understanding the time frames fit in Revelation

[tailgator]

No, the abomination of desolation setup on the temple mount begins the 1335 day long great tribulation.

Zechariah 14:12 is Revelation 19:21. Zechariah 14:12 is the result of Jesus speaking the destruction of the kings of the earth and their armies that have gathered to make war on Him and His army of heaven.

Revelation 19:
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

The great tribulation begins here when the resurection takes place.

Daniel 12:1-2

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.


So you believe this great tribulation in Daniel 12:1 lasts for 1335 days after Christ comes and raises the dead.Who is it that you believe can survive 1335 days during this great tribulation without being delivered as them in 12:1?

 

[tailgator]

No, the abomination of desolation setup on the temple mount begins the 1335 day long great tribulation.

Zechariah 14:12 is Revelation 19:21. Zechariah 14:12 is the result of Jesus speaking the destruction of the kings of the earth and their armies that have gathered to make war on Him and His army of heaven.

Revelation 19:
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

PS
Also seeing the great tribulation is in Daniel 12:1 which takes place after Daniel 11:44,how do you believe a statue can annihilate many,?


Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.



According to your believe,how does the statue annihilate many?Are the people destroyed by its beauty?

 

[Douggg]

PS
Also seeing the great tribulation is in Daniel 12:1 which takes place after Daniel 11:44,how do you believe a statue can annihilate many,?


Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.



According to your believe,how does the statue annihilate many?Are the people destroyed by its beauty?

Where are you getting that abomination of desolation annihilates many ?

Daniel 11:44 is about the beast-king getting attacked in a prelude to Armageddon.

As the attack is taking place, the sign of the Son of man will unsuspectingly appear in heaven. The warring armies, in fear, will stop fighting each other, and will join forces under the beast-king's leadership and prepare for 45 days, gathering at Armageddon to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven.

Here are two diagrams I made. One of Daniel 11:40-44, the prelude to Armageddon. Then the second diagram, of the beast-king making his final stand in Daniel 11:45 when he attempts to stand up against Jesus.

 

[tailgator]

Where are you getting that abomination of desolation annihilates many ?

Daniel 11:44 is about the beast-king getting attacked in a prelude to Armageddon.

As the attack is taking place, the sign of the Son of man will unsuspectingly appear in heaven. The warring armies, in fear, will stop fighting each other, and will join forces under the beast-king's leadership and prepare for 45 days, gathering at Armageddon to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven.

Here are two diagrams I made. One of Daniel 11:40-44, the prelude to Armageddon. Then the second diagram, of the beast-king making his final stand in Daniel 11:45 when he attempts to stand up against Jesus.



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Jesus said when the abomination of desolation is set up in Jerusalem , there would be great tribulation at that time.

The great tribulation takes place in Daniel 12:1 after the king of the north goes forth to annihilate many in Daniel 11:44.

Have you never paid attention to what Jesus said about the AOD and the great tribulation?
I see why you are confused .

 

[Douggg]

Jesus said when the abomination of desolation is set up in Jerusalem , there would be great tribulation at that time.

agreed.

he great tribulation takes place in Daniel 12:1 after the king of the north goes forth to annihilate many in Daniel 11:44.

agreed, the great tribulation is being referenced in Daniel 12:1.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

"at that time" is referring to "the time of the end" in Daniel 11:35 - not the continuation of Daniel 11:44-45.

Daniel 11:36-45 is time of the end. Describing the beast-king's activities. Up unto he meets his end in Daniel 11:45.

Daniel 12:1 pick ups what is going to happen to Daniel's people in the time of the end. That they will go through what the new testament is referred to as the great tribulation.

 

[tailgator]

agreed.


agreed, the great tribulation is being referenced in Daniel 12:1.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

"at that time" is referring to "the time of the end" in Daniel 11:35 - not the continuation of Daniel 11:44-45.

Daniel 11:36-45 is time of the end. Describing the beast-king's activities. Up unto he meets his end in Daniel 11:45.

Daniel 12:1 pick ups what is going to happen to Daniel's people in the time of the end. That they will go through what the new testament is referred to as the great tribulation.

The time of the end is not in Daniel 11:35.It is Daniel 11:40 when the king of the south attacks.

At that time in Daniel 12:1 is referring to Daniel 11:44 when the king of the north goes forth to annihilate many..

I expect hundreds of millions will be killed at that time.It takes 3.5 days from the time the king of the south attacks the king of the north in Daniel 11:40 to 11:44.
Daniel 11:44 is when the abomination is placed in Jerusalem causing the earthquake and the cloud to ascend into heaven .The same day the two witnesses ascend into heaven in that cloud.The same day the dead are raised in Daniel 12:2.

 

[Douggg]

The time of the end is not in Daniel 11:35.

Daniel 11:35 is a transition verse to the time of the end.

Daniel 11:16 picks up at the time of the end, with the beast-king in power.

Daniel 11:45 the beast-king meets his end on the temple mount.

At that time in Daniel 12:1 is referring to Daniel 11:44 when the king of the north goes forth to annihilate many..

No Daniel 12:1 is not referring to Daniel 11:44.

Daniel 11:44 is near the end of the 7 years, near the end of the great tribulation.

Daniel 11:45 is at the end of the 7 years, at the end of the great tribulation - when the beast-king meets his end on the temple mount - when Jesus returns and cast him and the false prophet alive into the lake of fire.

 

[tailgator]

Daniel 11:35 is a transition verse to the time of the end.

Daniel 11:16 picks up at the time of the end, with the beast-king in power.

Daniel 11:45 the beast-king meets his end on the temple mount.


No Daniel 12:1 is not referring to Daniel 11:44.

Daniel 11:44 is near the end of the 7 years, near the end of the great tribulation.

Daniel 11:45 is at the end of the 7 years, at the end of the great tribulation - when the beast-king meets his end on the temple mount - when Jesus returns and cast him and the false prophet alive into the lake of fire.

No
Daniel 11:35 is not the time of the end.
Daniel 11:40 is the time of the end


"at the time of the end"

Daniel 11:40

Then at the time of the end, the king of the south will attack the king of the north. The king of the north will storm out with chariots, charioteers, and a vast navy. He will invade various lands and sweep through them like a flood.


There is no transition period The scripture continues from Daniel 11:1 through Daniel 11:45.

I've been watching the prophecy being fulfilled since 2003.My estimation there is only four more years till Daniel 11:44-12:2

 

[Douggg]

I've been watching the prophecy being fulfilled since 2003.My estimation there is only four more years till Daniel 11:44-12:2

Daniel 11:40-45 will be at the end of the 7 year 70th week. So more than four years are necessary.

The rapture/resurrection could happen at anytime. Perhaps this very hour.

Other than that possibility, what to look for is the little horn person, a Jew, becoming leader over a group of ten EU leaders.

As that will happen before the Gog/Magog event takes place. Which the Gog/Magog event will be followed by the 7 year 70th week.

 

[Wish-it]

It's a symbolic book for you to intuitively decode. It's esoteric. It's hard to decipher.
It wasn't written to be taken litteraly and for you to simply make up a time line for it and be done with it.

Being able to understand the symbolism within this book can take a lifetime of study.

1 Cor 15.46. First in the natural, then in the spiritual.

 

[Wish-it]

Daniel 11:40-45 will be at the end of the 7 year 70th week. So more than four years are necessary.

The rapture/resurrection could happen at anytime. Perhaps this very hour.

Other than that possibility, what to look for is the little horn person, a Jew, becoming leader over a group of ten EU leaders.

As that will happen before the Gog/Magog event takes place. Which the Gog/Magog event will be followed by the 7 year 70th week.



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Why a Jew?

 

[Douggg]

Why a Jew?

Because to become the Antichrist, the person must be anointed the king of Israel - which requires him to be a Jew. Being a Jew is our first criteria in evaluating any person we think may become the Antichrist.

 

[shepherdsword]

The time frames of events of Revelation that will take place here on earth are...

in the first half
1260 days Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

in the second half
3 1/2 days Revelation 11:11
42 months Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
time, times, half time Revelation 12:14

Why the different time frame expressions - and not all as simply 1260 days ? I will explain.

The difference is because of two short events that will take place.

(1) the 3 1/2 days the two witnesses bodies lay dead in the streets in Jerusalem.

(2) the undisclosed time for the war in the second heaven between Michael and his angels against Satan and his angels. It is undisclosed because only the time frames are given for events that take place here on earth.

So, we end up with two simple similar single line formulas that each total 7 years.

1260 days + 3 1/2 days + 42 months (1256 1/2 days) = 2520 days (7 years)

1260 days + the undisclosed war in the second heaven time + the time, times, half time = 2520 days (7 years)

When you see the times referred to as "days" it is in regard to the righteous (light/sun)
When you see the times referred to as "months" it is in regard to the wicked (darkness.moon)

 

[Wish-it]

agreed.


agreed, the great tribulation is being referenced in Daniel 12:1.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

"at that time" is referring to "the time of the end" in Daniel 11:35 - not the continuation of Daniel 11:44-45.

Daniel 11:36-45 is time of the end. Describing the beast-king's activities. Up unto he meets his end in Daniel 11:45.

Daniel 12:1 pick ups what is going to happen to Daniel's people in the time of the end. That they will go through what the new testament is referred to as the great tribulation.

Because to become the Antichrist, the person must be anointed the king of Israel - which requires him to be a Jew. Being a Jew is our first criteria in evaluating any person we think may become the Antichrist.

Because to become the Antichrist, the person must be anointed the king of Israel - which requires him to be a Jew. Being a Jew is our first criteria in evaluating any person we think may become the Antichrist.

Where does the criteria come from?

 

[Douggg]

Where does the criteria come from?

Criteria for the person who becomes the Antichrist must be a Jew ?

We find the word Messiah in the kjv bible in Daniel 9:25-26.

The messiah (Christ in Greek, John 4:25) will rule from the throne of David (king of Israel. In Isaiah 9:6-7. ("Anti" in the term Antichrist means "instead of" and "against" the True Christ - Jesus.)

Isaiah 9:
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

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For the Jewish expectation of the messiah, here is a quck summary of what Jews are looking for in their eschatology, from Wikepedia, Messiah in Judaism - Wikipedia

"In Jewish eschatology, the Messiah is a future Jewish king from the Davidic line, who is expected to be anointed with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age and world to come.[1][2][8] The Messiah is often referred to as "King Messiah" "

 

[Wish-it]

Criteria for the person who becomes the Antichrist must be a Jew ?

We find the word Messiah in the kjv bible in Daniel 9:25-26.

The messiah (Christ in Greek, John 4:25) will rule from the throne of David (king of Israel. In Isaiah 9:6-7. ("Anti" in the term Antichrist means "instead of" and "against" the True Christ - Jesus.)

Isaiah 9:
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

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For the Jewish expectation of the messiah, here is a quck summary of what Jews are looking for in their eschatology, from Wikepedia, Messiah in Judaism - Wikipedia

"In Jewish eschatology, the Messiah is a future Jewish king from the Davidic line, who is expected to be anointed with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age and world to come.[1][2][8] The Messiah is often referred to as "King Messiah" "

Now explain why the Antichrist needs to be Jewish, added scripture would be helpful.

 

[Douggg]

Now explain why the Antichrist needs to be Jewish, added scripture would be helpful.

Jesus, the true christ, was welcomed by his followers as the King of Israel - that comes in the name of the Lord, in John 12:12-15. Fulfilling Daniel 9:25, the arrival of the messiah. Only to be cut off, crucified, 4 days later, fulfilling Daniel 9:26.

John 12:
12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

Though Jesus came in the name of the Lord , but was "received not" by his own people (John 1:11), the Antichrist will be another (Jew) that the Jews will receive as their King of Israel, instead - for a while.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

The time frames of events of Revelation that will take place here on earth are...

in the first half
1260 days Revelation 11:3, Revelation 12:6

in the second half
3 1/2 days Revelation 11:11
42 months Revelation 11:2, Revelation 13:5
time, times, half time Revelation 12:14

Why the different time frame expressions - and not all as simply 1260 days ? I will explain.

The difference is because of two short events that will take place.

(1) the 3 1/2 days the two witnesses bodies lay dead in the streets in Jerusalem.

(2) the undisclosed time for the war in the second heaven between Michael and his angels against Satan and his angels. It is undisclosed because only the time frames are given for events that take place here on earth.

So, we end up with two simple similar single line formulas that each total 7 years.

1260 days + 3 1/2 days + 42 months (1256 1/2 days) = 2520 days (7 years)

1260 days + the undisclosed war in the second heaven time + the time, times, half time = 2520 days (7 years)

wondering why the 3 1/2 days were added to the calculating ? just to get the math to work out ?

 

[Douggg]

wondering why the 3 1/2 days were added to the calculating ? just to get the math to work out ?

Because the two 1260 day time frame of Revelation 11:3 and Revelation 12:6 are the first half of the 7 years. That should leave 1260 days for the second half..... according to simple math of 2520 days - 1260 days = 1260 days.

But the phrase of 42 months is used instead of 1260 days for the second half. Why 42 months is used and not 1260 days ? Because, as it turns out, the 42 months as used in Revelation is not exactly 1260 days.

Yes, by simple conversion to days, normally 42 months should equal exactly 1260 days (i.e. 42 months x 30 days/month = 1260 days).

But in Revelation, 42 months is a rounded off number of the actual days left when the 3 1/2 days is taken into account. The 42 months actually represents 1256 1/2 days. i.e. 1260 days minus 3 1/2 days = 1256 1/2 days.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

Because the two 1260 day time frame of Revelation 11:3 and Revelation 12:6 are the first half of the 7 years. That should leave 1260 days for the second half..... according to simple math of 2520 days - 1260 days = 1260 days.

But the phrase of 42 months is used instead of 1260 days for the second half. Why 42 months is used and not 1260 days ? Because, as it turns out, the 42 months as used in Revelation is not exactly 1260 days.

Yes, by simple conversion to days, normally 42 months should equal exactly 1260 days (i.e. 42 months x 30 days/month = 1260 days).

But in Revelation, 42 months is a rounded off number of the actual days left when the 3 1/2 days is taken into account. The 42 months actually represents 1256 1/2 days. i.e. 1260 days minus 3 1/2 days = 1256 1/2 days.

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should we suspect a year that all these numbers add up to ?