Can a demon be saved?

[us2are1]

I see. And you get this essoteric knowledge from... where? Oh, right, the book of Enoch. I recommend sticking to the Bible for God's truths, myself.

I did stick to the bible. The book of Enoch is part of the bible.

Tell me brother James do you believe this scripture? 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth;
If so I reccomend that you ask God for His Spirit.

 

[Brother James]

Well, since we don't see eye to eye on the canon of scripture, it would be difficult to share much understanding with each other about what a disputed writing means or doesn't mean. I will not presume that you do not know God or have His Spirit. I would ask for the same respect from you and we can agree to disagree on who demons are.

 

[us2are1]

14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."
16These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage.
17 But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ:
18 how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts.
19These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.

34 Then Peter said, Truly, I see clearly that God is no respecter of persons:

 

[Brother James]

This seems to have some how been a response to me, though your meaning is not clear. Could you clarify. Rather than assuming that you have judged me as someone without God's Spirit, I would prefer to ask you to clarify because I can't imagine you would actually do that.

 

[rockytopva]

Demons have no interest in salvation.

 

[jerzy]

The translators of all the bibles I have translate "angels". On what basis do you disagree?

The word has few meanings. The context of the text doesn’t warrant use of any in particular & the overall scriptures context which never mentions a fallen angel Satan or devil.

Your imagination if not enough to contest with God’s word.

The only rebellion referred to is that of Levite Korah and his “angels”.

Re 12:3 explains it provided one knows who has seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

What does that have to do with my comment, to which you seem to have reacted so strongly to? You asked one question, "Who said there are fallen angels" and I answered you. If you have some other point to make, why not just make it? You seem to be playing some sort of game.

You forgot what you said:

The only way I can imagine him having angels if for angels to have rebelled.

The demons are the spirits of the bastard children of the watchers.

Did you get this from God’s word or from fable peddlers?

You don’t know the scriptures but use Jude 1:6, 2 Peter 2:4 and Genesis 6:1-2 as translated thinking that it proves your point.

The book of Enoch is part of the bible.

I like the part about winds.

Demons have no interest in salvation.

Who are they? Where they come from?

 

[Brother James]

Because I used the "word" imagine, you characterize me as contesting God's word with my imagination. That's just a nasty thing to do in a conversation. Is is certainly far from respectful discussion.

I will add you to the growing list of people on this particular site that I have no interest in having discussions with. I find it better to avoid people who engage in nonsense to put others "in their place" and manipulate people's words against them. I will seek people who want to engage in beneficial respectful debate and discussion. Best wishes to you.

 

[jerzy]

Because I used the "word" imagine, you characterize me as contesting God's word with my imagination. That's just a nasty thing to do in a conversation. Is is certainly far from respectful discussion.

I will add you to the growing list of people on this particular site that I have no interest in having discussions with. I find it better to avoid people who engage in nonsense to put others "in their place" and manipulate people's words against them. I will seek people who want to engage in beneficial respectful debate and discussion. Best wishes to you.

I merely pointed to you "imagine" statement (below) failing to show written that there is a fallen angel Satan and in contradiction of God's word like Mt 16:22-23.

"The only way I can imagine him having angels if for angels to have rebelled".

I "imagine" that you found proving your story too difficult especially when referred to Re 12:3.

Anyway, I don't mean harm to anybody and if you found my sentence offensive, it wasn't desired to be so and I apologise.

Please bear in mind that English is not my mother tongue & I self toughed at an advanced age.

Sorry again.

 

[Angelina]

Salvation [death on the cross and resurrection] was made available to those who are of flesh and blood not to Angels. If salvation is not available to Angels because they are not flesh and blood...it stands to reason that this salvation is also not available to demons....
Hebrews 2
[sup]14 [/sup]Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, [sup]15 [/sup]and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. [sup]16 [/sup]For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. [sup]17 [/sup]Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

Shalom!!!

 

[martinlawrencescott]

So I guess what you're saying Axehead, is if there was a period of grace for demons to be saved or repent which is possible because of the way God works, it has already passed and whatever free will they had to choose is lost?

I'm trying to relate that to our experience as Christians since its the same God who judges us and our free will to choose him is given now, but how long do we keep it?

 

[Axehead]

Salvation [death on the cross and resurrection] was made available to those who are of flesh and blood not to Angels. If salvation is not available to Angels because they are not flesh and blood...it stands to reason that this salvation is also not available to demons....
Hebrews 2
[sup]14 [/sup]Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, [sup]15 [/sup]and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. [sup]16 [/sup]For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. [sup]17 [/sup]Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

Shalom!!!

Amen, Angelina. Salvation only comes in the Body to those who have not yet left this life. The Bible is clear that "after death, the judgement." Salvation came through a Body to those that are alive, in a body.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Maybe another reason why demons seek for a body to inhabit is they are deceived in thinking they may get saved. But, I don't really seriously think that. I think they are driven to destroy and there is no repentance or Godly sorrow found in them. They know that God has judged them and there is no way back. "Even the demons believe", yet they cannot exercise true faith. The faith that can ever hope to produce divine fruit. They dwelt in the presence of God, so how can they walk by faith and not by sight?

Axehead

 

[MTPockets]

Amen, Angelina. Salvation only comes in the Body to those who have not yet left this life. The Bible is clear that "after death, the judgement." Salvation came through a Body to those that are alive, in a body.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Maybe another reason why demons seek for a body to inhabit is they are deceived in thinking they may get saved. But, I don't really seriously think that. I think they are driven to destroy and there is no repentance or Godly sorrow found in them. They know that God has judged them and there is no way back. "Even the demons believe", yet they cannot exercise true faith. The faith that can ever hope to produce divine fruit. They dwelt in the presence of God, so how can they walk by faith and not by sight?

Axehead

Hi! 'Axehead'
In my opinion, the question about whether a demon is eligible to be redeemed cannot be answered without first having a proper understanding about the eternal plan and intents of God towards His creation ... from the beginning of time.
Knowing the answer to that will allow everyone to answer the following three questions:
What is an angel?
Why were they created and what are their heavenly and earthly functions?
What are the meanings of their hierarchy?
It remains very difficult to comprehend the existence of angels and their works/purposes unless we can identify them and their functions .... eg: the angel of Death and the angel of the Church ... it is said of Jesus, that He Himself has His own angel.
It's not for nothing that our Bible plainly invites Christians to exercise their ability to speak the language of both men and angels.
I'd be happy to volunteer some preliminary answers / opinion to these questions if anyone might think it a worthwhile effort.

 

[Groundzero]

Now, this is something that I'm interested to find out everyones knowledge or revelation in.

But all I ask is, please, before you respond, give the question a minute to soak into your mind. Do away with the automatic, absolutely not, and question all angles.

So the question is this. Can a demon (an angel of satan) be saved?
Say if by some out there chance, a long shot if you will, the demon realised the mistake of being on the wrong side and repented, asked our God and father, for forgiveness, could they be forgiven.

And please, i understand that demons are ruled by evil but frankly I'm tired of people looking at the spiritual world like angels play harps all day, demons have pointy tails, and they all have no choice or opinion of their own. So like i said, open mindedness.

I don't know too much about angels and demons, but they do have a choice, but unlike humans, they don't get a second-chance. Demons, fallen angels, have seen God's glory. They know God's plan for them, and have a choice to obey or disobey. Unlike humans however, as soon as they make the choice, they will reap the consequences, and once they've chosen, the results are irreversible.

 

[us2are1]

The demons are the spirits of the bastard children of the watchers. They were the giants who had started eating men in the days of Noah. Their bodies are already dead but their spirits can not die. The Demons can not be saved because it is a judgement that God has given against their fathers the watchers. The watchers have been buried alive in the desert in the middle east now for thousands of years awaiting the final judgement of God at the very End.

Jude 1
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;

2 Peter 2
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;

Genesis 6
1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

 

[Angelina]

1 Peter 1
[sup]8 [/sup]whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, [sup]9 [/sup]receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.
[sup]10 [/sup]Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, [sup]11 [/sup]searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. [sup]12 [/sup]To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into.

Blessings!!!

 

[aspen]

Of course we cannot know, but as a speculation, I would say no. A demon cannot be saved because his heart has been hardened beyond redemption. As a part of creation, he is broken.