The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Grailhunter]

YOUR wrong about this selling your daughter as a sex slave
that sounds like a liberals view concering the bible .

So you say selling youir daughter as a sex slave is a liveral view....WOW.

THEY DIDNT PUT a raped woman to death .

Yes they did....23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you. Deuteronomy 22:23

 

[amigo de christo]

So you say selling youir daughter as a sex slave is a liveral view....WOW.


Yes they did....23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you. Deuteronomy 22:23

Because she was not raped . that is what that means . By she did not cry for help .
SHE fornicated . You wont even read the part where it says the RAPED wont be stoned cause she did no wrong .
She did not scream is implying IT WAS CONSENSUAL . YOUR Seeing what you want too .
Your seeing your hearts desires . THERE are things in the old test YOU no longer want to view as sin .
And you deep down know i am right about that friend .
Something in the old test that is sin , YOU want to believe its not sin , its gone now . SOmething that is sin
has a hold on you , and you DO not want to believe its a sin . ONLY twisters of truth
would do such a thing .

 

[Grailhunter]

SO the righteous of the law is what is on our heart .

The Law is not righteous.

WE would simply remove such christains who pratice such sins

Would you remove people that sell their daughters as sex slaves.

So you say selling youir daughter as a sex slave is a liveral view....WOW.


Yes they did....23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you. Deuteronomy 22:23

Because she was not raped . that is what that means

No it does not......It does not stipulate willing or not willing......she was property....damaged goods.....destroyed.

 

[Grailhunter]

She did not scream is implying IT WAS CONSENSUAL

A knife to her throat.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No Ronald, many of the laws of Moses cannot be followed today as you know, why do you keep pushing false things, the ten commandments are distinct from the rest of the law and the Covenant, the ten commandments is the topic here not the Laws given by Moses. Gentiles are not Jewish because they follow the commandments.

I never said that the Mosaic Law is still in effect. that is a lie on your part

Of the ten commands written in stone and are a ministry of death, 9 were carried forward to the Law of Christ! I do not kill because teh ten commandmnents say do not kill, but because the Law of Christ says do not kill.

 

[Jay Ross]

A knife to her throat.

You will say anything in a vain attempt to win the argument not seeing what you might step in, while working in the dairy.

 

[Grailhunter]

You will say anything in a vain attempt to win the argument not seeing what you might step in, while working in the dairy.

Rape is a violent act

 

[amigo de christo]

The Law is not righteous.



Would you remove people that sell their daughters as sex slaves.





No it does not......It does not stipulate willing or not willing......she was property....damaged goods.....destroyed.

The law is not righteous you say .
Well that is odd . WHY would GOD ever have offered up what IS NON RIGHTEOUS and WICKED
and then HAD JESUS fullfill it .
You are wrong yet again my friend about HOW you view the law .
THe law , as even paul said was holy righteous and etc
ITS JUST by the LAW who can justify oneself . NO man . If the law IS evil
WHY would GOD GIVE IT to the jew . As though he is saying UNLESS YOU DO THIS EVIL
i am not well pleased with you .
Cursed is the man
Blessed is the man . YOU See the LAW dead wrong my friend . YOU SEE IT as evil . as NOT RIGHTEOUS STANDARDS .
SO Who is accusing GOD right now . YOU ARE .
As i said afore , THE FAULT was NOT IN THE LAW , IT WAS ON MAN , the weakness is in our flesh . HIS law
IS holy and good . ITS just show me a man who has never once trangressed it , sinned . WELL we both know we cant
UNLESS of course WE POINT TO CHRIST who fullfilled all righteousness . HE DID . HE DID fullfill the righteousness of the law .
But aint no else did , or can . AND TO BELIEVE we can be justified by it , IS A FATAL mistake .

 

[amigo de christo]

A knife to her throat.

that is my point . YOU are tying to set up examples to make it mean something it DID NOT .
The point of the reminder she did not scream
WAS simply saying and implying she willfully agreed to it .
YOU are just trying to make up scenarios to make the law
look evil . Because if you had bother to read , IT says IF she was raped , if she did not consent
SHE IS NOT TO BE STONED . YOU must have sat under the wrong men .
CAUSE actually this is not the first time i seen some try and present the case the way you did .
It simply means she was not actually raped she was simply doing the deed with another man .
Quite simple really . Unless one wants to beleive these lies . For whatever reason they desire to do so .

 

[PGS11]

Just in your brain morality exist they were never needed that they were even wrote down was stupid.How could you not know them without being written or known can't happen any other way.Was never need it was already there but it should be teach or in a school.Now that is absurd.

 

[amigo de christo]

Rape is a violent act

and that is why under the law the raper could be put to death , BUT NOT THE RAPED woman .
The raped woman would not be put to death .
YOU just want to beleive scenarios for some reason to beleive the law was evil .
SO what is it other than those so called scenarios you bring
that you really DONT want to beleive is sin anymore .
Accusing GOD of things HE never said or meant is not wise at all .
Even paul said SO the LAW IS HOLY JUST and GOOD .
You say its evil . YOU and paul would have been at serious odds .
BUT to justify oneself by it , YEAH THAT IS A SELF RIGHTEOUS death trap .
THERE is only one thing the law can prove to a man . BY ME you are condemned and cannot be justified .
But the law is not evil in any way shape for form . GOD dont encourage evil and sin . NEVER has .
However it sure seems you beleive he does . That is very very scary too .

 

[Jay Ross]

Rape is a violent act

And you are milking your "cash" cow with your opinions.

 

[quietthinker]

The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:

"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."​

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"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)​

This clearly states that the Ten Commandments are the covenant. When we look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, we see God speaking of a new covenant, but notice what He says:

"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.​

But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."​

This passage does not say the law itself would change. Instead, it tells us that the ten commandments that are the covenant instead of being written on stone tablets, would be written in our hearts and minds. That means the law remains the same, but its place changes, from external tablets to internal conviction. This is why we see in the Gospels of John, Matthew, Luke and Mark, Jesus teaching the commandments and magnifying them.

Now, let's connect this with the Ark of the Covenant. In Deuteronomy 10:1-5, God commanded Moses to place the two tablets of the Ten Commandments inside the Ark:

"At that time the Lord said to me, ‘Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain, and make yourself an ark of wood... Then I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me.’"​

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This shows the special place of the Ten Commandments, inside the Ark, symbolizing their central role in the covenant. But what about the rest of the law? In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, Moses wrote the book of the law and placed it beside the Ark:

"So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: ‘Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you.’”​

This distinction is important. The Ten Commandments being described clearly as the Covenant were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant, showing their eternal, unchanging nature as the foundation of the covenant. The rest of the law was placed beside the Ark, acting as a witness.

Now, when Jeremiah speaks of the law being written in our hearts, he is speaking of the same law, the Ten Commandments. The "new" part of the covenant is not that the law changes but that God Himself ensures it is within us, guiding us from within rather than being an external set of rules. This aligns perfectly with how Jesus upheld and fulfilled the law, always pointing back to love for God and neighbor as the foundation of obedience (Matthew 22:36-40).

So, the New Covenant is not about replacing the Ten Commandments but about making them part of who we are.

Blessings

Loving your enemy is a far higher bar than loving your neighbour as yourself.
Is there anyone who actually loves their neighbour as themselves or is it just an ideal that sounds good and to which lip service is given?

 

[Grailhunter]

The law is not righteous you say .
Well that is odd . WHY would GOD ever have offered up what IS NON RIGHTEOUS and WICKED
and then HAD JESUS fullfill it .

Well if you think that selling your daughters as sex slaves is righteious????? Executing raped women is right?????? Polygamy is right???? Then you have a warped definition of righteous. Sometimes you have to have the courage to call a spade a spade. Sometimes good people come from bad parents that were drunk and beat each other and they say their parents showed them everything they did not want to be. One of those things we will have to ask the Lord in the end. But as far as people’s interest in all this or want to mix the Old Covenant with the New Covenant it can only mean disaster and a driving lust to cruelty.

What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful. Romans 7:7-13

We can see what the Law did to the people of the Old Testament…. It warped their character.
The kill all that breathe command…
Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. And Moses said to them, “Have you spared all the women? Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves Deuteronomy 31:14-18

I think what? 60,000 women determined to be non-virgins? Did they stand them in line waiting for the sword? Did they call in the gynecologists? How do you think they determined if they were non-virgins….all those women…..They chest stripped them and looked for signs of suckling…..not an accurate way of determining virginity. Did they pull the male babies from their mother's arms to sword the baby while the mother watched and then sword the mother?

 

[Grailhunter]

and that is why under the law the raper could be put to death , BUT NOT THE RAPED woman .
The raped woman would not be put to death .
YOU just want to beleive scenarios for some reason to beleive the law was evil .
SO what is it other than those so called scenarios you bring
that you really DONT want to beleive is sin anymore .
Accusing GOD of things HE never said or meant is not wise at all .
Even paul said SO the LAW IS HOLY JUST and GOOD .
You say its evil . YOU and paul would have been at serious odds .
BUT to justify oneself by it , YEAH THAT IS A SELF RIGHTEOUS death trap .
THERE is only one thing the law can prove to a man . BY ME you are condemned and cannot be justified .
But the law is not evil in any way shape for form . GOD dont encourage evil and sin . NEVER has .
However it sure seems you beleive he does . That is very very scary too .

That is why I say a Theologian has to be a historian too. I know the history of it all.
They killed the non-virgin captives and raped the ones that were virgins.

They killed the woman who was raped in country and no one could hear her screams….damaged goods....They could stop the rape of the woman that was in city because she screamed.

On her marriage night if her husband did not think she was a virgin, her husband could kill her and leave her body at her father’s doorstep……returning defective property.

It is all about considering women as property.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well if you think that selling your daughters as sex slaves is righteious????? Executing raped women is right?????? Polygamy is right???? Then you have a warped definition of righteous. Sometimes you have to have the courage to call a spade a spade. Sometimes good people come from bad parents that were drunk and beat each other and they say their parents showed them everything they did not want to be. One of those things we will have to ask the Lord in the end. But as far as people’s interest in all this or want to mix the Old Covenant with the New Covenant it can only mean disaster and a driving lust to cruelty.

What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful. Romans 7:7-13

We can see what the Law did to the people of the Old Testament…. It warped their character.
The kill all that breathe command…
Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. And Moses said to them, “Have you spared all the women? Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves Deuteronomy 31:14-18

I think what? 60,000 women determined to be non-virgins? Did they stand them in line waiting for the sword? Did they call in the gynecologists? How do you think they determined if they were non-virgins….all those women…..They chest stripped them and looked for signs of suckling…..not an accurate way of determining virginity. Did they pull the male babies from their mother's arms to sword the baby while the mother watched and then sword the mother?

You got brainwashed from someone .
The LAW didnt warp their character . SO GOD WARPED them huh . you been deadly brain washed .
I KNOW you learned this from men . I KNOW IT . people sit under who so ever tickles their ears .
You and those WOLVES who taught you this stuff accuse GOD . as though GOD IS TO BLAME .
and dont try and act like this is not the case .
IF GOD GIVES something and then that SOMETHING gets the BLAME for mans wrongs , THEN YOU BLAME GOD .
THE LAW was and is holy righteous and good . ITS MAN that is corrupt .
AND GOD never approved of sex slaves . DO YOU EVEN KNOW that that is .
ITS selling women for SEX , getting paid for it and they just sleep with whatever TOM pays .
GOOD heavens you dont even know what sex slavery even is . GOD WOULD NEVER have approved
of a man selling his daughter into sex slavery . YOU do realize
when they do this , ITS CUSTOMERS dude that pay for it . SOMEONE twisted your mind against The truth .

 

[Grailhunter]

You got brainwashed from someone .
The LAW didnt warp their character . SO GOD WARPED them huh . you been deadly brain washed .
I KNOW you learned this from men . I KNOW IT . people sit under who so ever tickles their ears .
You and those WOLVES who taught you this stuff accuse GOD . as though GOD IS TO BLAME .
and dont try and act like this is not the case .
IF GOD GIVES something and then that SOMETHING gets the BLAME for mans wrongs , THEN YOU BLAME GOD .
THE LAW was and is holy righteous and good . ITS MAN that is corrupt .
AND GOD never approved of sex slaves . DO YOU EVEN KNOW that that is .
ITS selling women for SEX , getting paid for it and they just sleep with whatever TOM pays .
GOOD heavens you dont even know what sex slavery even is . GOD WOULD NEVER have approved
of a man selling his daughter into sex slavery . YOU do realize
when they do this , ITS CUSTOMERS dude that pay for it . SOMEONE twisted your mind against The truth .

Hold back on the insults.
Call it as we see them.
Because of the hardness of your hearts Moses allowed you to divorce. Moses allowed them. Is it possible that Moses made some of the Mosaic Laws? Even so people would say that Yahweh approved.

 

[amigo de christo]

Hold back on the insults.
Call it as we see them.
Because of the hardness of your hearts Moses allowed you to divorce. Moses allowed them. Is it possible that Moses made some of the Mosaic Laws? Even so people would say that Yahweh approved.

Hold back on the insults.
Call it as we see them.
Because of the hardness of your hearts Moses allowed you to divorce. Moses allowed them. Is it possible that Moses made some of the Mosaic Laws? Even so people would say that Yahweh approved.

i called them WOLVES that taught you that stuff . cause they are .
I never called you one . BUT WOLVES TAUGHT that junk .
as far as putting away ones wife
DO notice what the law said about that too .
Couldnt do it for just any reason . IF we read more bible we had seen that .
Divorce was allowed , but one could not put away his wife and marry another . NOT EVEN IN THE LAW could that be done
FOR JUST ANY REASON .
did you know that . probably not .
As far as trying to justify one self by the law , AINT GONNA happen . no sir .
In fact EVERYTHING JESUS taught NEVER ONCE TRANSGRESSED it . DID YOU KNOW This .
THEY accused HIM wrongly . DID you know they even falsey accused him about the sabbath .
THEY DIDNT EVEN Understand the law . OH but that too is a fact .
ORTHEY HAD NEVER ACCUSED THE GUILTESS ONE . JESUS was not breaking the sabbath
THEY DID . they had the vial over their eyes .
IF the a child could be circumsized on a sabbath DUE TO that child was eight days old on it
AND YET that was not breaking the sabbath to CIRCUMSIZE such child .
WHY on earth were they ACCUSING JESUS for making folks WHOLE on the sabbath . THEY HAD NO IDEA
how to rightly judge , discern .
EVEN DAVID ate the priests bread , MEANT ONLY for the priest . AND YET he was not trangressing .
WHY .
THINK about that one .
WHY was it not sin for david and his men to eat the bread ONLY for the priests .
JESUS mentioned that one too .
MANY could not understand .
And falsey accused , and yet THEY WERE OMITTING and actually TRANGRESSING the very law and sabbath
THEY CLAIMED JESUS was . ITS TIME WE LEARN THAT BIBLE FOR OUR OWN SELVES RIGHT NOW .
DO NOT wait , YOU OPEN IT TODAY , you cast all other books aside and learn it for you .
YOU will be amazed at how things can clear up . WE BEEN LIED TO , BEEN LIED TO FOR YEARS by most
all of the entire realm of christendom . WEEP for them as i do i , WEEP for this people
AND GET IN THAT BIBLE again for YOU to learn . HURRY .