The truth. The facts.

[jerzy]

May God bless all who seek the truth.

Hi.

I am a new here and don’t intend stepping on anybody’s tows but am interested in the truth and facts.

So let me begin with the most obvious points but most radically rejected by Christians:

1. Jesus asks the Father to sanctify his followers by the truth or by the Father’s word Joh 17:17.
   
2. What the Father said through His prophets, His anointed man Jesus and through the apostles is the truth Jn12:47-50, 2Pe 1:21.
   
3. God forbade removing or adding to His word even a dot.

A.

• God does His works by the word which proceeds out off His mouth Isa 55:11, Ps 33:6+9.
• God sworn to King David with an oath that He will set up his seed which shall proceed out of his bowels, and establish his kingdom and the throne of his kingdom for ever 2Sam 7:12.

• God fulfilled His oath Ac 2:30, Ac 13:23.

B.

• God foretold to teach him in order to make him fit for the work Isa 11:1-3, Isa 42:1.
• God placed world’s sins upon His servant Isa 53.

C.
- John testifies that the word of God or what God foretold was fulfilled Jn 1:
- Paul confirms that God reconciled His anointed servant’s followers to Himself 2Cor 5:18.
D.
- Jesus testifies that the eternal life is for those who know the Father the only true God and His
anointed Jn 17:3 whom He made Lord and Christ Ac 2:36
- Paul follows that to the followers of the anointed the Father is the one God and the anointed is
their Lord Jesus Christ 1Cor 8:6.
- Almost all epistles open with grace and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
- Paul warns that those preaching different gospel are accursed Gal 1:8-9.
E.
- God clearly states that He kills and destroys Ge 6:7+13+17, De 32:39, Isa 45:7, Eze 14:13, Rom
1:18, Heb 12:29 to mention but few.
- God gave us ample record in the OT of how He deals with His adversaries and idolaters 1Cor
10:5-11.

Alas.

• Meddling with God’s word in endless differing and contradicting in some areas translations or Bibles trashing hundreds of proof texts and explaining them away is beyond my imagination.
• Man made himself other Gods besides the Father the only one true God.
• Entire phrases like Trinity God have been added to account for man made stories.
• Man made additions like the three heavenly witnesses in 1Jn 5:7 which is an example of crimes committed against God’s word.
• Man attributes God’s kingdom , power and glory to his stupid idol Satan who, he says, is a fallen angel.

God continues killing and destroying His adversaries and idolaters with escalating wrath but man has no idea who and why does it all.

Let me point to the WW 2 which was created by the Trinitarians whereby the Trinitarians butchered their own brothers by millions.

Hmmmm!!!!

Can somebody explain what is wrong here?

 

[Strat]

We live in apostate times with piuos pew warmers with quivering lips wimpering about "love" seeking acceptence and popularity and ignoring what God has told us about himself....God is love but he is also judgement,he is patient and long suffering but he will judge the stiff necked who refuse to repent.

 

[jerzy]

Strat

The Father, the LORD of heaven and earth Mt 11:25 does as He pleases in His Kingdom to fulfil what He foretold.

Not in vane He said this through Jesus:

Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?​

Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.​

Alas, Christians don’t pay attention to God’s word anymore. They say that their stupid idol, a fallen angel Satan, does all this “evil” things. They care less about what God said in De 28 and what He did throughout the OT to those who turned their backs upon Him.​

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Can somebody explain what is wrong here?

Yes .... by using your own words below .... you are .......

Meddling with God’s word in endless differing and contradicting in some areas translations or Bibles trashing hundreds of proof texts and explaining them away .

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Besides ..... What is with all the new thread dumps here on your first day ???? Or are you simply spouting from your own soapbox ..... or did you run out of followers on the other forums??

you are using the very same tactics the cults and false teachers use .... first you declare the word is beyond question .... then proceed to carefully select verses from all over the bible to build a doctrine on your own personal pre-conceived notions

That is not proper bible study. never has been

Best wishes in your studies.

 

[williemac]

Strat

The Father, the LORD of heaven and earth Mt 11:25 does as He pleases in His Kingdom to fulfil what He foretold.

Not in vane He said this through Jesus:

Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?​

Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.​

Alas, Christians don’t pay attention to God’s word anymore. They say that their stupid idol, a fallen angel Satan, does all this “evil” things. They care less about what God said in De 28 and what He did throughout the OT to those who turned their backs upon Him.​

Are you saying this about all christians, some christians, or just the ones you don't agree with? But here is a little FYI for you. I have never seen any translation with the word trinity in it, Therefore no one has added that word to the word. What they have done and are doing is describing what they see in the bible using their own words, just as we all do. As well, it happens that most will insist that God is sovereign, but the bible does not say that. It does not use that word about God. What He is more concerned with is that He is properly represented to the world. But He knows those who are his willful enemies and those who are just ignorant or decieved. Jesus once declared.." forgive them for they know not what they do". This reveals God's heart in the matter of false doctrine. I would be careful if I were you, about declaring and condemning innocent people as enemies of God.

As far as His wrath goes, maybe you might want to study just what the sacrifice of Jesus actually accomplished for humanity. He is no longer in the business of killing men as long as we are in this age of grace. I have seen some declare that 9/11 was God's judgment. Hope you are not one of these who do. In that attack, the victims were of many religions, denominations, and non religions. So now we are to believe that God's judgmnent is like the proverbial shotgun which produces collateral damge? He cannot judge without some friendly fire casualties? I cannot believe just how gruesome a God is believed in and presented to the world by some zealous followers who are obviously misled and likely out of their calling!

 

[jerzy]

Yes .... by using your own words below .... you are .......

Could you offer a single proof text in support of your accusation?

Besides ..... What is with all the new thread dumps here on your first day ???? Or are you simply spouting from your own soapbox ..... or did you run out of followers on the other forums??

You don't seem to like hundreds of proof texts no the historical facts.

you are using the very same tactics the cults and false teachers use .... first you declare the word is beyond question .... then proceed to carefully select verses from all over the bible to build a doctrine on your own personal pre-conceived notions

Do you mean the cults alike Jesus' followers?

Don't you have a proof text to offer instead of vane rhetoric?

That is not proper bible study. never has been

Well, my Lord Jesus Christ must be wrong.

Sorry to find it out that quoting from hundreds of proof texts is wrong thing to do.

Are you saying this about all christians, some christians, or just the ones you don't agree with?

Let's the Lord answer this question:

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What they have done and are doing is describing what they see in the bible using their own words, just as we all do.

Why not saying "it is written so and so"?

I would be careful if I were you, about declaring and condemning innocent people as enemies of God.

Since when wolfs in sheep skin are innocent?

As far as His wrath goes, maybe you might want to study just what the sacrifice of Jesus actually accomplished for humanity.

I did it for over 40 years of which at least a dozen is on a full time basis 16-18 hours a day for many years.

He is no longer in the business of killing men as long as we are in this age of grace.

Some are but the rest is not.

I have seen some declare that 9/11 was God's judgment.

Did you read "The Harbinger"?

Hope you are not one of these who do.

I hope you get to know God and His power.

In that attack, the victims were of many religions, denominations, and non religions. So now we are to believe that God's judgmnent is like the proverbial shotgun which produces collateral damge? He cannot judge without some friendly fire casualties? I cannot believe just how gruesome a God is believed in and presented to the world by some zealous followers who are obviously misled and likely out of their calling!

They also don't preach what God did in Ge 6, do they?

They also don't preach what 1Cor 10:5-11 means, do they?