"The Body of this Death" -NC

[Netchaplain]

The above title is in reference to what Paul termed in the preceding chapter as “the body of sin” (Rom 6:6), having all its “members” (Col 3:5) within the Adamic nature and is the cause of both physical and spiritual death, which originated from Adams disobedience in his covenant with God (Gen 2:7). The “Dichotomy” between the believer’s new nature and the old is evidenced not only in Romans seven but also in Galatians 5:17. Paul’s contemplation of this internal conflict wasn’t just mere thought but an awareness of the co-existence of two natures or “laws”.

The deliverance Paul speaks of in Romans 7:24 is, not from sin itself, but from the condemnation of sin (8:1); freedom “from the law of sin and death” (v 2). Before Christ, and after Adam broke his covenant, there was only one law -- the law of sin and death, which stipulates “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” (Eze 18:4, 20); which has been a perpetual law since Genesis 2:7 and will remain until Revelation 2:14.

Since Christ, a new law is in effect for the regenerate – “the law of the Spirit of life” (Rom 8:2).
This law “of life” is the only one to have ever procured eternal life because there is no other “law given which could have given life” (Gal 3:21). This new law has blotted “out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us . . . and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross” (Col 2:14).

 

[Webers_Home]

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The grammatical tense of "who shall deliver me" is future. In other words:
Paul had not yet been liberated from the body of this death at the time of his
writing Rom 7:9-25 but rather, anticipated liberation sometime in the future.

That's actually pretty good news because I would hate to think that believers
have to struggle with evil thoughts and impulses even up in heaven.

The dead of Rev 20:11-15 are probably labeled "dead" because they won't
be liberated from their bodies of death but will have to accompany them into
the reservoir of liquefied flame to die all over again a second time; which
you'd think would solve the problem, but according to Dan 12:2 and John
5:29, there's only one resurrection allotted per person; so nobody is coming
back from the reservoir with a body of life because they will have used up
their one resurrection to face justice at the Great White Throne.

Buen Camino
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[rand]

I agree, but I'm not sure I believe it the same way you do. The law is still a valid covenant and it will continue to be until until we are with Him for eternity--maybe even longer??? However, He has offered us a better covenant, a covenant of grace. If we are in agreement with the enemy and chose to stay under the law (to whatever degree), then sin will condemn and make us sick in our spirit. Our physical bodies will in turn reflect what is going on in our soul. If we are not under the law but are under grace, our spirit is not condemned an it will quicken our mortal bodies (Romans 8:11)

This is why we are to repent (change our way of thinking) from a law mentality to a grace mentality and never ever mix the two (new wine and old wineskin). The law kills but the spirit gives life. Who ever tries to be justified by the law is still under the curse of the law (Gal 3:10). Look at Deut Chapter 28 and see all the curses there are for failing to keep all the law perfectly, and then we should see how many of those are happeining in our life right now.

Jesus died to deliver us from the power of Satan, and the law is Satan's power: the law which God nailed to the tree. Going back under the law is giving Satan back his arms against us. So don't do that--not a good idea.

 

[Webers_Home]

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When I was a young man of 24 years back in 1968; I began to think
seriously about my future as regards heaven and hell. I reasoned that even
if I were to manage to be a really good boy from then on until the day of my
death, I seriously doubt I could keep it up for eternity. Sooner or later I
would tire of so much self control and show my true colors; so I concluded
that heaven was too far out of reach for someone like me. I thought to
myself: If only I could please God just as naturally as I displease Him; that
would be perfect.

I've always known that that this body of death is disposable and can be
exchanged for a body of life. However; immortality would be quite useless
for heavenly purposes unless the package included incorruption; in other
words: unless along with the inability to die came also the inability to sin;
and it does.

†. 1Cor 15:53-54 . . For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this
mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on
incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be
brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory.

That was pretty good news for a young guy who had given up on the
possibility of heaven and resigned himself to spending eternity in hell.

Buen Camino
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[Axehead]

The above title is in reference to what Paul termed in the preceding chapter as “the body of sin” (Rom 6:6), having all its “members” (Col 3:5) within the Adamic nature and is the cause of both physical and spiritual death, which originated from Adams disobedience in his covenant with God (Gen 2:7). The “Dichotomy” between the believer’s new nature and the old is evidenced not only in Romans seven but also in Galatians 5:17. Paul’s contemplation of this internal conflict wasn’t just mere thought but an awareness of the co-existence of two natures or “laws”.

The deliverance Paul speaks of in Romans 7:24 is, not from sin itself, but from the condemnation of sin (8:1); freedom “from the law of sin and death” (v 2). Before Christ, and after Adam broke his covenant, there was only one law -- the law of sin and death, which stipulates “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” (Eze 18:4, 20); which has been a perpetual law since Genesis 2:7 and will remain until Revelation 2:14.

Since Christ, a new law is in effect for the regenerate – “the law of the Spirit of life” (Rom 8:2).

What does "regenerate" mean to you?

 

[Netchaplain]

"By the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5).

Generate; born. Regenerate; born again.

Regeneration is a single occurrence by where the Father, through the Spirit, applies the death and life of His Son to an individual.

 

[Axehead]

"By the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5).

Generate; born. Regenerate; born again.

Regeneration is a single occurrence by where the Father, through the Spirit, applies the death and life of His Son to an individual.

And what is happening to the heart of that individual? What is happening regarding their spiritual makeup?

 

[Netchaplain]

And what is happening to the heart of that individual? What is happening regarding their spiritual makeup?

A new nature is added along with the old nature and by the Spirit the regenerate lives by the new nature more than the old; "For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would" (Gal 5:17).

 

[veteran]

But is that new nature really a part of our flesh body? No, and we are to understand it is not, for we put off these flesh bodies at death, or at Christ's coming, whichever occurs first. It is not the flesh body that is still subject to the "second death" after Christ's return.

 

[us2are1]

The above title is in reference to what Paul termed in the preceding chapter as “the body of sin” (Rom 6:6), having all its “members” (Col 3:5) within the Adamic nature and is the cause of both physical and spiritual death, which originated from Adams disobedience in his covenant with God (Gen 2:7). The “Dichotomy” between the believer’s new nature and the old is evidenced not only in Romans seven but also in Galatians 5:17. Paul’s contemplation of this internal conflict wasn’t just mere thought but an awareness of the co-existence of two natures or “laws”.

The deliverance Paul speaks of in Romans 7:24 is, not from sin itself, but from the condemnation of sin (8:1); freedom “from the law of sin and death” (v 2). Before Christ, and after Adam broke his covenant, there was only one law -- the law of sin and death, which stipulates “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” (Eze 18:4, 20); which has been a perpetual law since Genesis 2:7 and will remain until Revelation 2:14.

Since Christ, a new law is in effect for the regenerate – “the law of the Spirit of life” (Rom 8:2).
This law “of life” is the only one to have ever procured eternal life because there is no other “law given which could have given life” (Gal 3:21). This new law has blotted “out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us . . . and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross” (Col 2:14).

It is allot simpler than that. The New Spirit hates this corruptible flesh and its habits. Eating drinking sleeping tired hurting etc.

Decay.