Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[face2face]

Your light is darkness for you deny the LORD Jesus Christ who is your Maker

My Savior has Called me and washed me in His Precious Blood and HE prayed to the FATHER
whereby i received the Holy Spirit of Truth = SAME 3 as in the Beginning

Yeah yeah, its all fluff and spin David...get to the substance, abondened the Trinity and enter the Word of God which gives light!

 

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@face2face
@Keiw

 

[David in NJ]

Yeah yeah, its all fluff and spin David...get to the substance, abondened the Trinity and enter the Word of God which gives light!

Who is the Word of God that gives light.......................waiting

 

[David in NJ]

Yeah yeah, its all fluff and spin David...get to the substance, abondened the Trinity and enter the Word of God which gives light!

Taking a loooooooooooooooooooooooong time for you to answer

 

[face2face]

Taking a loooooooooooooooooooooooong time for you to answer

Enjoy your games David - as the saying goes ignorance is bliss!

 

[David in NJ]

Enjoy your games David - as the saying goes ignorance is bliss!

Remain in your short lived bliss then...........

 

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@David in NJ
@LuxMundi

Useless to expect a Biblical Standing when nonsense is their ammo.

Glory to God ,
Taken

 

[face2face]

I challenged @face2face in post #635 to explain how Jesus wasn't saying that He's God in Jn. 8:58, but he ignored it, and went on debating this topic as if he hadn't just been faced with a challenge that he couldn't meet.

Maybe you have been distracted or merely lagging behind in the discussion. You might even be boarder diversionary debater???

As I've said go back and look up all me posts and you will find your answers

F2F

 

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Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

God says…I AM that I AM
Gods says…I AM He.

Jesus says…no one is GOOD, but God.
Jesus says…I am The GOOD shepherd.
Jesus says…I am He.
Jesus said…your sins are Forgiven.

Scripture says who can forgive sin, but God.

David- Your deaf son, gets it!
My deaf daughter gets it!

Gods mystery …
The seeing can be blind and the deaf can hear Gods Truth.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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Jesus Christ, the Same yesterday, today and forever.

The Mighty God.
The Everlasting Father.
No beginning, No ending.

All flesh Must, Shall Die, God requires it

Not news…
Some earthly manKind have to experience their Flesh Death, before they Believe what they could Not Believe by Hearing…

Praise God for His Grace to be accounted among the Converted.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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Why do I have to comb through 33 pages when you can just copy and paste the answer you've supposedly already given to the person(s) who supposedly already offered you the same challenge as I did in post #635? Is that not an option for you?

Ploy.

 

[face2face]

Is that not an option for you?

Not at the moment - there are others in this forum more receptive to truth than you. Grab a spade and start digging!

"till the ground from where you taken!"

 

[face2face]

Translation: "I can't meet the challenge, so I'm saying that I can, but I'm going to blame you for why I won't, because I'm proud."

It seems like one of those overly loose translations, like The Message Bible. It's really best to avoid using that version!

 

[face2face]

That's a poor comeback since you know that I wasn't using a translation of The Bible. You should've remained silent. It would've been just as effective.

Don't hurt - use the search funtion top right hand corner...works a treat!

 

[face2face]

I did use it, and I found a post where you said that Jesus's answer to the Pharisee's question, "You are not yet fifty years old! Have you seen Abraham?" (Jn. 8:57), was about preeminence, not preexistence.

In Colossians 1:18, for example, when it says that Christ is "the head of the body, the church," and "that in all things He might have the preeminence," it means that Christ is most important and above all others in the Body and in all creation (except his Creator the Almighty God).

However, Jesus explicitly said, "[...] before Abraham came into existence, I AM" (Jn. 8:58), thus asserting that He existed before Abraham,

The question is how did he exist?

In John 8:56, Jesus says, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."

How did Abraham look forward to the day of Christ - what event do you think taught Abraham about the Promised Son?

and referred to Himself as "I AM" just as God did to Moses: "And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you" (Ex. 3:13-14).

Jesus would share in the name after its a family name! Do you understand what I mean when I say its a family name?

It's because the Pharisees understood that Jesus was saying He's God that they attempted to stone him for blasphemy. (Jn. 8:59)

Interesting they never drew this conclusion at his trail!

In Matthew 26:63-66 / Mark 14:61-64, during Jesus' trial before the high priest Caiaphas, the high priest asked Jesus directly: “Are you the Christ, the Son of God?” Jesus responded affirmatively, saying, "You have said so," and also added that they would see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven (referencing Daniel 7:13).

Why did the High Priest not lay your charge of him calling himself God?
Why did Jesus not refer to himself as God?
Why instead does Jesus use his preferred title "Son of Man" (80 times! compared to 5 x Son of God)

If you respond without addressing these questions and facts, don't be surprised if I lose interest.

F2F

 

[MonoBiblical]

I did use it, and I found a post where you said that Jesus's answer to the Pharisee's question, "You are not yet fifty years old! Have you seen Abraham?" (Jn. 8:57), was about preeminence, not preexistence. However, Jesus explicitly said that He existed before Abraham was born, and referred to Himself as "I AM", the name of God: "God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you" (Ex. 3:13-14). It's because the Pharisees understood that Jesus was saying He's God that they attempted to stone him for blasphemy. (Jn. 8:59)

I just love how I is part of your God's name. I AM is a lame and selfish name which didn't happen.

Exodus LXX 3:14 καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν καὶ εἶπεν οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ισραηλ ὁ ὢν ἀπέσταλκέν με πρὸς ὑμᾶς

 

[Hobie]

Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

Yes? Please offer Scriptural Quote.

Glory to God,
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When Jesus said He was "I Am" and the Jews immediately understood what He was claiming and picked up rocks to stone Him for His declaration...

 

[MonoBiblical]

When Jesus said He was "I Am" and the Jews immediately understood what He was claiming and picked up rocks to stone Him for His declaration...

It wasn't about Godhood and notice it doesn't say Israelites. hint hint

 

[Hobie]

i have noticed that there are those who claim to have the 'spirit' of God but they deny the Lord Jesus Christ

They do not deny that he was a real person - rather they deny His words and even use His words against Him

Did not the pharisees do the same!

It is a unclean spirit but they do not discern..

 

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In Colossians 1:18, for example, when it says that Christ is "the head of the body, the church," and "that in all things He might have the preeminence," it means that Christ is most important and above all others in the Body and in all creation (except his Creator the Almighty God).

It means what it says…
Christ is the Head of “His newly Established Church”…and “it’s newly Established Members”…. (JEWS and GENTILES)
….WHO have “Received” Their SALVATION, Before Physical Death…
* Are Baptized By the Lamb.
*. no one can TAKE From Christ.
* The Lord Shall RAISE up (Rapture), those Body’s.

And the the Head of the Physically Dead Faithful Israelites…and continuing Living ISRAELITES and Gentiles who Physically Die Believing IN God, IN Jesus’ Existence…
Shall After Physical Death…
* Be Baptized By God.
* no one can TAKE them From God.
* God Shall Raise Them up After the millennial Reign…(First Resurrection).

No, God did NOT “create” Christ Jesus

* God Creates AND Makes (possibilities) For His Creations.
* God … Foretells…Knowledge
* God … Establishes…Descriptions, Names, Titles.
* God … Reveals…
* And “IF”…an Individual…(Believes, Commits his Belief…)
* That individual
* WITH Christ…WILL…Receive his Salvation…
AND Understanding…Before Physical Death…
OR
* WITH God …WILL…Receive his Salvation AND Understanding…After Physical Death.
….WITH neither…?
* WILL…Receive Understanding AFTER Death…Believe…And “According TO their lifetime compiled and recorded “Evidence”and “Judgement per the Evidence”…
Be sentenced to Damnation…eternal destruction and separation From God.

Everything Was Created AND Made By, through, Of God…in 6 Days.

The Re-MAKING …of what has Become Corrupt… Is Offered…and ….FEW Accept and enjoy the Benefit.

God did NOT… create…or make…His Existence…His Word, His Power, His Wisdom, His Light, His Seed, etc.
But God DID REVEAL…and IDENTIFY…His Word, Power, Wisdom, Light, Seed, etc. with Names, Titles, Descriptions God Established…and Revealed the Knowledge …to Whom and WHEN, According to God ORDER and Way.

Glory to God,
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