TODAY IS NOT GOD'S GATHERING OF ISRAEL

[Davy]

WARNING BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

Orthodox religious Jews, especially in today's Jerusalem since Israel became a nation again by U.N. vote in 1948, are pushing the lie that God is doing their final 'gathering' of His people there today, and that many prophecies about that event written in the Old Testament prophets is being fulfilled right now, in this present world time. And along with their wrongly believing that, they are planning to build their 3rd stone temple in today's Jerusalem, and already have the materials ready to start building it.

If you know your Bible history about God's split of the old kingdom of Israel into two separate kingdoms, the southern "kingdom of Judah" (or "house of Judah"), and the northern "kingdom of Israel" (or "house of Israel"), the understand that the nation state called Israel today in the middle east represents ONLY the JEWS of the "house of Judah".

The LARGEST PORTION of the children of Israel, i.e., the ten lost tribes of the "house of Israel", are STILL SCATTERED out of the holy land today, and will ONLY be gathered on the day when Jesus returns in our near future.

Bible prophecy Lord Jesus Christ gave for the very end of this world in His Olivet discourse reveals the requirement of a standing Jewish stone temple in Jerusalem for the "abomination of desolation" IDOL to be placed by that coming "man of sin" which Apostle Paul warned us that is coming to play God there. If you want to know how our Heavenly Father feels about that future IDOL in Jerusalem at the end of this world, see the Ezekiel 8 & 9 Chapters.

Because the majority of those Orthodox Jews reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, God is going to send them "strong delusion" in the form of a false-Messiah. And that will happen before Lord Jesus Christ's actual future coming after that. It's like Lord Jesus said, "I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." (John 5:43)

This is most likely why some Jews have come here to a Christian forum to try and dispel any revelation about this matter, and especially against any idea that the Revelation 17 Babylon Harlot "great city" is JERUALEM for when that coming "man of sin" shows up there playing God.

The city of Jerusalem has been sieged 27 times through its history, and it is prophesied to go through a final 28th siege at the end of this world. That will be when that "man of sin" false-Messiah shows up there playing Messiah, working the great signs and wonders that Lord Jesus warned us about (Matthew 24:23-26).

 

[Luther7]

WARNING BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

Orthodox religious Jews, especially in today's Jerusalem since Israel became a nation again by U.N. vote in 1948, are pushing the lie that God is doing their final 'gathering' of His people there today, and that many prophecies about that event written in the Old Testament prophets is being fulfilled right now, in this present world time. And along with their wrongly believing that, they are planning to build their 3rd stone temple in today's Jerusalem, and already have the materials ready to start building it.

If you know your Bible history about God's split of the old kingdom of Israel into two separate kingdoms, the southern "kingdom of Judah" (or "house of Judah"), and the northern "kingdom of Israel" (or "house of Israel"), the understand that the nation state called Israel today in the middle east represents ONLY the JEWS of the "house of Judah".

The LARGEST PORTION of the children of Israel, i.e., the ten lost tribes of the "house of Israel", are STILL SCATTERED out of the holy land today, and will ONLY be gathered on the day when Jesus returns in our near future.

Bible prophecy Lord Jesus Christ gave for the very end of this world in His Olivet discourse reveals the requirement of a standing Jewish stone temple in Jerusalem for the "abomination of desolation" IDOL to be placed by that coming "man of sin" which Apostle Paul warned us that is coming to play God there. If you want to know how our Heavenly Father feels about that future IDOL in Jerusalem at the end of this world, see the Ezekiel 8 & 9 Chapters.

Because the majority of those Orthodox Jews reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, God is going to send them "strong delusion" in the form of a false-Messiah. And that will happen before Lord Jesus Christ's actual future coming after that. It's like Lord Jesus said, "I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." (John 5:43)

This is most likely why some Jews have come here to a Christian forum to try and dispel any revelation about this matter, and especially against any idea that the Revelation 17 Babylon Harlot "great city" is JERUALEM for when that coming "man of sin" shows up there playing God.

The city of Jerusalem has been sieged 27 times through its history, and it is prophesied to go through a final 28th siege at the end of this world. That will be when that "man of sin" false-Messiah shows up there playing Messiah, working the great signs and wonders that Lord Jesus warned us about (Matthew 24:23-26).

I'm sorry but it will be professing Christians that will be under strong delusion, worshipping the jewish " moschiach"

 

[Davy]

I'm sorry but it will be professing Christians that will be under strong delusion, worshipping the jewish " moschiach"

Deceived Judah will likewise fall into that apostasy trap of the coming false-Messiah.

 

[stevesonthebay]

It seems at present we have a natural and practical response to the evil terror that has been inflicted on the world in recent decades.

It was inevitable that radical Islamist ideology was always going to be fullfilled. Radical Islam comes naturally out of its logical conclusion from the beginning. Its just now enough time has gone by that it is being realised.

So the recent actions against Islamist terror is a pragmatic reaction under the circumstances.

This is the ultimate confrontation that was put off by past free nations and even encouraging such a situation. But its right at our doorsteps right now as a result of past actions or lack there of.

Now the sides are being defined. You are either with the west and its ideas of freedoms and democracy and all that goes with it such as capitalism and materialism. Or you are not.

Russia and China have always been opposed to the west. But it seems Russia has more a history related to God and the Jews. But it has restrained itself.

But now it seems that Iran is being deminished the Bear is awakening and being brought into the conflict ideologically. Not just politically.

Whether that means militarily I don't know. But certainly this has brought in a spiritual aspect due to the world now forming ideological allied groups of nations against the west. Whether that's happened through Islamist or political ideology such as Socialism or Communism.

I think Russia will hold back and allow Iran to be defeated. This may lead to peace in the Middle East. It may also lead to the Jews having more sway or opportunity to take back their most holy place if this defeat of Islam is widespread.

I think this is where the inspiritaion and practical opportunity will come in building the 3rd Temple.

It is only after all this that things will go pear shaped. Because the defeat of Islam and the Socialist agenda will not be complete and as we know they regather and come back even more radical.

These defeated Islamist regimes will ally with Russia and other powers to come back with even greater force causing a major conflict in the Middle East and against Isreal. Part of that may be the retaking of Gods Holy place for a time.

 

[Luther7]

Deceived Judah will likewise fall into that apostasy trap of the coming false-Messiah.

Davy, you say " Judah" as if there is an actual tribe of Judah in existence today. Like we all know, it would be impossible for any nation of people to maintain a pure bloodline after thousands of years.
God uses the language of the Old Testament in a spiritual, prophetic way that leads us to Christ and His Covenant. The New Covenant is the fulfillment of the Old, we all know that. Why then are we trying to revive a nation that has no place in God's salvation plan?

 

[Davy]

Davy, you say " Judah" as if there is an actual tribe of Judah in existence today.

So I guess you want to be 'spoon fed', baby Christian...

The following is God speaking through His prophet Ahijah to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim when giving Jeroboam to be king of Israel over the northern kingdom of ten tribes, which would then be known as the "kingdom of Israel".

1 Kings 11:31-37
31 And he said to Jeroboam, "Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
32 (But he shall have one tribe for My servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:)

That "he" above is about Solomon and his offspring Rehoboam, king of Judah. When God did that split of old Israel, Solomon's son Rehoboam had become king over all Israel. And that means he was descended from the tribe of Judah, of the house of David. Then at the split, Rehoboam became king at Jerusalem only... over the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, and his kingdom was called the "kingdom of Judah".

33 Because that they have forsaken Me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in My ways, to do that which is right in Mine eyes, and to keep My statutes and My judgments, as did David his father.

34 Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David My servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept My commandments and My statutes:

35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son's hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes.

36 And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David My servant may have a light alway before Me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen Me to put My name there.

The above is where God told Jeroboam of Ephraim that He would leave "one tribe" at Jerusalem so that David would have a light always before God in Jerusalem. That would be the tribe of JUDAH. And since the tribes of Benjamin, and Levi, became joined with the tribe of Judah there at Jerusalem under Solomon's son Rehoboam, that meant them also, they are there still today in Jerusalem with Judah.

37 And I will take thee, and thou shalt reign according to all that thy soul desireth, and shalt be king over Israel.
KJV

That is God giving ten tribes to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to rule over in the northern lands, and become "king over Israel". That name "Israel" follows where the ten tribes are, even to this day.

 

[Davy]

OK, since when God gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to reign over TEN TRIBES as "king of Israel", and the kingdom was called the "kingdom of Israel", that has to mean that title of ISRAEL follows with those TEN TRIBES, wherever they are.

And since God through His Old Testament prophets was clear that the TEN TRIBES of ISRAEL will still exist somewhere in the world all the way... up to Christ's future return when He will gather them, that means the ISRAEL of the TEN TRIBES is still somewhere... in the world today. The matter then is, the majority of the TEN TRIBES do not know about their heritage as ISRAEL from the old kingdom of Israel before God rent the kingdom in Solomon's day. That is why still today they are called the TEN LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL.

The Jews of the southern "kingdom of Judah" did not... lose their heritage as part of Israel. While the Jews of the 3-tribe "house of Judah" kept their heritage, and knowledge of God's feast days, new moons, and sabbaths, the TEN TRIBES of ISRAEL did not keep knowledge of those things, but instead picked up pagan ideas, like Easter, which name is from an old pagan religious-sexual fertility rite. (It became a Christian holiday to represent Christ's death and resurrection, and was made so when many pagans who had kept a pagan-Easter were converting to Christ).

 

[Luther7]

OK, since when God gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to reign over TEN TRIBES as "king of Israel", and the kingdom was called the "kingdom of Israel", that has to mean that title of ISRAEL follows with those TEN TRIBES, wherever they are.

And since God through His Old Testament prophets was clear that the TEN TRIBES of ISRAEL will still exist somewhere in the world all the way... up to Christ's future return when He will gather them, that means the ISRAEL of the TEN TRIBES is still somewhere... in the world today. The matter then is, the majority of the TEN TRIBES do not know about their heritage as ISRAEL from the old kingdom of Israel before God rent the kingdom in Solomon's day. That is why still today they are called the TEN LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL.

The Jews of the southern "kingdom of Judah" did not... lose their heritage as part of Israel. While the Jews of the 3-tribe "house of Judah" kept their heritage, and knowledge of God's feast days, new moons, and sabbaths, the TEN TRIBES of ISRAEL did not keep knowledge of those things, but instead picked up pagan ideas, like Easter, which name is from an old pagan religious-sexual fertility rite. (It became a Christian holiday to represent Christ's death and resurrection, and was made so when many pagans who had kept a pagan-Easter were converting to Christ).

Do you realize what Judaism is? It has nothing to do with God's Word. Any semblance of OT scripture is perverted in their massive commentary called the talmud.

Actually everything you read in that " book" is antithetical to God's perfect law. Not to mention the demonic kabbalah. Very anti- Christ.

 

[Davy]

Do you realize what Judaism is? It has nothing to do with God's Word. Any semblance of OT scripture is perverted in their massive commentary called the talmud.

Actually everything you read in that " book" is antithetical to God's perfect law. Not to mention the demonic kabbalah. Very anti- Christ.

Yes, I agree, and I have read from both, even though I am not Jewish.

Those things began with Judah's captivity to Babylon. That's why the Talmud is called The Babylonian Talmud. The scribes of Israel were foreigners of the land of Canaan, and the bondservant Canaanites which Israel failed to destroy by God's command had crept in among Judah and became temple servants, called Nethinims, cutters of wood and drawers of water for the Levites. Some of them became priests while in Babylon. Also while in Babylon, the actual shape of Hebrew characters were changed. The old paelo-Hebrew characters looked more like the old graphic representation of ancient characters, and not like the later Hebrew block letter design. During the Babylon captivity is when the doctrines of Judaism crept in, the traditions of men that Jesus rebuked.

 

[Luther7]

Yes, I agree, and I have read from both, even though I am not Jewish.

Those things began with Judah's captivity to Babylon. That's why the Talmud is called The Babylonian Talmud. The scribes of Israel were foreigners of the land of Canaan, and the bondservant Canaanites which Israel failed to destroy by God's command had crept in among Judah and became temple servants, called Nethinims, cutters of wood and drawers of water for the Levites. Some of them became priests while in Babylon. Also while in Babylon, the actual shape of Hebrew characters were changed. The old paelo-Hebrew characters looked more like the old graphic representation of ancient characters, and not like the later Hebrew block letter design. During the Babylon captivity is when the doctrines of Judaism crept in, the traditions of men that Jesus rebuked.

Bingo. And it remains today more oppressive than ever. If you only read what Martin Luther, 500 years ago, had to say about it/ them.

We have to trust in God 100% that His plan to use this " nation within nations" will glorify HIM at the last day, which of course it will.

When my eyes were opened to the truth of this collective body and their end time goal, I took a "truther look" into history and realized how deceived the " goyim" actually are. It goes FAR BEYOND the Gaza genocide as if that wasn't enough. Murder is deeply rooted into their system because the chief murderer has guided them since Cain.

It's not so much a name as it is a movement of evil, which God is allowing for His purpose and glory. We get stuck on the name " jews", as if they are untouchable for all the atrocities they have committed to humanity. And it is so heartbreaking. For Example, I think of the last emporer, Nicholas II and what he and his beautiful family suffered at the hands of deranged communist Zionist jews. And they gloated over it. They weren't Russians, they were jews.
Just like the current Ukrainian war. The government is not Ukrainian. Just like our government since Woodrow Wilson....not American. Politicians have bent their knee to the ones who write their paycheck ( and blackmail them if money is not enough).

So is it every jew that comes with this doctrine? Of course not. BUT HERE IS THE PROBLEM. When the top supremecist jews reveal the new world government, they will not be with us. Because they are a NATION WITHIN NATIONS, and they look out for each other. We are garbage in their sight.

And having said all of this, I follow Christ's command to love my enemy. I have no ill will against them. They are serving an end time calling.

 

[Trekson]

WARNING BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

Orthodox religious Jews, especially in today's Jerusalem since Israel became a nation again by U.N. vote in 1948, are pushing the lie that God is doing their final 'gathering' of His people there today, and that many prophecies about that event written in the Old Testament prophets is being fulfilled right now, in this present world time. And along with their wrongly believing that, they are planning to build their 3rd stone temple in today's Jerusalem, and already have the materials ready to start building it.

If you know your Bible history about God's split of the old kingdom of Israel into two separate kingdoms, the southern "kingdom of Judah" (or "house of Judah"), and the northern "kingdom of Israel" (or "house of Israel"), the understand that the nation state called Israel today in the middle east represents ONLY the JEWS of the "house of Judah".

The LARGEST PORTION of the children of Israel, i.e., the ten lost tribes of the "house of Israel", are STILL SCATTERED out of the holy land today, and will ONLY be gathered on the day when Jesus returns in our near future.

Bible prophecy Lord Jesus Christ gave for the very end of this world in His Olivet discourse reveals the requirement of a standing Jewish stone temple in Jerusalem for the "abomination of desolation" IDOL to be placed by that coming "man of sin" which Apostle Paul warned us that is coming to play God there. If you want to know how our Heavenly Father feels about that future IDOL in Jerusalem at the end of this world, see the Ezekiel 8 & 9 Chapters.

Because the majority of those Orthodox Jews reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, God is going to send them "strong delusion" in the form of a false-Messiah. And that will happen before Lord Jesus Christ's actual future coming after that. It's like Lord Jesus said, "I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." (John 5:43)

This is most likely why some Jews have come here to a Christian forum to try and dispel any revelation about this matter, and especially against any idea that the Revelation 17 Babylon Harlot "great city" is JERUALEM for when that coming "man of sin" shows up there playing God.

The city of Jerusalem has been sieged 27 times through its history, and it is prophesied to go through a final 28th siege at the end of this world. That will be when that "man of sin" false-Messiah shows up there playing Messiah, working the great signs and wonders that Lord Jesus warned us about (Matthew 24:23-26).

I agree w/ one thing they say though, Jerusalem is "not" the Babylon of Rev. 17.

 

[Davy]

Bingo. And it remains today more oppressive than ever. If you only read what Martin Luther, 500 years ago, had to say about it/ them.

We have to trust in God 100% that His plan to use this " nation within nations" will glorify HIM at the last day, which of course it will.

When my eyes were opened to the truth of this collective body and their end time goal, I took a "truther look" into history and realized how deceived the " goyim" actually are. It goes FAR BEYOND the Gaza genocide as if that wasn't enough. Murder is deeply rooted into their system because the chief murderer has guided them since Cain.

It's not so much a name as it is a movement of evil, which God is allowing for His purpose and glory. We get stuck on the name " jews", as if they are untouchable for all the atrocities they have committed to humanity. And it is so heartbreaking. For Example, I think of the last emporer, Nicholas II and what he and his beautiful family suffered at the hands of deranged communist Zionist jews. And they gloated over it. They weren't Russians, they were jews.
Just like the current Ukrainian war. The government is not Ukrainian. Just like our government since Woodrow Wilson....not American. Politicians have bent their knee to the ones who write their paycheck ( and blackmail them if money is not enough).

So is it every jew that comes with this doctrine? Of course not. BUT HERE IS THE PROBLEM. When the top supremecist jews reveal the new world government, they will not be with us. Because they are a NATION WITHIN NATIONS, and they look out for each other. We are garbage in their sight.

And having said all of this, I follow Christ's command to love my enemy. I have no ill will against them. They are serving an end time calling.

Lord Jesus in Rev.2 & 3 called them the "synagogue of Satan", and that they only 'say'... they are Jews, but are not. So if we look back at the history of the nations of Canaan, those represented Satan's little workers here on earth ready to contest God's plans for the children of Israel crossing the Jordan into the lands of Canaan which God gave the Israelites.

However, the REAL Jews of the literal tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, are all Israelites of the Seed, like the Apostles and early Church at Jerusalem and many of the people, and still does exist. All those who returned to Jerusalem from the Babylon captivity used the title of Jew for themselves (per the Jewish historian Josephus). The difference is that some of them are truly Israelites of the Seed of the Woman, and some of them are the crept in unawares like the pagan nations of Canaan.

Genesis 12:6 when Abram entered the land of Canaan, it says the Canaanite was then in the land, as if they were there waiting, well knowing who Abram was and Abram's seed that would be born through him.

In the last verse of Zechariah 14, which is a future view of Christ's Millennial reign, it says the Canaanite will no more be in the house of God. That is evidence of Satan's workers, the Canaanites, having crept in among the children of Israel, and in particular Israel's priesthood and the seat of Moses, the law. They claim to be Jews, but are not. They are the symbolic "tares" hidden among the good wheat (Judah) per Jesus' parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13. And yes, they are working the negative side of God's Plan, which no doubt is why in the parable of the tares the owner said to not harvest the tares until harvest time, but let them grow with the wheat until harvest, then separate them at harvest, and cast them into the fire, but bring His wheat into His barn.

 

[Luther7]

Lord Jesus in Rev.2 & 3 called them the "synagogue of Satan", and that they only 'say'... they are Jews, but are not. So if we look back at the history of the nations of Canaan, those represented Satan's little workers here on earth ready to contest God's plans for the children of Israel crossing the Jordan into the lands of Canaan which God gave the Israelites.

However, the REAL Jews of the literal tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, are all Israelites of the Seed, like the Apostles and early Church at Jerusalem and many of the people, and still does exist. All those who returned to Jerusalem from the Babylon captivity used the title of Jew for themselves (per the Jewish historian Josephus). The difference is that some of them are truly Israelites of the Seed of the Woman, and some of them are the crept in unawares like the pagan nations of Canaan.

Genesis 12:6 when Abram entered the land of Canaan, it says the Canaanite was then in the land, as if they were there waiting, well knowing who Abram was and Abram's seed that would be born through him.

In the last verse of Zechariah 14, which is a future view of Christ's Millennial reign, it says the Canaanite will no more be in the house of God. That is evidence of Satan's workers, the Canaanites, having crept in among the children of Israel, and in particular Israel's priesthood and the seat of Moses, the law. They claim to be Jews, but are not. They are the symbolic "tares" hidden among the good wheat (Judah) per Jesus' parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13. And yes, they are working the negative side of God's Plan, which no doubt is why in the parable of the tares the owner said to not harvest the tares until harvest time, but let them grow with the wheat until harvest, then separate them at harvest, and cast them into the fire, but bring His wheat into His barn.

We certainly agree on certain things. I just don't believe that there is an actual anscestoral" people of Israel today. I believe that they became very assimilated into the nations of the world, and no longer practice the Biblical based Old Testament religion they once did. But we're they even obedient to God for a substantial period of time?
Anyway if there is no genuinely " somewhat" preserved seed of Israel ( remember for over 2500 years they have been mixing with other nations) how can anyone take the promises for Christ's seed in the Old Testament and bestow them upon these nasty people with no regard for anyone else but themselves, and reject JESUS CHRIST so much that their religion teaches DESPICABLE things that are being done to Him , OUR LORD AND SAVIOR!

Sorry, I see no parallels or promises between these people and God's plan of salvation, complete through Jesus Christ. He should be our focus.

 

[Davy]

We certainly agree on certain things. I just don't believe that there is an actual anscestoral" people of Israel today. I believe that they became very assimilated into the nations of the world, and no longer practice the Biblical based Old Testament religion they once did. But we're they even obedient to God for a substantial period of time?
Anyway if there is no genuinely " somewhat" preserved seed of Israel ( remember for over 2500 years they have been mixing with other nations) how can anyone take the promises for Christ's seed in the Old Testament and bestow them upon these nasty people with no regard for anyone else but themselves, and reject JESUS CHRIST so much that their religion teaches DESPICABLE things that are being done to Him , OUR LORD AND SAVIOR!

Sorry, I see no parallels or promises between these people and God's plan of salvation, complete through Jesus Christ. He should be our focus.

Well, I not only believe, but I 'know'... the real seed of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and even all the other tribes of Israel, all still exist to this day. It's because of prophecy God gave in His Word, and I believe what our Heavenly Father says in His Word.

What you're saying about the Jews having mixed beyond their identity some say the very same thing about the ten lost tribes. Yet the Ezekiel 37 chapter of God telling Ezekiel to use two separate sticks joining as a symbol for His future gathering of all 12 tribes back to the holy land is plenty enough proof from God for me that they MUST still exist in order for that to happen in our near future.

 

[Luther7]

We certainly agree on certain things. I just don't believe that there is an actual anscestoral" people of Israel today. I believe that they became very assimilated into the nations of the world, and no longer practice the Biblical based Old Testament religion they once did. But we're they even obedient to God for a substantial period of time?
Anyway if there is no genuinely " somewhat" preserved seed of Israel ( remember for over 2500 years they have been mixing with other nations) how can anyone take the promises for Christ's seed in the Old Testament and bestow them upon these nasty people with no regard for anyone else but themselves, and reject JESUS CHRIST so much that their religion teaches DESPICABLE things that are being done to Him , OUR LORD AND SAVIOR!

Sorry, I see no parallels or promises between these people and God's plan of salvation, complete through Jesus Christ. He should be our focus.

You said:
"They are the symbolic "tares" hidden among the good wheat (Judah) per Jesus' parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13. "

Well, I not only believe, but I 'know'... the real seed of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and even all the other tribes of Israel, all still exist to this day. It's because of prophecy God gave in His Word, and I believe what our Heavenly Father says in His Word.

What you're saying about the Jews having mixed beyond their identity some say the very same thing about the ten lost tribes. Yet the Ezekiel 37 chapter of God telling Ezekiel to use two separate sticks joining as a symbol for His future gathering of all 12 tribes back to the holy land is plenty enough proof from God for me that they MUST still exist in order for that to happen in our near future.

You said: "It's because of prophecy God gave in His Word...."
The prophecy is spiritual.....a spiritual fulfillment. The physical people lost their kingdom and were scattered into the world because God was done with them, and they were not to ever establish a nation of their own again.

Matthew 21:42-43:
Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone which the builders rejected
has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord's doing,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and it shall be given to a nation producing the fruits of it.


There are, however about 100,000 Jews ( the Kairites), mostly from Palestine, that understand this and are waiting for their messiah, according to the Bible ( But He already came, Hallelujah). They are totally against Israel 1948, which was a political/ terrorist acquisition.It did not have God's blessing.

Those " ten lost tribes" are mostly European at this point. Remember, only a REMNANT from all nations will be saved, not a "nation of people" from all nations.

 

[Luther7]

You said:
"They are the symbolic "tares" hidden among the good wheat (Judah) per Jesus' parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13. "

You said: "It's because of prophecy God gave in His Word...."
The prophecy is spiritual.....a spiritual fulfillment. The physical people lost their kingdom and were scattered into the world because God was done with them, and they were not to ever establish a nation of their own again.

Matthew 21:42-43:
Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone which the builders rejected
has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord's doing,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and it shall be given to a nation producing the fruits of it.


There are, however about 100,000 Jews ( the Kairites), mostly from Palestine, that understand this and are waiting for their messiah, according to the Bible ( But He already came, Hallelujah). They are totally against Israel 1948, which was a political/ terrorist acquisition.It did not have God's blessing.

Those " ten lost tribes" are mostly European at this point. Remember, only a REMNANT from all nations will be saved, not a "nation of people" from all nations.

You said:
"They are the symbolic "tares" hidden among the good wheat (Judah) per Jesus' parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13. "

I don't believe this is a reference to " judah" being the wheat amongst the tares. It appears to be the harvest of all of those in Christ at the end of the world.

 

[Davy]

You said:
"They are the symbolic "tares" hidden among the good wheat (Judah) per Jesus' parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13. "

You said: "It's because of prophecy God gave in His Word...."
The prophecy is spiritual.....a spiritual fulfillment.

OK Origen. Do you know who the early Church father Origen of Alexandria was? He got into trouble with the early Church because he allegorized literal events written in God's Word. "Oh, that was a spiritual fulfillment," is only an excuse to pass off what God has said will literally happen. When something written in God's Word actually is an 'allegory', God's Word gives examples to show it is a metaphor or parable or allegory. We don't have to wonder, but just use our common sense when that happens.

Thus God's Promise to return all 12 tribes of Israel back to the holy land in final on the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns, is a literal prophecy written in many Books of God's prophets. It is not allegory. So your 'forced' denial of those prophecies are preventing you from rightly dividing God's Word in your Bible study.

 

[Davy]

You said:
"They are the symbolic "tares" hidden among the good wheat (Judah) per Jesus' parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13. "

I don't believe this is a reference to " judah" being the wheat amongst the tares. It appears to be the harvest of all of those in Christ at the end of the world.

It's a reference to the good seed which God sowed, as said by Lord Jesus Himself.

In that same Matthew 13 Chapter, after Jesus had given His parable of the wheat and the tares among the multitude, He and His disciples entered a house and they then asked Him to 'explain' that parable. Jesus did, and an explanation means exactly that, not another parable...

Matt 13:36-40
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, "Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."

37 He answered and said unto them, "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

The good, or real wheat represents the seed which Jesus sowed. That includes His chosen seed of Israel and of course His Church. Any attempt to reverse the seed of Israel as having been chosen by God is gross error thinking against His Word.

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

There it is, the good seed are the children of the kingdom. What kingdom? Christ's future Kingdom of BOTH believing seed of Israel AND believing Gentiles as one body. Thus the Jews must also believe on Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved. And the majority of them of the seed will believe eventually, as per Paul in Romans 11 when he said all Israel shall be saved once the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

But the "tares" are sown by the devil.

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
KJV

 

[Davy]

You said:
"They are the symbolic "tares" hidden among the good wheat (Judah) per Jesus' parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13. "

You said: "It's because of prophecy God gave in His Word...."
The prophecy is spiritual.....a spiritual fulfillment. The physical people lost their kingdom and were scattered into the world because God was done with them, and they were not to ever establish a nation of their own again.

Nope. That's not completely true per God's Word. Have you never read Jeremiah 31:35-37?

Jer 31:35-37
35 Thus saith the LORD, Which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is His name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before Me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.

37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
KJV

The future restoration of the kingdom of Israel is such a HUGE... theme in Old Testament Bible prophecy that is still yet to happen, that the only way you could miss that is by NOT studying your Old Testament Scriptures. Thus your lack of understanding those OT Scriptures will have some of your New Testament revelations skewed away from God's Truth in His Word, and it does show.

 

[Davy]

I agree w/ one thing they say though, Jerusalem is "not" the Babylon of Rev. 17.

I don't, for the symbolic Babylon Harlot woman of Revelation 17 is specifically... pointing to Jerusalem at the end of this world as the "great city". Revelation 11:8 reveals where the "great city" is. It's where Lord Jesus was crucified.

Ezekiel 16 is a major revelation of how God also called JERUSALEM a harlot when His people fell into idol worship. Jerusalem's origin before David conquered it was a city of the pagan Jebusites. It's history began as an idol worshiping city.