I'm not talking about the renewing of the mind. Rather, making the choice to get your thoughts off yourself and onto God.
Or did you have a different question about the renewing of the mind?
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Or did you have a different question about the renewing of the mind?
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What's my opinion?
Personally I'm not too interested in anyone's opinions. I mean, to a point, but it's nothing like going with the words of Scripture.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Again I understand what you are saying, but, because it’s not the written word it sounds rather confusing.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I think this is well embodied in a song,
Turn your eyes upon Jesus
Look full in His wonderful face
And the things of earth will go strangely dim
In the light of His glory and grace
Hebrews 12:1-4 KJV
1) Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3) For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
4) Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Romans.. 12:2
2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
I'm asking you, what part do you object to that you consider to be "my opinion"? Do you mean the translation of hamartia, sin, in 2 Cor 5?
I encourage you to go deeper into God's Word. The Holy Spirit will NEVER contradict Himself, and in knowledge of the written word we guard from error, as in our minds we can be mistaken. I think we can sometimes think we are receiving from God, but if it contradicts His Word, it's not from Him.
If you don't wish to continue discussion I will respect that.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
We are in different levels of understanding.
I also encourage you to go deeper in the Spirit.
The Living Holy Spirit.
1When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4My message and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. Spiritual Wisdom (Ephesians 1:15–23) 6Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom—but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of the mysterious and hidden wisdom of God,a which He destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it. For if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”b 10But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.c 14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?”d But we have the mind of Christ. |
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When we have been unrighteous it is our heart's job to condemn us - our conscience if you will - in order to cause us to see our unrighteousness and turn back to God.
- 1 John 3:20
If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.
- 1 John 3:21
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Agree to disagree..I have been Born Again of imperishable seed.
A Born Again cannot go on sinning, because they have been Born of Gods seed.
A Born Again has the renewing of our minds.
God speaks to my spirit, relayed to my conscience...he doesn’t condemn my heart.he can’t indwell a sinner.
Romans.. 12:2
2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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In my experience it is part of growing and learning to find ourselves distanced from God - still a saint washed in the blood of the Lamb - but having done something that we are ashamed of and then we find ourselves not quite as close to God as we were a few days ago. As we look back we can often spot that act of unrighteousness, however small, and be remorseful and know it is us that for a moment turned away from the Father who never turns away.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Rockerduck
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Jesus is my friend and I tell Him everything. He is with me all the time. He knows our thoughts, sometimes I'll think something and He'll answer my prayer.
I like that RitaJanice posts Romans 8:35-39. those verses say it all. Nothing can separate us ever. You might not feel it, but Jesus is there and listening to you. You don't need a college degree to Love Jesus.
I like that RitaJanice posts Romans 8:35-39. those verses say it all. Nothing can separate us ever. You might not feel it, but Jesus is there and listening to you. You don't need a college degree to Love Jesus.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Romans 8:35-39
New International Version
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”[a]
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[b] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Where did I mention shame? If I did I've forgotten and did not intend to say that. I will read back over what I posted.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Absolutely. That is the point of my thread. But we ourselves can cause distance between ourselves and God. just as the prodigal son caused distance between himself and his father but they weren't separated.
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