The Modern Gospel

[Johann]

I am quoting Gods word ..we are not Born Again by sola scripture/written word...you cannot bear false witness like this... we are Born Again by Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit...by all means report.

The written word is not God.

We are Born Of The Spirit Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit...

You are gospel-less, misrepresenting Scriptures and goading members.

 

[Ritajanice]

How did I become righteous in the eyes of God?

That’s the question I asked of you?

What did Jesus say

What did paul say?

what does God say?

What is so confusing about us being made the righteousness of Christ through him (christ)?

does this confuse you?

Now your on your rant again, Sola scriptable? What does this mean

Once again evasion of my question.

 

[Ritajanice]

which is also called imputed righteousness

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes

yes I do. I think all of us have some truth.

I am in the truth thanks..I have been Born Again of imperishable seed, but, I am learning in the spirit and will continue to learn Gods truth in my spirit as I am a spirit child.

I will be forever learning until the day my body takes its last breath.

 

[Ritajanice]

You are gospel-less

Do you deny that we are Born Again by Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit?

Do you understand that the Holy Spirit is a Living Spirit and brings our spirit Alive in Christ?

How could he do such a supernatural act?

Who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children?

We are spirit children...Born Of The Spirit?

Born Again of a Living imperishable seed..the Living seed is the Holy Spirit...do you deny that?

Who brought your spirit Alive in Christ @Johann ? was it scripture...?

How did scripture make your spirit Born Again just by reading it?..taking it in to your intellect ?

 

[Johann]

Do you deny that we are Born Again by Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit?

Do you understand that the Holy Spirit is a Living Spirit and brings our spirit Alive in Christ?

How could he do such a supernatural act?

Who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children?

We are spirit children...Born Of The Spirit?

Born Again of a Living imperishable seed..the Living seed is the Holy Spirit...do you deny that?

Who brought your spirit Alive in Christ @Johann ? was it scripture...?

How did scripture make your spirit Born Again just by reading it?..taking it in to your intellect ?

The Holy Spirit bears witness to our spirit primarily through several means as outlined in Scripture:

Inner Conviction: The Holy Spirit prompts a deep inner conviction within believers that they are children of God. This conviction is not merely intellectual but a profound assurance that comes from the Spirit's presence within us (Romans 8:16).

Assurance of Salvation: The Spirit confirms our adoption as God's children by sealing us with Himself (Ephesians 1:13-14). This sealing is a guarantee or deposit, indicating our secure position in Christ.

Transformation: The presence of the Holy Spirit in our lives produces fruit that reflects our new identity in Christ (Galatians 5:22-23). As we grow in these Christlike qualities, it serves as ongoing evidence of the Spirit's work and our relationship with God.

Guidance and Revelation: The Spirit guides believers into truth and reveals the deep things of God (John 16:13; 1 Corinthians 2:10-12). Through this guidance, believers gain understanding of God's will and His purposes, reinforcing their identity as His children.

Communion with God: The Holy Spirit enables believers to cry out to God as their Father (Galatians 4:6). This intimate communion and relationship with God further affirm our status as His children.

In summary, the Holy Spirit bears witness to our spirit through an inner conviction, assurance of salvation, transformation, guidance into truth, and communion with God. This witness is experiential and relational, confirming our identity as children of God and deepening our faith in Him.

 

[Ritajanice]

How long can this poster keep doing this?

She says we do not answer

we answer’

then she tells us we are wrong

then later she will again say we do not answer?

Can one of the people who run this site explain this to her?

Keep doing what?

I am questioning you just like you are bombarding me with your questions and what you believe to be God’s truth

You have answered some of my questions and I’m going to quote the ones you haven’t answered again.

 

[Johann]

but, I am learning in the spirit and will continue to learn Gods truth in my spirit as I am a spirit child.

Making a statement and no Scripture references--

Romans:

Romans 15:4: "For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope."
Romans 12:2: "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will."
1 Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 2:10-12: "These are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us."
1 Corinthians 2:14: "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit."
2 Corinthians:

2 Corinthians 3:18: "And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit."
2 Corinthians 4:16: "Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day."
Galatians:

Galatians 5:16: "So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh."
Galatians 5:22-23: "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
Ephesians:

Ephesians 1:17-18: "I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people."
Ephesians 3:16-19: "I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God."
Philippians:

Philippians 1:9-11: "And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God."
Philippians 4:8: "Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Colossians:

Colossians 1:9-10: "For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you. We continually ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives, so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God."

Colossians 3:16: "Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts."

These passages from the Pauline epistles emphasize that learning and spiritual growth occur through the work of the Holy Spirit, who reveals God's truth, transforms believers' minds and hearts, guides them in living according to God's will, and enables them to bear spiritual fruit. The process involves prayer, studying Scripture, walking in obedience to God's Word, and relying on the Spirit's empowerment and guidance in all aspects of life.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Holy Spirit bears witness to our spirit primarily through several means as outlined in Scripture:

Inner Conviction: The Holy Spirit prompts a deep inner conviction within believers that they are children of God. This conviction is not merely intellectual but a profound assurance that comes from the Spirit's presence within us (Romans 8:16).

Assurance of Salvation: The Spirit confirms our adoption as God's children by sealing us with Himself (Ephesians 1:13-14). This sealing is a guarantee or deposit, indicating our secure position in Christ.

Transformation: The presence of the Holy Spirit in our lives produces fruit that reflects our new identity in Christ (Galatians 5:22-23). As we grow in these Christlike qualities, it serves as ongoing evidence of the Spirit's work and our relationship with God.

Guidance and Revelation: The Spirit guides believers into truth and reveals the deep things of God (John 16:13; 1 Corinthians 2:10-12). Through this guidance, believers gain understanding of God's will and His purposes, reinforcing their identity as His children.

Communion with God: The Holy Spirit enables believers to cry out to God as their Father (Galatians 4:6). This intimate communion and relationship with God further affirm our status as His children.

In summary, the Holy Spirit bears witness to our spirit through an inner conviction, assurance of salvation, transformation, guidance into truth, and communion with God. This witness is experiential and relational, confirming our identity as children of God and deepening our faith in Him.

That is not how God says about the Spirit bear witness with our spirit.

That is your own intellect at work there and reading other people’s commentaries..they don’t make your spirit Born Again.

Gods word is very easy to understand in our spirit as long as Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit brings it to our understanding in the spirit.

We can only cry out to the Lord when our spirit is Born Again...we must know God in our heart spirit, we are spirit children.

Romans 8

King James Version

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

Making a statement and no Scripture references--

Romans:

Romans 15:4: "For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope."
Romans 12:2: "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will."
1 Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 2:10-12: "These are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us."
1 Corinthians 2:14: "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit."
2 Corinthians:

2 Corinthians 3:18: "And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit."
2 Corinthians 4:16: "Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day."
Galatians:

Galatians 5:16: "So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh."
Galatians 5:22-23: "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
Ephesians:

Ephesians 1:17-18: "I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people."
Ephesians 3:16-19: "I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God."
Philippians:

Philippians 1:9-11: "And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God."
Philippians 4:8: "Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
Colossians:

Colossians 1:9-10: "For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you. We continually ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives, so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God."

Colossians 3:16: "Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts."

These passages from the Pauline epistles emphasize that learning and spiritual growth occur through the work of the Holy Spirit, who reveals God's truth, transforms believers' minds and hearts, guides them in living according to God's will, and enables them to bear spiritual fruit. The process involves prayer, studying Scripture, walking in obedience to God's Word, and relying on the Spirit's empowerment and guidance in all aspects of life.

Once again you are posting scripture and understanding in your intellect....you need to understand that our spirit must be Born Again not intellectual knowledge of scripture.

That’s all you post and other people’s commentaries....you never imo speak in the Spirit..all that I post is biblical..please quote where it’s not ,and I will explain.

You can’t keep working for your salvation..

I am learning to walk in the spirit, I am learning to renew my mind, all by the power that indwells me..I am a spirit child.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have done no such thing, I’ve been trying to discuss scripture..instead I get a barrage of personal opinions thrown at me..including from you as. well..

Lol

Its different..

Again if I say my opinion. I am not goading

But whene I accuse someone, or call them a name or something ,it is goading.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have goaded no one...you are a clique admin ain’t daft, they can see that for themselves.

Yes they are not daft.

thats why I hope they hold you accountable

 

[Eternally Grateful]

By the way @Episkopos is as much a Brother in Christ as anyone else.

He teaches a different gospel

we are not both saved..

thats impossible.. there is only one way to God.

I won’t stand for any bullying of him by the clique on here.

Plus he’s nice eye candy to look at....LOL.

Sorry, once again, showing the truth in scripture is not bullying

How many people have gone down because of eye candy?

 

[Johann]

That is not how God says about the Spirit bear witness with our spirit.

You are calling Scripture as lying-there is no depth in you and I honestly don't know why you are here.


Proverbs 12:23 (NIV): "The prudent keep their knowledge to themselves, but a fool’s heart blurts out folly."

Proverbs 14:29 (NIV): "Whoever is patient has great understanding, but one who is quick-tempered displays folly."

Proverbs 15:2 (NIV): "The tongue of the wise adorns knowledge, but the mouth of the fool gushes folly."

Proverbs 27:22 (NIV): "Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding them like grain with a pestle, you will not remove their folly from them."

Ecclesiastes 10:3 (NIV): "Even as fools walk along the road, they lack sense and show everyone how stupid they are."

These verses from the Old Testament wisdom literature highlight the idea that a person's foolishness or lack of wisdom is often evident in their words, actions, and demeanor, and it can be observed by others around them.

 

[Ritajanice]

You are calling Scripture as lying-there is no depth in you and I honestly don't know why you are here.

I have posted the scripture above did you read it.?

Proverbs 12:23 (NIV): "The prudent keep their knowledge to themselves, but a fool’s heart blurts out folly."

Proverbs 14:29 (NIV): "Whoever is patient has great understanding, but one who is quick-tempered displays folly."

Proverbs 15:2 (NIV): "The tongue of the wise adorns knowledge, but the mouth of the fool gushes folly."

Proverbs 27:22 (NIV): "Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding them like grain with a pestle, you will not remove their folly from them."

Ecclesiastes 10:3 (NIV): "Even as fools walk along the road, they lack sense and show everyone how stupid they are."

These verses from the Old Testament wisdom literature highlight the idea that a person's foolishness or lack of wisdom is often evident in their words, actions, and demeanor, and it can be observed by others around them.

This scripture has got absolutely nothing to do with the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.

That can only be understood in the heart/ spirit , when he testifies with our spirit that we are Gods Children.

That is Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit testifying that truth to our heart/ spirit.

We are Born Again by the testifying with our spirit via Gods Living Holy Spirit...he talks/ testifies to our spirit as he’s indwelling our spirit ...that is the part @Johann doesn’t understand and keeps rebuking Gods word.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The passages that you posted @Eternally Grateful ..have nothing whatsoever on how we come Born Again...if we are saved, then we are already Born Again...

They have everything to do with being born again..

We must be Born Again then saved from eternal damnation..

No. Your saved first. THEN you are born again

none of the scripture you posted says nothing about being Born Of The Spirit..it’s just your opinion on what you believe The scripture to be saying...no more valid than mine or anyone else.

It has everything to do with being born of the spirit.

You posted scripture and interpreted it to mean Born Again..therefore your own opinion of that scripture meaning.

No. I interpret it be being justified, or saved, That is WHEN one is born again, Not before. And not after.

I have posted scripture.

Sola scripture does not make our spirit Born Again.

I never said it did. Stop with you accusations.

You get on some topic and you can;t let it go.. Another issue with you

Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit does that, biblical.

You rebuke that..

No I do not.

You bear false witness. Yet again..

It’s obvious you do not know what I believe, yet you judge me,, How dare you Judge me or anyone else. When yu do not even know what we believe

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Reread the posts.

I did, I actually wrote them. I did not say it.

in fact. I said the opposite of what you accuse me of.

How dare you!!!

That is not how God says we are Born Of The Spirit, you bear false witness.

No.. I am saying what the Bible says.. If you do not agree. Well thats fine.. But stop saying I bear false witness

Please don’t add tomGods word, those are your words..not biblical.

Yet you add to gods words all the Time,,

Why are you being a hypocrite?

Clarify please?

You have rebuked the word of God that I posted.

No. I have clarified and interpreted it differently than you do.

Thats not rebuking, It would do you a great service to learn the difference

As you don’t understand what it means to be Born Of God’s seed..then you can’t understand in your heart/ spirit.

You do not even know what I believe,
I understand clearly what it means,, You can;t take that from me or judge me

That a Born Again does not sin because they have been “ Born Of God’s seed”. That can only come by heart/ spirit revelation via Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit.

So do you sin or not?

Which is it? Are you perfect. Because you are born of God, or do you still sin?

Let’s put your cards on the table.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sola scripture does not make our spirit Born Again

I never said it did

..that is a supernatural act that only Gods witness can do by the power of His Living Spirit.

What does this have to do with what sola scripura is?

Can you ever stick to the topic?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I stand by what I've posted @Eternally Grateful

I am sure you do. just saying, lets not do as they do..

 

[Ritajanice]

I never said it did

What does this have to do with what sola scripura is?

Can you ever stick to the topic?

Nice evasion of my questions.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am quoting Gods word ..we are not Born Again by sola scripture/written word...

I never aid we do. Yet you keep throwing in my face like I believe it

THATS what you were reported for. Your continued insistence that we believe something we do not. And not letting it go

you cannot bear false witness like this... we are Born Again by Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit...by all means report.

The written word is not God.

In the begining was the word. And the word was God.

Sorry, The word itself proves you in error

We are Born Of The Spirit Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit...

Yes

But that is what happens, not how it happens. Or why