, we read: - "And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing.", but no information is given as to when the anointed one shall be cut off after the completion of the 62 weeks of years mentioned in verse 25.

Again, in Daniel 9:26b, we are given no information as to when "the people of the prince, who is to come, shall destroy the city and the sanctuary", will occur after the anointed one is cut off. History on the other hand confirms that the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

Daniel 9:26b, in my opinion will continue to occur, particularly the trampling of God's earthly hosts until the end of the sixth age, when Isiaih 24:21-22 will unfold.

Then Daniel 9:27 cannot begin to play out until Satan, the Beast and the False Prophet are all release after the completion of the decreed 1,000 years of their imprisonment.

The question that needs to be answered by the members of this forum, is this; - "Is the Ezra 4:14 challenge applicable at all to the Daniel 9:24-27 prophetic passage.

Shalom

 

[covenantee]

"holy holies". It's what the actual Hebrew says. You going to argue with God?

I showed you what the actual Hebrew says.

You are going to argue that the Most Holy Anointed One is not Messiah?

You are going to argue that "holy holies" is holier than Messiah?

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

I showed you what the actual Hebrew says.

You are going to argue that the Most Holy Anointed One is not Messiah?

You are going to argue that "holy holies" is holier than Messiah?

I don't have to. I go where the original text says. I do NOT put my personal biases into the text like you want to. It's Bible Study 101. It's the Ezra 6:14 Challenge. It will cancel all the wrong interpretations.

 

[covenantee]

I don't have to. I go where the original text says. I do NOT put my personal biases into the text like you want to. It's Bible Study 101. It's the Ezra 6:14 Challenge. It will cancel all the wrong interpretations.

So you believe that The Most Holy Anointed One is the Messiah, is a wrong interpretation.

Here's the question for you:

Do you believe that The Most Holy Anointed One is the Messiah?

Yes or no?

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

So you believe that The Most Holy Anointed One is the Messiah, is a wrong interpretation.

Here's the question for you:

Do you believe that The Most Holy Anointed One is the Messiah?

Yes or no?

You're so worked up about this. It's not even the point. The text says what it says. I don't apologize or have to come up with any kind of answer for you. At all. No obligations. YOU have to deal with the text the way it is. If you are having problems with what it says - that's your problem. Not mine.

The Ezra 6:14 Challenge will separate the wheat from ALL of the chaff.

 

[covenantee]

You're so worked up about this. It's not even the point. The text says what it says. I don't apologize or have to come up with any kind of answer for you. At all. No obligations. YOU have to deal with the text the way it is. If you are having problems with what it says - that's your problem. Not mine.

The Ezra 6:14 Challenge will separate the wheat from ALL of the chaff.

So that's a "no".

That leaves only one alternative.

You believe that The Most Holy Anointed One is antichrist.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I did several posts ago. Specifically. Read more carefully before spewing.

Well give me the post # and I shall read it.

The very fact you mistook Darius, Cyrus and Artaxerxes as three separate kings makes all your research suspect.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

My expertise? 45 years of study. Degree in Religious Studies. And a logical and truth seeking mind. I go where the evidence leads. How about you? What denomination and church traditions are you tied to?
I don't automatically have a closed mind to everything and am not threatened when ignorant and arrogant people spout falsehoods using some supposed expert they quickly searched on g**gle to try and bash some one over the head with.

Well I have 49 years of study.

Degrees in biblical counseling and Biblical theology not just religious studies.

Logical and truth seeking mind mean little to nothing, Proverbs 3:5-6. I still keep an open mind. I believe everything i believe in and believe I beleive correctly! that doesn't mean I am correct, but if I believed in things I knew was wrong- that is a real problem that needs help.

But once again, you have condemned me for listening to other men of god at the same time you are trying to get me to listen to you.

I have belonged to independent local churches unafilliated with any denomination for most of my life! But that means little to nothing if they were not committed to biblical truth. Biblical truth does not always coincide with a logical and truth seeking mind. Much of Scripture is totally illogical to the natural logical mind.

So why should I jettison all the godly men from my past and hitch my wagon to you?

I have more years of study,
Have evangelized tens of thousands
ran emergency food shelters,
Taught n churches, radio and television,
Created, administered and taught i a bible institute as well as teaching in bible college.

Amongst many other works. So my deeds and education outweighs yours but that also means nothing.

Without even knowing those who have taught me, how do you dare call them wrong and ignorant of biblical truth.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Well I have 49 years of study.

Degrees in biblical counseling and Biblical theology not just religious studies.

Logical and truth seeking mind mean little to nothing, Proverbs 3:5-6. I still keep an open mind. I believe everything i believe in and believe I beleive correctly! that doesn't mean I am correct, but if I believed in things I knew was wrong- that is a real problem that needs help.

But once again, you have condemned me for listening to other men of god at the same time you are trying to get me to listen to you.

I have belonged to independent local churches unafilliated with any denomination for most of my life! But that means little to nothing if they were not committed to biblical truth. Biblical truth does not always coincide with a logical and truth seeking mind. Much of Scripture is totally illogical to the natural logical mind.

So why should I jettison all the godly men from my past and hitch my wagon to you?

I have more years of study,
Have evangelized tens of thousands
ran emergency food shelters,
Taught n churches, radio and television,
Created, administered and taught i a bible institute as well as teaching in bible college.

Amongst many other works. So my deeds and education outweighs yours but that also means nothing.

Without even knowing those who have taught me, how do you dare call them wrong and ignorant of biblical truth.

I knew you'd make this about how much better you are and some super duper louper. You people always devolved into mocking and ridicule and bashing. Just not interested in the least your kind of childish behaviour.

 

[Jay Ross]

Hello, in #186 I nailed my thesis to the barn door, so to speak, in that post.

I explained why the Ezra 6:14 challenge is a furphy in that post. It is a sticking point for many members interacting in this thread. It seems that many of the people in this discussion are approaching or are into their 70's and that they speak from their perceived voluminous experience of their gaining understanding of God's word.

From my experience, Daniel 9:24-27 does not need to be hung off of any other scriptural reference to be fully understood. I know that we all would like to know the precise day and time that is being spoken about in these four verses, but the time separation of each of the five independent prophecies in these four verses, is not as important as some would like us to believe. It is my view that Daniel 9:26b is coming to its determined conclusion in our near future, but it seems that few are ready for that event yet, even though we have been forewarned about it.

I believe that it is time for us in this thread to let go and allow God to do His work in bringing understanding to us all.

If your nose has been made bloody, then let it go and let God take control of our respective lives so that we are not acting God like in forcing our ideas onto others.

Shalom

PS: - If we have grandchildren, then we will have probably heard the song from Frozen, "Let it go, let it go . . ." Let us see if we can do just that here.​

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

This is one of the most precise English translations of the 70 Weeks Prophecy you will come across. No English translation reads this way. No English translation has translated the Hebrew text properly.

[Daniel 9:24-27 based on ESV text but translates much more accurately the Hebrew text]
Removed capitals. Removed punctuation. Each "and" starts a new thought. Combined "and" where they are similar items. Some words replaced with more precise words.

[Purpose]
"seventy weeks are decreed concerning your people and your holy city to finish the transgression
and to put an end to sin
and to atone for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal both vision and prophet
and to anoint holy holies

[7 Weeks]
and know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word concerning to return to and build jerusalem until anointed one prince [there shall be] seven weeks

[62 Weeks]
and sixty-two weeks will be returned to and will be rebuilt with wide flat spaces and upright sections even in a troubled times

[After]
and after the sixty-two weeks an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing
and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary
and its end shall come with a flood
and to the end there shall be war
desolations are decreed.

[1 Week]
and he will confirm, re-enable covenant with many for one week
and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and grain offering
and on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate
and until the complete destruction and the decisive decision is poured out on the desolator."

 

[Phoneman777]

My expertise? 45 years of study. Degree in Religious Studies. And a logical and truth seeking mind. I go where the evidence leads. How about you? What denomination and church traditions are you tied to?
I don't automatically have a closed mind to everything and am not threatened when ignorant and arrogant people spout falsehoods using some supposed expert they quickly searched on g**gle to try and bash some one over the head with.

The truth is not impressed by decades of learning or put off by the lack thereof - it needs merely to be kept pure and carried forth by those willing to do so.

The decrees of Cyrus and Darius are too general to meet the specifications laid forth by Gabriel - only the decree of Artaxerxes fits the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 KJV.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

The truth is not impressed by decades of learning or put off by the lack thereof - it needs merely to be kept pure and carried forth by those willing to do so.

The decrees of Cyrus and Darius are too general to meet the specifications laid forth by Gabriel - only the decree of Artaxerxes fits the prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 KJV.

Which decree by Artaxerxes? Ezra talks about the one in 457 BC. Nehemiah about the one in 445 BC. Both have been very clearly refuted.

445 BC

Why do Dispies count Daniels 'weeks' from Artaxerxes 20th year?

Admittedly, the twentieth-year start point for Daniel’s 70 weeks has had its supporters. Their problem though, is that a count of 483 years (69 x 7) from 444 BC comes to AD 40, a date which arrives well after Jesus died. So, proponents of the 444 BC terminus a quo resort to various 'short-year'...

www.christianityboard.com

457 BC
This decree had nothing to do with rebuilding Jerusalem.
[Ezr 7:27 LSB] 27 Blessed be Yahweh, the God of our fathers, who has put [such a thing] as this in the king's heart, to beautify the house of Yahweh which is in Jerusalem,

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I knew you'd make this about how much better you are and some super duper louper. You people always devolved into mocking and ridicule and bashing. Just not interested in the least your kind of childish behaviour.

Well you are wrong again ! You wrote about your deeds, so I simply showed you mine.

I have seen you have ignored dealing with the fact that you called Darius/Artaxerxes/Cyrus three kings and not the one he was! It makes your research highly suspect.

Please show me the post where I mocked or ridiculed you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I knew you'd make this about how much better you are and some super duper louper. You people always devolved into mocking and ridicule and bashing. Just not interested in the least your kind of childish behaviour.

BTW who are the "you people"?