Queen of heaven

[Matthias]

I hold to the "historical doctrine of the Trinity".

Assuming that you know what the historical doctrine of the Trinity actually teaches (see the Council of Nicaea, the Council of Constantinople and the Council of Chalcedon), then you have changed after all. Catholics everywhere will rejoice at the news. (I love irony.)

You accept and hold as your own personal belief the historical doctrine of the Trinity.

I reject and do not hold as my own personal belief the historical doctrine of the Trinity.

If anyone asks, that’s what I’ll tell them. It’s the right thing to do.

If anyone testifies otherwise about you, I’ll use your testimony against them to defend you. Why? It’s the right thing to do.

However, once another doctrine, comes along, that says...>"and you must believe in that, to go to heaven"...then i leave it behind.

Good on you. You reject the anathemas contained in the Athanasian Creed.

Meanwhile, and sadly, trinitarian on trinitarian violence will continue unabated.

Shoot the non-trinitarian peacemaker and shake hands.

 

[Matthias]

The Catholic Catechism ( item 846) states:
they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

Now, what does this "knowing" really mean?
Some may think that by "preaching" or giving out a pamphlet or posting something on the web, the other person became "aware", and has no excuse now, because he/she knows.
This problem is typical of all religions who think that this life is the only opportunity to accept a given set of beliefs in order to avoid eternal hell. Who is really in the know?

To me, knowing means understanding and experiencing... and this is a matter which belongs to God and the individual soul.
Fortunately enough, we will not be saved by providing the right answers in a quiz on Theology and, according Matthew 25, we will not be judged by the church or religious group we were affiliated to.

I came across this a few minutes ago while searching for something else and thought about you. I think you’ll appreciate it and I can agree with it as far as it goes.

”Worship is more than the songs we sing, it’s the lifestyle we live.” - Shane Pruitt

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

I think I recall asking you - but maybe I only intended to ask but haven’t gotten around to it - if you interpret the writings of all faiths through the lens of the Baha’i faith and consider them to be of equal value and fully compatible. Is that the case?

I believe that all major religions* came from God, that their founders were sent by God, and their sacred texts reflect to some extent* the original teachings of these founders.

NOTES:

* I do not include all sects formed after the major religions. Some may have been created by humans with ungodly purposes.
*"To some extent" because it varies from text to text, and we cannot rule out that those written centuries after the original Messenger was sent, were manipulated with additions, deletions, distorsions, etc.

I believe that, in essence, the Message from all religions is compatible.
Certainly, not at the level of specific metaphors, symbols, rituals, laws, and language, which as appropriate for each culture and time.

For example, it is clear that circumcision is prescribed in the Torah but not in the New Testament, and by the same token, baptism is prescribed in the New Testament but not in the Torah. However, both are external manifestations of a commitment to live submitted to God's will.

 

[Matthias]

I believe that all major religions* came from God, that their founders were sent by God, and their sacred texts reflect to some extent* the original teachings of these founders.

NOTES:

* I do not include all sects formed after the major religions. Some may have been created by humans with ungodly purposes.
*"To some extent" because it varies from text to text, and we cannot rule out that those written centuries after the original Messenger was sent, were manipulated with additions, deletions, distorsions, etc.

I believe that, in essence, the Message from all religions is compatible.
Certainly, not at the level of specific metaphors, symbols, rituals, laws, and language, which as appropriate for each culture and time.

For example, it is clear that circumcision is prescribed in the Torah but not in the New Testament, and by the same token, baptism is prescribed in the New Testament but not in the Torah. However, both are external manifestations of a commitment to live submitted to God's will.

Thanks. For most of my life - going back to around the age of five or six - I’ve desired to know what people believe about God and why they believe it. I’m not entirely sure why that is (probably something that I saw or heard as a child and can’t put my finger on) but it is.

 

[Matthias]

”WHAT SHOULD A CHRISTIAN DO WHO HAS BEEN GIVEN A BIBLE BY A PROTESTANT OR BY AN AGENT OF THE PROTESTANTS?

A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest.”

(The Catechism of St. Pius X - On the Virtues and Vices)

THE CATECHISM OF ST. PIUS X – On the Virtues and Vices – Jimmy Akin

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My wife is away for the week and I wanted to reward myself for pumping some iron. (Oohrah!)

I have cookies at home, and I have been craving German Chocolate cake (my favorite). Decision made. Off to the grocery store I headed. But then I saw it —> a St. Vincent DePaul Mission Store. They don’t sell German Chocolate cake but they do sell books. My birthday is coming up next week, and I almost always have German Chocolate cake on my birthday. Decision changed.

I looked around the book section of the store and my eyes landed upon a shelf marked “Free Bibles”. Remembering what I had learned ... yep. They were all Protestant translations.

Not so fast. Maybe it wasn’t what it appeared to be. Looking through the half-dozen or so Bibles didn’t take long. I decided on one: a brand new, unopened John MacArthur Daily Bible, NASB, Second Edition. BINGO! Off to the cash register with it (and another book, written by a Protestant author, offered for sale at the cost of $0.50 + tax, U.S. currency).

The clerk at the register smiled and asked if I had. found everything I was looking for. O, yes. Time to checkout. She rang up the paperback book and then looked for a price tag on the Bible. “I found it on a shelf marked ‘Free Bibles,’ but I’m not sure. I didn’t find a tag on it.“ The woman looked it over, leaded through the pages (what for? Surely there wouldn’t be a tag in there, would there?) and then asked another clerk about it, telling her the story about where I had found it. This was it. The moment of truth. The other clerk glanced at it, saw that it was a Protestant Bible, and said in a curt tone of voice, “Yes. Let him have it.” I paid for the paperback ($0.53 including tax) and left the store with my “I’ve been a good boy today” reward in hand.

Did this incident prove that what I had read about the Catholic attitude toward Protestant Bibles is true? Maybe. All I know is that’s what happened today. I’m sitting here now with sore muscles and a brand new - not low cost; no cost - Protestant Bible in my hand.

Only one problem now -> my wife’s rule about new books: when a new book comes into the house, an old book has to leave the house. (Is it really new if the clerk leafed through before I purchased it? I think not.)

 

[Matthias]

I obtained this online from a Catholic source. What do non-Catholics notice when they see this depiction, and what do they think about them?

 

[Behold]

Shoot the non-trinitarian peacemaker and shake hands.

God and Christ never told anyone to burn you at the stake if you dont accept the "Trinity" Doctrine.

So, where you find Calvin and the "cult of Mary" burning people, you are watching a cult doing the devil's work.

See, Jesus died for sinners, to forgiven them..........vs.... Heretics who will happily burn you over, .. based upon... a theological disagreement.

 

[Matthias]

God and Christ never told anyone to burn you at the stake if you dont accept the "Trinity" Doctrine.

Who is God?

So, where you find Calvin and the "cult of Mary" burning people, you are watching a cult doing the devil's work.

See, Jesus died for sinners, to forgiven them..........vs.... Heretics who will happily burn you over, .. based upon... a theological disagreement.

 

[Behold]

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I obtained this online from a Catholic source. What do non-Catholics notice when they see this depiction, and what do they think about the them?

The CC is a cult that is based on "water baptism as salvaiton" "Baptismal Regeneration"... and a demonic obsession regarding Mary.

Avoid all this as its not related to Real Christianity,
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[Matthias]

The CC is a cult that is based on "water baptism as salvaiton" "Baptismal Regeneration"... and a demonic obsession regarding Mary.

Avoid all this as its not related to Real Christianity,
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Thanks, but you didn’t answer my question about what you noticed in the depiction I asked about.

I still appreciate your response. It confirms (or at least suggests) something I’ve been thinking about: Non-Catholics don’t really spend much quality time thinking about Catholic depictions.

 

[Behold]

Thanks, but you didn’t answer my question about what you noticed in the depiction I asked about.

A Christian who understands Christianity, understands what isn't.. and the "cult of Mary" is nothing less then that description, and nothing more.

Is that Christianity?

= No.

 

[Matthias]

A Christian who understands Christianity, understands what isn't.. and the "cult of Mary" is nothing less then that description, and nothing more.

Is that Christianity?

= No.

Catholics are or aren’t Christians?

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Continuing with my investigation:



A similar depiction. I obtained it from a non-Catholic source.

Mary isn’t included in this icon. Is this better, more acceptable, in the eyes of non-Catholics? Does it accurately convey the theology of non-Catholics?

 

[Behold]

Catholics are or aren’t Christians?

Being """"born again""""' is the only answer to ......."are you a Christian".

Whereas......A denomination, is a name brand....that is man-made.

Jesus was not a Baptist, or a Methodist, or a Assembly of God, or a "cult of Mary" member.

A.) There are no denominations in Heaven..

So then...., within all denominations, including the "Cult of Mary"... there are people who are born again....as CHRISTians.

Some of my favorite SAINTS... (all Christians are Saints) but the "Cult of Mary" claims that for themselves..... So, within this cult, there are some amazing AMAZING Saints who are heroes of the Faith., who were and are born again.

its possible that some POPES were born again............only God knows..

 

[Matthias]

............only God knows..

God and Christ?

When I asked you who God is (post #48) you chose not to answer.

Did you look at the non-Catholic icon? Have you had time to compare the two?

 

[Matthias]

God and Christ never told anyone to burn you at the stake if you dont accept the "Trinity" Doctrine.

I’m certain that is true. Why did you put quotation marks around Trinity?

 

[Matthias]

A Christian who understands Christianity, understands what isn't.. and the "cult of Mary" is nothing less then that description, and nothing more.

Is that Christianity?

= No.

Christianity is a broad spectrum and, whether someone likes it or not, the Catholic Church is on that spectrum. The same is true of Jewish monotheism.

Christianity began as a sect of, and within, Judaism.

 

[Behold]

God and Christ?

When I asked you who God is (post #48) you chose not to answer.

Who is God?
He's the Creator of Heaven and Earth....., who is the Father of Christ and the Spiritual Parent of all the Born Again.

Did you look at the non-Catholic icon? Have you had time to compare the two?

The 2nd one is obtuse, and the 1st one is Mary Worship.

 

[Behold]

Christianity is a broad spectrum

Christianity is born again Believer.

That is not a denomination... that is a CHRISTian.

 

[Matthias]

Who is God?
He's the Creator of Heaven and Earth....., who is the Father of Christ and the Spiritual Parent of all the Born Again.

I agree. The Apostles’ Creed.

”Blessed be the God and Father of our lord Jesus Messiah.”

The 2nd one is obtuse, and the 1st one is Mary Worship.

What is it about the second one which causes you to think it obtuse? Does it not fit your theology?

 

[Matthias]

Christianity is born again Believer.

That is not a denomination... that is a CHRISTian.

Jewish monotheists who believe God and also believe Messiah Jesus (John 14:1) are born again believers; Christian.