Tucker Carlson in Moscow to interview Vladimir Putin

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Mr E

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What does justify peace?

You may not realize it but speaking in the negative does not help.

I’m not even asking what justifies war. I’m taking war as the default position. What could possibly justify peace?

Rather than condemn Russia, condemn the West for provoking the Bear then claiming victim status!

Did you watch the vid with Vance? You spoke about innocent Ukrainian women and children. Do you think the decision to keep fighting is NOT killing innocent Ukrainian women and children? About 400K Ukranians have died. Only the war lords benefit from this - not the common man.

Not sure if you've seen it-- but there is a horribly sad video of a "soldier" with Down's Syndrome being forced-marched by his Ukrainian comrades-- mocked and abused within his own unit.... Of course, he was among those "fighting age" men conscripted to go fight those evil Russians.

Meanwhile there is "the Monaco Battalion." Dozens of wealthy Ukrainians-- mostly petrol-rich families- fled the country to the French Riviera, so that their fighting-age men could dodge the draft. Same goes for Poland-- they can't keep luxury items on the shelves because of the huge influx of wealthy Ukrainians, content to vacation and ride-out the conflict, without ever risking their sons.

It's disgusting.

Ukraine is projected to suffer the greatest loss of high net worth individuals (HNWIs) as a proportion of its population, with 2,800 millionaires (or 42% of all HNWIs in Ukraine) expected to have left the country by the end of the year. (2022)

The world’s wealthy have traditionally relocated to the US and the UK but Henley said the United Arab Emirates is expected to overtake them as the No 1 destination for millionaire emigrants. “UK has lost its wealth hub crown, and the US is fading fast as a magnet for the world’s wealthy, with the UAE expected to overtake it by attracting the largest net inflows of millionaires globally in 2022,” Henley said in its report, which is based on “systematically tracking international private wealth migration trends”.
 

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Even among Christians, proving Spiritual discernment remains elusive.

Would you expect anything different in the end times where Jesus said many would be deceived by many false teachers??? (Math 24)


You may not realize it but speaking in the negative does not help.

God's warnings come across to many as being negative... when one accpets God's warnings and changes accordingly, those warnings are very positive at they enable us to escape snares (traps) of the devil


Except that he is also a cold blooded murderer and habitual liar..?

Yep, the Russian Orthodox are not different than the catholics, the calvinists, and the lutherns (reformed theology) in that they think it's OK to murder people in support of their religious beliefs

When one studies history a little they will see lots of incidents where catholics and reformed theology peoples be whackin those that don't follow their false religious doctrine proving these people are being led by the devil
 

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Except that he is also a cold blooded murderer and habitual liar..? There is no-one righteous in this situation, no not one.......or in any situation regarding the concerns of a divided world for that matter. As the bible says, we just shouldn't get too caught up and entangled in these things if we want to please our Commanding Officer. I'm learning to leave these things to our sovereign God who is judging and ruling in His manifold wisdom that I can't begin to fathom, and is ultimately leading everything to its final conclusion.
To the final conclusion? What's that mean? God's planning it all? Predestined?
 

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Well, I do agree. Putin did bring up some truths, that the Elites control the mainstream media - which feeds us lies.
The present government of the USA is run by thieves and liars.
That said, I would not trust Putin, who is blatantly a murderer. He was evasive, not answering questions as if all classified conversations between heads of state was off limits. He controlled the interview. We didn't need a history lesson going back 1000 years - just the last hundred would have been enough.
Listen, history is just filled with empires gaining control of territories and taking what they want, they all did that. To the Victor goes the spoils. We took the Americas. God owns everything anyways.
So, Ukraine has valuable land, raw materials, wealth that Russia wants. I am not doubtful that former agreements with Russia were just trashed by countries/ Nato and the USA.
We are financing this war, so why would he want to negotiate anything with Biden or even let one prisoner go? That was Tucker's plea? Lol. I do like Tucker but he seemed out of sorts - hisbhead was spinning.Tens of thousands of deaths and he is asking for the release of one person? Tucker was weak ... trying to be polite and respectful with a guy who murders anyone who gets in his way. Putin put on a good show, appeared to be friendly, cordial, a gentlemen - and lokely many bought that! He was talking about his faith, Christianity! Really? As he targets hospitals, kills civilians, women and children, 500k killednor wounded ... and he is doing that why? Because of the threat that Ukraine will join Nato ... surround Russia with bases and then go after them?
Another revealing comment was that he didn't think God had anything to do with what was going on, in others words Henis not Sovereign and it is our will that shapes reality - which is not a Christian perspective at all. It's sort of like the Mafia leaders who went to church on Sunday, asked for the Priest's blessings, then murdered, and lived lives of crime for the rest of the week.
Putin did say if we stopped funding/helping Ukraine, it could be over next week.

Don't really trust Zelenskyy either. We should stop funding their war and instead secure our borders and let them settle their own battles.
True. It's like the Clinton legacy in America. Putin's enemies seem to die.
 
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You spoke about innocent Ukrainian women and children. Do you think the decision to keep fighting is NOT killing innocent Ukrainian women and children? About 400K Ukranians have died.
Just give up? Really? I guess Britian should have done the same thing inWW2? How about the Soviets when Germany invaded them? George Washington should have just given up?

Oh goodness.......
 

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Yes I think there's a big difference between humanitarian relief and military involvement. But I honestly dont feel qualified to be on one side or the other in this in any certain way....however, I wouldn't be surprised if it is all just corruption...follow the money trail and find out who benefits from this war monetarily... war is big business....and/or to make any paper trail of their questionable business dealings in the Ukraine disappear in the fog of war and bombs. Or am I just being cynical? This world is so unspeakably evil, nothing but nothing surprises me any more. Horrifies me yes, but not too surprised. Can't wait for the Lord to come back and end all this wickedness.
Nope. You are not being cynical. Follow the money.....:vgood:
 

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Just give up? Really? I guess Britian should have done the same thing inWW2? How about the Soviets when Germany invaded them? George Washington should have just given up?

Oh goodness.......
Did you just ignore 400K Ukranians have already died? Why keep fighting?

The Germans gave up in WW2 and the British gave up in America's War of Independence. Most conflicts end with a negotiated settlement. Some call it a Peace Treaty.

Russia is seeking peace with the West, specifically with expansionist NATO, even more than Ukraine.

I know your Greek is rusty but some Jewish Carpenter once said Blessed is the Peace Makers. He did not say shame on those who just give up war!! :mad:
 
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What does justify peace?

You may not realize it but speaking in the negative does not help.

I’m not even asking what justifies war. I’m taking war as the default position. What could possibly justify peace?

Rather than condemn Russia, condemn the West for provoking the Bear then claiming victim status! Said differently, you are saying the reaction is wrong while giving the provocation a moral condemnation pass.

Did you watch the vid with Vance? You spoke about innocent Ukrainian women and children. Do you think the decision to keep fighting is NOT killing innocent Ukrainian women and children? About 400K Ukranians have died. Only the war lords benefit from this - not the common man.
The thing lacking in pacifists consciousness is, for peace to occur one or both sides in a conflict would have to concede the fight. And by that token,defeat.

They would have to concede their respective dead fighters died for nothing to be achieved, after engaging in the battle so to gain a victory of conquest for something.

Never in the history of recorded civilization has there been world peace.Tete never shall be. Because at this stage of our collective being, our human nature knows not peace.

Passivism therefore isn't a higher consciousness. Rather, it is a concession to defeat. Because not even ones life is worth fighting to defend.
 

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Not sure what you find funny about the justification for peace but it reveals you to be a war monger.
To the contrary. I think their laughter,though dismissive toward your points,is reactionary. This due to the statement you made about Russia wants peace with the West and NATO, (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) , even more than with Ukraine.

That was an uninformed statement. Having no relativity whatsoever with Russia's actual agenda.
 
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Tucker Carlson in Moscow to interview Vladimir Putin

Kudos to Carlson, taking the initiative and approach of speaking WITH Putin…
Instead of speaking About Putin and then getting on to media news of who is wearing what and dating whom!!
 
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Not sure what you find funny about the justification for peace but it reveals you to be a war monger.
:jest::Laughingoutloud::jest::Laughingoutloud::jest::Laughingoutloud::jest::Laughingoutloud::jest::Laughingoutloud::jest::Laughingoutloud::jest::Laughingoutloud:

How did you figure out I was a war monger?

Was it post #196 that led your sharp detective mind to that conclusion?
 

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Did you just ignore 400K Ukranians have already died? Why keep fighting?

The Germans gave up in WW2 and the British gave up in America's War of Independence. Most conflicts end with a negotiated settlement. Some call it a Peace Treaty.

Russia is seeking peace with the West, specifically with expansionist NATO, even more than Ukraine.

I know your Greek is rusty but some Jewish Carpenter once said Blessed is the Peace Makers. He did not say shame on those who just give up war!! :mad:
Are you going to answer the questions or continue to dodge and bloviate:

Just give up? Really? I guess Britian should have done the same thing inWW2? How about the Soviets when Germany invaded them? George Washington should have just given up?

Patient Mary
 

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Did you just ignore 400K Ukranians have already died? Why keep fighting?

The Germans gave up in WW2 and the British gave up in America's War of Independence. Most conflicts end with a negotiated settlement. Some call it a Peace Treaty.

Russia is seeking peace with the West, specifically with expansionist NATO, even more than Ukraine.

I know your Greek is rusty but some Jewish Carpenter once said Blessed is the Peace Makers. He did not say shame on those who just give up war!! :mad:
Think about what you are saying Wrongler.

You ask why keep fighting and then use Germany giving up in WW2 as an example supporting your idea that Ukraine should give up. You don't even realize it DESTROYS your "just give up" mentality. Why keep fighting? Soooooo that someday the Russians will give up JUST LIKE GERMANY DID!!! Why keep fighting? So that someday the Russians will give up JUST LIKE BRITIAN DID!!

You put the fun in funny.....