God's choice For President

[biggandyy]

I heard a very troubling statistic; nearly 2 million "christians" officially voted for Jesus Christ for President of the United States. Some of you may think, "Kudos! That's voting for your conscience."

But I want you to think of something; the Lord raises up whom He will raise and He set before us two choices, Romney and Obama. Putting aside whatever differences there are between the two, how dare you tell the Lord Almighty that the choices He sovereignly set before you weren't good enough for you and cast your vote for your Saviour and Creator in such a flippant and cavalier way?

Have you no recognition of just who Christ is??? Have you no inkling of the Glory and Majesty and Holiness of God Almighty??? Rather than kudos, perhaps shame is the better word to describe those of you?

 

[lesjude]

I heard a very troubling statistic; nearly 2 million "christians" officially voted for Jesus Christ for President of the United States. Some of you may think, "Kudos! That's voting for your conscience."

But I want you to think of something; the Lord raises up whom He will raise and He set before us two choices, Romney and Obama. Putting aside whatever differences there are between the two, how dare you tell the Lord Almighty that the choices He sovereignly set before you weren't good enough for you and cast your vote for your Saviour and Creator in such a flippant and cavalier way?

Have you no recognition of just who Christ is??? Have you no inkling of the Glory and Majesty and Holiness of God Almighty??? Rather than kudos, perhaps shame is the better word to describe those of you?

The only flaw I see in this is that God chose President Obama by sovereign predestination before time began. God does not use the pagan humanism of democracy to select candidates or "winners", then react to man's carnal choices. If it is thus then He is not sovereign and therefore not God; however He is both.

 

[biggandyy]

You are confusing God's Will with His Sovereignty. There is a difference in perception.

 

[Strat]

Why are we making judgements about a man whom we do not know of. President Barack Obama has confessed to being a Christian and God had a hand in who won the election. President Barack Obama received the majority of African American evangelical Christian votes (of which I am apart off). We have never had this level of hate for prior presidents of this country!

Where have you been the past four years,please list the many things he has done for"African" Americans..i am just an Americvan so maybe i missed something....the message of your post is the race card and everybody is against Obama because he is black...a true white racist would vote for a white man no matter what he did or how bad things were because of the color of his skin...what is the unemployement rate among blacks ? among black teens ? and blacks vote for him anyway...what does that say ? you tell me ?...enlighten me,i choose to leave my country of origin out it.

 

[IanLC]

Im not arguing with anybo

Where have you been the past four years,please list the many things he has done for"African" Americans..i am just an Americvan so maybe i missed something....the message of your post is the race card and everybody is against Obama because he is black...a true white racist would vote for a white man no matter what he did or how bad things were because of the color of his skin...what is the unemployement rate among blacks ? among black teens ? and blacks vote for him anyway...what does that say ? you tell me ?...enlighten me,i choose to leave my country of origin out it.

No has not been the greatest president but that does not mean that God did not have a say in placing him in that position! Yes I am an African American and I voted for President Barack Obama! Its my vote and my right! That does not make me any less Christian than anybody else! And President Obama may not have received the majority of white evangelical christian votes but he received the majority of African American evangelical Christian votes!

 

[lesjude]

You are confusing God's Will with His Sovereignty. There is a difference in perception.

God's predestined plan which is His sovereign will are one and the same. He insures this by directing sinners by His providential control which structures their free will choices. He does not need to do this with his bride as they delight to do His will. When they do not know His perfect will as in the case of 'elections' He gives direction for intercession for His will to be done i.e. interceding to prevent fraud from influencing the election. Those prayers are predestined as well.

 

[Strat]

Im not arguing with anybo
No has not been the greatest president but that does not mean that God did not have a say in placing him in that position! Yes I am an African American and I voted for President Barack Obama! Its my vote and my right! That does not make me any less Christian than anybody else! And President Obama may not have received the majority of white evangelical christian votes but he received the majority of African American evangelical Christian votes!

Yes i understand,you are an...."African" American and voted for Obama..why bring God into it ? why not just say i voted for somebody who's skin color is the same as mine...did God want Obama in office because he wanted more partial birth Abortions ? more Homosexual marriages ? surely a "christian" such as yourself should be able to answer these questions quickly.....modern christianity...ain't it grand....you can do anything you want,support anything or anyone you want,live any way you want...all in "love" of course and still call yourself a christian...gotta love it.

 

[IanLC]

Sir do not question my faith! Because when you do that you step into judging territory and you would be wise not to speak against someone on their faith because you are not God! No I do not agree with abortions or homosexual marriage but people will make their ow decisions! Its not up to the church to determine peoples civil rights! Its our job to minister deliverance to those that are bound! God gives all of us free will! Yest they will have to pay for their sins if they do not repent, accept the Lord Jesus and recieve the Holy Ghost! Mitt Romney is of the cult of Mormonism and President Barack Obama may be shaky in his faith both will have to answer to God! Sir please do not question or challenge my faith if you do not know the price and the cost that Jesus paid for my salvation!
Blessings Sir!
Im very conservative and voice my opinions but I do not force them on others I allow them to make their own decisions! Holiness is the standard but people must choose and the church must minister!

 

[Strat]

President Obama was predestined for this office by God before He created the universe and knows him perfectly. I respectfully submit that a level of hate is there but other presidents were hated more. Christians need to pray for His protection however.

That is always the liberal proposition isn't it...support,admire respect...or hate....the liberal cannot tolerate disagreement or dissent....it must be immediarely marginalized...true tolerance for the veiws of others has no place for the liberal.

Sir do not question my faith! Because when you do that you step into judging territory and you would be wise not to speak against someone on their faith because you are not God! No I do not agree with abortions or homosexual marriage but people will make their ow decisions! Its not up to the church to determine peoples civil rights! Its our job to minister deliverance to those that are bound! God gives all of us free will! Yest they will have to pay for their sins if they do not repent, accept the Lord Jesus and recieve the Holy Ghost! Mitt Romney is of the cult of Mormonism and President Barack Obama may be shaky in his faith both will have to answer to God! Sir please do not question or challenge my faith if you do not know the price and the cost that Jesus paid for my salvation!
Blessings Sir!
Im very conservative and voice my opinions but I do not force them on others I allow them to make their own decisions! Holiness is the standard but people must choose and the church must minister!

I will question anything i choose to...there is nothing you can do about it,your assumption that i supported Romney because i didn't support Obama is very telling

 

[IanLC]

That is always the liberal proposition isn't it...support,admire respect...or hate....the liberal cannot tolerate disagreement or dissent....it must be immediarely marginalized...true tolerance for the veiws of others has no place for the liberal.




I will question anything i choose to...there is nothing you can do about it,your assumption that i supported Romney because i didn't support Obama is very telling

I NEVER asked who you voted for Sir! I stated who I voted for! You attacked my faith and belief in Jesus! Sir we shouldnt be arguing that is not becoming of Christ! We are united in the faith not our political parties! I do believe that God's sovereign will was played in the election of President Obama. You do not but that is your own belief!

 

[Strat]

I NEVER asked who you voted for Sir! I stated who I voted for! You attacked my faith and belief in Jesus! Sir we shouldnt be arguing that is not becoming of Christ! We are united in the faith not our political parties! I do believe that God's sovereign will was played in the election of President Obama. You do not but that is your own belief!

LOL....it's not becoming fo Christ to argue but it is becoming of Christ to support murder and perversion....thank you....sir...you gave me my laugh for the night....you accused everyone who disagrees with Obama of " hate" yet don't want to be questioned yourself...why not just say what you realy think....that anyone who doesn't support Obama is a racist

 

[lesjude]

I suggest a moderator lock this thread.

 

[Pelaides]

lesjude,

It's a waste of time dealing with people like strat and prism.
Republicans are very misled on the abortion issue. The last time the Supreme court voted on it 3 of the 5 'Republican' justices voted to uphold it!

This is avery good point,Like most politicians they tell you want you want to hear,then once elected they do nothing.
The republicans claim to be antiabortion,but they are pro war,how many inoccent women and children have been murdered while they were in office,with their bombing campaigns.Go figure

 

[Rex]

Strat just needs to set his sights a bit higher, you can not compare the two candidates and discover the wisdom of God. Even though many prominent teachers have compromised sound biblical truths for political gain in this election
This is not a plug for Obama or Dem its a warning, and you all know the truth or should.
It's a trap. The devils play ground It's like choosing Ahab or Jezebel; the fullness and way of the Lord is not found in ether.

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/16983-election-2012/#entry172521

 

[IanLC]

LOL....it's not becoming fo Christ to argue but it is becoming of Christ to support murder and perversion....thank you....sir...you gave me my laugh for the night....you accused everyone who disagrees with Obama of " hate" yet don't want to be questioned yourself...why not just say what you realy think....that anyone who doesn't support Obama is a racist

I do not support murder or perversion but if people choose that all I can do is minister the gospel to them and exemplify holiness myself! I never accused anyone who disagrees with the President with hate I just asked a simple question why is there so much hare for him? If we are not to hate why is there such an uproar of it? I know people that do not support President Obama and they are not racist but I would be foolish to not also believe that some people did not vote for him due to race. Being an African American my experience i this so called equal country are much different from yours being of the dominant culture. Im a minority I have experience racism and racism will always be ingrained in me due to my color of skin and the racism indoctrinated by this nation!

 

[Rex]

I'm no wise-man and don't claim to be a prophet but I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of those that removed Mormonism as a cult and told their flock to vote Gods values.

 

[THE Gypsy]

... I know people that do not support President Obama and they are not racist but I would be foolish to not also believe that some people did not vote for him due to race...

There are some that did not vote for Romney due to race. Racism exists, though I do not believe it rears its ugly head nearly as frequently as it used to. It not only exists towards Blacks but Hispanic, White, Native American, etc.

 

[Rex]

Let me do the math for you that are angry

+ If you are willing to extend grace to Romney because of his different Jesus
+ You must extend the same grace to Obama
= which leaves a sum of two, equal candidates from a christian perspective
1 It's a political choice
1 or it might be a racist choice.
1 or it might just be about money
---
3

No matter what that adds up to in your mind and heart it stills falls way short of Christ.
To use that math to promote or defend Christianity is foolishness

And please don't pull the law gun. The law never saved you and it will never save the lost.
The law saved us threw the perfect keeping of it in Christ.

examine your heart, you can't be angry for your faith or your Lord
That leaves your anger to these three

1 It's a political choice
2 it might just be about money
3 it might be a racist choice.

There is no holy ground here to stand on.

 

[Spirit Covenant]

I wonder how many Christians voted for a member and priest of one of the largest cults in the US using the carnal thought pattern of expediency. The citizens of His Kingdom doing this is pleasing to God?
White Evangelical
26% of voters

A strongly Republican group, these voters backed Romney, a Mormon, by a wider margin over Obama than they did in 2008 with John McCain running. 78% Mr Romney 21% for President Obama.

http://www.washingto....nal-breakdown/

God didn't have anything to do with electing a leader for the beast. The people who make up the body of the beast elected there own leader as they always have.

A false prophet has always been in charge.

 

[Groundzero]

You know, I would think that picking a leader would matter more about his passion for his country and his integrity, rather than his beliefs.

Obama has demonstrated, over his first four years, a shocking lack of interest in America itself, doing nothing but damage to it in every way possible.
That is why he should never have been elected again.

To state that war is no longer to do with numbers (reference his quip about horses and bayonets) is sheer lunacy. Was the Vietnam war really that long ago? Where the Vietcong humbled a vastly superior American force? Obama's 'brilliant' words sound alot like those stated before many wars, all's good. WE're fine.

Beware, those who think they stand, lest they fall. (and in some cases, they've already fallen, yet they think they stand)