Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[David in NJ]

Jesus is saying NEITHER that he is good NOR that he is not good here. So if this is what you trumpet as Jesus claiming to be God (= good), I have to put it in the "dumb" category.

You are missing out on the Truth that JESUS is trying to get us to SEE

Brother @Johann understands that the Torah is Truth and the Torah SPEAKS of MESSIAH

Therefore, from the Torah, the LORD is Speaking to this young Hebrew rich man = something that is MONUMENTAL

@Johann, do you know what JESUS is showing us in this passage by which the Lord quotes from the Torah???

 

[David in NJ]

John 17:
[1] These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
[2] As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
[3] And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 8:
[54] Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Not Ignored…
Rather “UNDERSTOOD”!

Jesus was SENT….from Heaven, out of Gods mouth, in a HUMBLED BODY God PREPARED, For His WORD, In the Likeness FORM “AS” a human earthly man.
For Human earthly men TO SEE and HEAR.
And FOR THAT prepared BODY to be Given unto Death…FOR the Life OF ANY human man, Who chooses to Accept Gods OFFERED prepared Body…That Such human man, would GAIN a Forever Life WITH God!

Once That Body was Killed Dead.. That Body’s Task WAS Accomplished….it’s Task was Finished!

John 19:
[28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

[30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


God IN Heaven…Honored His own WORD Jesus…
For Teaching human men…How to Honor God.

What you should have Learned…
Is God Does Not Honor His Creations.
Gods Word teaches the Created to Honor God.
God Honored His Own Word.
The highest One For anyone TO Honor…
Is To Honor He who IS the Highest…ie.
He Who IS God Himself!

You should have Learned…God HONORING Gods OWN Word JESUS…
Was precisely God Honoring Himself….
Because there is None Higher…
God IS His Own God…
God Honors His OWN self.
God Swears by Himself…His OWN Word.
(Heb 6:13)
Gods Word is Gods Own Self
(John 1:1)

Do you Not Get… Spirits have the Power to Appear to the Eyes OF human men…in the form, shape, body that looks LIKE a human mans Form, shape, body?

If a Human man puts on his body…a gorilla suit, grunts like a gorilla, walks like a gorilla,
Eats with his fingers….
Are you seriously fooled…and think that human man, IS a gorilla?

Are you seriously, without Understanding, the Body Gods Word took upon Himself…didn’t Know His TASK…was to Precisely BE See by Human men…?

Jesus of course Knew…He and His Father Are One…He said so

Jesus of course knew He and His Father Are EQUAL…

Phil 2;
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Glory to God,
Taken

Phil 2;
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Synopsis:
JESUS thought it not robbery to be equal with His FATHER/God:
Based on this evidence of Origin it places the onus
on those who deny the Divinity of Christ to escape the condemnation of attempting to steal from God the Glory due to Him from His creation that was made in His image.

option a - "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy.
Option B - "I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."

 

[RedFan]

Brother @Johann understands that the Torah is Truth and the Torah SPEAKS of MESSIAH

Brother @Johann is way smarter than me, then, because I don't see the Torah speaking of Jesus as Messiah. The word מָשִׁיחַ ("mashiakh") is found four times in the Torah (Exodus 28:41. Exodus 40:15, Leviticus 4:3, Numbers 3:3), and each time it refers to the anointing of a priest.

 

[David in NJ]

Brother @Johann is way smarter than me, then, because I don't see the Torah speaking of Jesus as Messiah. The word מָשִׁיחַ ("mashiakh") is found four times in the Torah (Exodus 28:41. Exodus 40:15, Leviticus 4:3, Numbers 3:3), and each time it refers to the anointing of a priest.

Hopefully, Brother @Johann will share with us.

CLUE #1 - Revealing the Truth in the passage are the Commandments

CLUE #2 - this passage of Scripture is not about JESUS as Messiah but rather JESUS as Elohim

 

[RedFan]

CLUE #1 - Revealing the Truth in the passage are the Commandments

Revealing the Truth in WHAT passage are the Commandments?

 

[David in NJ]

Hopefully, Brother @Johann will share with us.

CLUE #1 - Revealing the Truth in the passage are the Commandments

CLUE #2 - this passage of Scripture is not about JESUS as Messiah but rather JESUS as Elohim

Post #800 is UPdated for you

 

[David in NJ]

Revealing the Truth in WHAT passage are the Commandments?

The passage which declares JESUS is Elohim

Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

19So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. 20You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”

21And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”

22So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

23But when he heard this, he became very sorrowful, for he was very rich.

 

[RedFan]

The passage which declares JESUS is Elohim

Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

19So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. 20You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”

21And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”

22So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

23But when he heard this, he became very sorrowful, for he was very rich.

We've been though this before. Nothing in this passage indicates that Jesus is declaring himself to be good (= God).

 

[Wrangler]

John 17:

You just re-quote the first 3 verses but ignore the implications for the trinity heresy. Nice!

 

[RedFan]

Post #800 is UPdated for you

So when you said in Post #797 that "Torah SPEAKS of MESSIAH" you were just creating a diversion? What was the point of that comment?

 

[David in NJ]

We've been though this before. Nothing in this passage indicates that Jesus is declaring himself to be good (= God).

It is THERE
Right now you're eyes are closed due to your thought process being governed by a foreign entity = unbelief

SEE = "But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions."

 

[David in NJ]

So when you said in Post #797 that "Torah SPEAKS of MESSIAH" you were just creating a diversion? What was the point of that comment?

Not intentional and my morning coffee did not 'kick-in' until now

The Torah BEGINS with Elohim/Plural = which the Scripture passage we are on VALIDATES Jesus as Elohim with His FATHER

 

[RedFan]

It is THERE
Right now you're eyes are closed due to your thought process being governed by a foreign entity = unbelief

SEE = "But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions."

I see a rich man preferring possessions to charity. What has that got to do with the divinity of Christ?

 

[David in NJ]

I see a rich man preferring possessions to charity. What has that got to do with the divinity of Christ?

the Commandments are the CLUE

the young rich man walked away from Immannuel = God with us = Eternal LIFE

 

[RedFan]

the Commandments are the CLUE

the young rich man walked away from Immannuel = God with us = Eternal LIFE

Yes, I know. And the reason I know has nothing to do with this passage, in which Jesus does NOT declare himself to be Immannuel = God with us = Eternal LIFE. We know that from other passages (none of which have anything to do with the Commandments).

 

[Taken]

You just re-quote the first 3 verses but ignore the implications for the trinity heresy. Nice!

I quoted the exact verses you mentioned.

You did not acknowledge..Gods Word is God..,God named His Word …JESUS…Gods Word came forth out of Gods mouth…and was Sent to Earth in the Body God prepared. Nor answer the questions asked.

If you are converted. … which you also never answered….not How.

Newsflash…The New restored Earth Shall be occupied by everlasting Converted, Living men, Declared “sons of God”…with Their Mighty God…Jesus the Everlasting FATHER…

Isa 9:
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Glory to the Lord God Almighty;
He who IS, He who WAS, He who IS to Come!

John 18:
[8] Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he:


Taken

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, I know. And the reason I know has nothing to do with this passage, in which Jesus does NOT declare himself to be Immannuel = God with us = Eternal LIFE. We know that from other passages (none of which have anything to do with the Commandments).

Well, you will remain at your present location until the Holy Spirit opens your understanding or when you get to Heaven and all the blinders are removed.

@RLT63 - you are invited to the conversation and the Truth challenge concerning Matt 19:13-22

 

[David in NJ]

I quoted the exact verses you mentioned.

You did not acknowledge..Gods Word is God..,God named His Word …JESUS…Gods Word came forth out of Gods mouth…and was Sent to Earth in the Body God prepared. Nor answer the questions asked.

If you are converted. … which you also never answered….not How.

Newsflash…The New restored Earth Shall be occupied by everlasting Converted, Living men, Declared “sons of God”…with Their Mighty God…Jesus the Everlasting FATHER…

Isa 9:
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Glory to the Lord God Almighty;
He who IS, He who WAS, He who IS to Come!

John 18:
[8] Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he:


Taken

The monotheistic Jews wanted to kill JESUS for saying: "I am HE"

They knew what JESUS was equating Himself to from Torah

 

[amigo de christo]

This is Today's LOL x100 = thank you

Can you please READ this again:

Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”

19So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. 20You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”

21And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”

22So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

23But when he heard this, he became very sorrowful, for he was very rich.

A golden nugget indeed my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Well, you will remain at your present location until the Holy Spirit opens your understanding or when you get to Heaven and all the blinders are removed.

@RLT63 - you are invited to the conversation and the Truth challenge concerning Matt 19:13-22

Oh my dear friend
Many will remain at their present condition
having eyes but see not
having ears but hear not .
And while its truth that On the day of the LORD the sheep and the goats will stand before him .
All seeing the VERY TRUTH in front of them . Not a goat one gonna hear well done enter in ........
There is good reason i remind us of what we already know .
David , many there be that are in deadly dire danger of eternal damnation .
And though they might even sing the song , when we all get to heaven , We shall shout the victory
many have denied the true image of GOD and followed another jesus , another spirit , another gospel .
THEY WONT SINGING IN HEAVEN DAVID but rather screaming in eternal judgement .
Now that might sound a lil grave , a lil hard stance , maybe even judgemental to most .
BUT ITS REALITY friend . FELIX TREMBLED when paul witnessed . aint a darn thing wrong with being grave .