When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Look to Matthew 15 to see that after his resurrection Jesus instructed his Apostles to go among the Gentiles.

The chosen of Jesus are those whom God leads into his grace. Be that Jew or Gentile.

Right. So, that means the chosen of Jesus are God's chosen people.

 

[PS95]

The first and second temple were destroyed.

Jesus said he was sent only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel and avoid the Gentiles. Matthew 10

Look to Matthew 15 to see that after his resurrection Jesus instructed his Apostles to go among the Gentiles.

The chosen of Jesus are those whom God leads into his grace. Be that Jew or Gentile.

I'm so glad you are here. Again, welcome, sister.

 

[David in NJ]

No, he did not. He is not saying that he thinks Matthew 24:9-14 will be fulfilled again. He thinks that passage was fulfilled in 70 AD only.

That's what he thinks.

The evidence speaks of dual prophecy which he unknowingly admitted to.

 

[PS95]

As to that, as a matter of fact I'm getting ready to do so here shortly. I'm not going to lie though, I had Chatgpt to try and help me flesh out some of my thoughts, in regards to that. And IMO, it did an excellent job. But I will do that later.

I'm just curious. I'm not informed well on this at all, but by any chance is Chatgpt = AI?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That's what he thinks.

The evidence speaks of dual prophecy which he unknowingly admitted to.

LOL. He did not. Don't try to speak for him.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm just curious. I'm not informed well on this at all, but by any chance is Chatgpt = AI?

Yes. All it does is searches the Internet and summarizes the information it finds, which may or may not be true.

 

[covenantee]

That's what he thinks.

The evidence speaks of dual prophecy which he unknowingly admitted to.

I've said explicitly that a dual fulfillment necessitates the identical re-creation of the past fulfillment.

Otherwise, it's an arbitrary departure from the specifics of the Word.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I've said explicitly that a dual fulfillment necessitates the identical re-creation of the past fulfillment.

Otherwise, it's an arbitrary departure from the specifics of the Word.

And, to be clear, you do not believe that there will be any "re-creation of the past fulfillment" of anything that you believe was fulfilled in the past, right?

 

[covenantee]

And, to be clear, you do not believe that there will be any "re-creation of the past fulfillment" of anything that you believe was fulfilled in the past, right?

True.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

True.

So, @David in NJ misrepresented you and I can't help but wonder if it was on purpose.

 

[PS95]

Yes. All it does is searches the Internet and summarizes the information it finds, which may or may not be true.

Call me crazy, but I do not trust it! .

 

[Davidpt]

I'm just curious. I'm not informed well on this at all, but by any chance is Chatgpt = AI?

It's an AI, and that it can somewhat reason with you via interactions with it. Lately though, I'm not conversing with it that much anymore. But not that I was doing that all the time to begin with. I'm kind of burned out on that now. I'm thinking about using chatgpt for something else, such as, I submit my arguments and thoughts to it, it then rewrites them for me to where I'm easier to follow. IOW, I don't exactly have excellent writing skills but chatgpt obviously does.

 

[PS95]

It's an AI, and that it can somewhat reason with you via interactions with it. Lately though, I'm not conversing with it that much anymore. But not that I was doing that all the time to begin with. I'm kind of burned out on that now. I'm thinking about using chatgpt for something else, such as, I submit my arguments and thoughts to it, it then rewrites them for me to where I'm easier to follow. IOW, I don't exactly have excellent writing skills but chatgpt obviously does.

Ok well, thanks for the reply. I would only caution you that it could tell you anything and make it's appear correct when it is not. Maybe I'm just old fashioned. Maybe I just don't trust much after what I have seen. <-Yeah that's it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Call me crazy, but I do not trust it! .

You're not crazy. I don't trust it, either, because it has no filter to only give the truth as feedback. It basically searches the Internet for you and then shows you what it finds. Obviously, not everything on the Internet is true. Not even close. It can provide info to take into consideration just as is the case if you manually search the Internet yourself, but no one should ever assume that its feedback is true. It may be or it may not be.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It's an AI, and that it can somewhat reason with you via interactions with it. Lately though, I'm not conversing with it that much anymore. But not that I was doing that all the time to begin with. I'm kind of burned out on that now. I'm thinking about using chatgpt for something else, such as, I submit my arguments and thoughts to it, it then rewrites them for me to where I'm easier to follow. IOW, I don't exactly have excellent writing skills but chatgpt obviously does.

I think that is a good use of it for you and I have no problem with that.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

I'm so glad you are here. Again, welcome, sister.

Thank you sister,brother. I'm glad to be here too.

 

[David in NJ]

I've said explicitly that a dual fulfillment necessitates the identical re-creation of the past fulfillment.

Otherwise, it's an arbitrary departure from the specifics of the Word.

@Spiritual Israelite

TRUTH always Prevails = Isaiah 46:10
“Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:”


Dwell on this:
#1 - God knows all things BEFORE they come to pass.

#2 - God established dual prophecy because He knows the plans of wicked men.
"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun."

#3 - "Not one jot or tittle will pass until ALL THINGS are fulfilled"

#4 - Dual prophecy does not necessitate the "exact identical" re-creation necessitating the exact same individuals.
However, pay careful attention to TRUTH = Matthew 23:29-31

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, and say,
‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’

“Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Spiritual Israelite

TRUTH always Prevails = Isaiah 46:10
“Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:”

Why did you not tell the truth then? I asked him if he believes that any of the prophecies he thinks are fulfilled will be fulfilled again and he said no.

And, to be clear, you do not believe that there will be any "re-creation of the past fulfillment" of anything that you believe was fulfilled in the past, right?

True.

So, he did not agree that there is such thing as dual fulfillment of prophecy. He just clarified what would have to be true in order for that to be the case. And it's clear that the prophecies you believe have dual fulfillments don't meet that standard.

 

[David in NJ]

Why did you not tell the truth then? I asked him if he believes that any of the prophecies he thinks are fulfilled will be fulfilled again and he said no.

So, he did not agree that there is such thing as dual fulfillment of prophecy. He just clarified what would have to be true in order for that to be the case. And it's clear that the prophecies you believe have dual fulfillments don't meet that standard.

He agreed by agreeing with the Holy Scriptures.

You either agree to God's Word or you argue against it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

He agreed by agreeing with the Holy Scriptures.

You either agree to God's Word or you argue against it.

He did not agree that there are any dual fulfillments of any Bible prophecies.