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Behold,
We But we do have a command to love one another. Do we not?
What do you do when you break that command?

I dont try to break that command.
I try to practice that command.....all the time.

One of the ways i practice "love" is to come to this forum, and others, and offer Jesus on The Cross..........and also to teach Paul's Theology, "for the perfecting of the Saints"..
And most of All, .....most of all........i highlight false theology.. and shine The Cross on it, so that it is revealed as False, and this way a Christian who is not caught up in some heresy, and reads what im revealing... will be protected...... and if the person is caught up in some "doctrine of devils".... then they might find their way out by reading Paul's Theology that im teaching.

All of this is Love......being produced by Me for the benefit of others.

 

[Behold]

Normalizing sin with statements like this causes many to believe it's normal to continue in sinful behavior.

Actually........the "normalization of sin"... as a false theology......is the theology that teaches that Christianity is "Sin, confess, repeat" for the rest of your life.

NetChaplin and Ronald Nolette will teach you this, 24/7 along with their Calvinism.

So, anyone who is teaching, THIS ....1.) >"Paul said that which i dont want to do, i will do"..... as "Christianity",,... is the carnal liar who is trying to create the false understanding that .. "well, you all have sin, so, confess it and then repeat"........for the rest of your life.

And that is why these deceivers LIVE in 1 Jn 1... as that is their totally corrupted understanding of Christianity.

They have NORMALIZED SIN, by teaching....>>>"well, we are going to sin...so expect it, and then just confess it, and then repeat" for the rest of your life.............. as that is CHRISTIANITY.

See that Liar?
THEY are the "sin normalizers"...........not Paul

Paul teaches that we are made free from sin, and WHY.
I teach the WHY, as that is the most important part of teaching Soteriology...is to understand this correctly.

People need to be made aware of the warnings God gives concerning those that walk after the flesh.

People who "walk after the flesh" are Christians who believe they can lose their Salvation.
See, they gave up on Jesus, already..........and now they are "in the flesh" trying to be good enough to go to heaven by confessing sin and trying not to lose their salvaiton, as if they can produce their own Salvation.
So.......There is your Self Righteous carnal baby Christian.

This is the Hebrews 6:1 diaper baby believer.

You'll recognize yourself there.....as its written for people like you @Dan Clarkston

OSAS is "Gnostic Stuff" as the Word of God does not actually teach we can never ever lose our salvation.

You can't even understand The Cross of Cross of Christ... as The Blood Atonement.... and why it Jusifies you before God, eternally.

So, you are the last one who needs to be trying to post NONSENSE about GOD'S Salvation, as you have no understanding of What Jesus was telling YOU< when He said FROM THE CROSS =.. "IT is Finished" OR some versions say.. "it is Accomplished.

See that "IT". ???????????????

You dont know what that is... you dont know what is """"FINISHED //Accomplished ""

And when you run back in here and write some dumb post......im going to correct it.....so, get ready.. as everytime you post again to me... i get to reveal you, and in this... other members learn what not to believe and what not to teach and who to avoid.

You are CLUELESS regarding the "imputed righteousness of Christ""...., and just want to hear yourself talk, and get attention @Dan Clarkston ,

 

[PS95]

In his book, Eternal Security, Stanley says

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)

“Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).

“Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)


He actually taught one can be a "gay christian" and still go to Heaven proving he is a false teacher!

Here's a video where you can see video of Charlies saying this (just a few minutes into the video)

Can a Person Live a Life of Sin and Remain Saved?

Once Saved, Always Saved?
Video that addresses false claims made by Chales Stanley

Thanks for the book quotes. I can't seem to trust videos ever since I saw the fake AI Billy Graham one last week.
I need to look into this further but it seems maybe he was taking 1 Cor 3:14 out of context.
I had no idea he taught this stuff. You would think he would say that person obviously was not saved to begin with. I've heard conservative Baptists say that.
I thought his son was a rebel.. apparently not- he learned from his dad. wow
Do all OSAS' ers agree with him? Or do they lean more toward the conservative baptist explanation?
As you can see I haven't paid much attention to this topic.
I mean who doesn't teach osas?
Methodists didn't but they crashed & burned with homosexual stuff. I think Cof God doesn't. right?
Anyone else?

 

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Do all OSAS' ers agree with him?

Here is a question for you.

Do you trust that Jesus keeps you saved, no matter what you do?
Or do you believe that Jesus's Savation that He died to give you, is only as good as your behavior, today and tomorrow?

So, if you decide to answer, we'll find out if you believe that Jesus keeps you saved because Of His Sacrifice or if you keep you saved, by ..........whatever it is you believe you have to do........to achieve that... and you'll have a list.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I mean who doesn't teach osas?

Those that accept and embrace the whole counsel of God.

Eternal security is only applicable to those that choose to abide in Christ which is accomplish by submitting one's self to the leading of the Holy Ghost based on God's Word.

It's the Holy Ghost that empowers us, but it's up to us to submit ourselves to Him and remain submitted.

Actually........the "normalization of sin"... as a false theology

This is what the "original sin" peoples do as they proudly proclaim we are all born in to sin and we cannot help but to sin daily in thought word and deed. They claim God put sin in each little baby to punish them for what Adam did.

People who "walk after the flesh" are Christians who believe they can lose their Salvation.

That is a scripture twisting statement based on eisegesis.

No, those walking after the flesh are those that have been falsely taught that it's not possible for them to ever lose their salvation so they think they can let their freak flag fly and engage in sinful behavior.

They walk after false grace which the majority of churches / preachers teach these days

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Paul did NOT contradict the teachings of Jesus and actually taught the Doctrine of Christ,

The OSAS cherry pickers don't accept all God's Word teaches so they are actually some of the false brethren Paul warned about that would come in after he departs as they are gnostics claiming to have special revelation which is actually just cherry picking.

You'll recognize yourself there.....as its written for people like you

I don't accept the demonic musing of false teachers and false brethren

When the false teachers get to where they are going, we'll see who the infants are and who the mature believers are. Enjoy!

 

[Behold]

This is what the "original sin" peoples do as they proudly proclaim we are all born in to sin and we cannot help but to sin daily in thought word and deed. They claim God put sin in each little baby to punish them for what Adam did.

The reason you sin, and confess, is because by "one man's sin, sin entered the world".

Jesus the 2nd Adam, came to forgive you and deliver you from that.......on The Cross.

That is a scripture twisting statement based on eisegesis.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
You cant even respond, so you just say something useless again.

No, those walking after the flesh

Paul teaches in Galatians that to be "in the Flesh" is to be "fallen from Grace.""

This means the person can't accept that God has saved a sinner, forever, through the Cross of Christ.
So, becasue they wont have that Gospel Truth, they instead try to save themselves, and then falsly classify any Real Christian by some stupid unprovable innuendo.

See you there, next time. @Dan Clarkston

They walk after false grace

There is only God's Grace.
God's Grace is The Cross of Christ, where Jesus has paid for the entire sin of the world.......one believer at a time.

I don't accept the demonic musing of false teachers and false brethren

The only thing you accept is your carnal anti-NT opinions as they are your theology. @Dan Clarkston

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You cant even respond

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

This is what the OSAS peoples do, twist what the Lord Jesus taught thru the Apostle Paul...unto their own destruction.

When you arrive at your eternal home down south instead of up north, you'll be were you belong. Enjoy!

 

[Behold]

This is what the OSAS peoples do, twist what the Lord Jesus taught thru the Apostle Paul...unto their own destruction.

The Apostle Paul is the actual Apostle that "religous" people claimed was teaching licence to sin, when they heard His "Gospel" of the "GRACE of God" that is "justification by Faith".. without any thing you do , or try to do, or try to keep.

God's Salvaiton is a GIFT...>>"The Gift of Salvation"

You dont work for a Gift and "God's Gifts are without repentance".......this means they can't be ENDED.....not ever. And Salvaiton is "the GIFT of Salvation".

Its ETERNAL.

A born again Christian, will remain so, for as long as God exists, because the person has become "ONE with God".. "In Christ".....FOREVER.

 

[Netchaplain]

When I read this OP and your other thread- together those gave me the impression that you are saying once we are forgiven our sins by accepting the gift of God's grace in Jesus-- we are always just forgiven any further sins and have no need to ever confess our sins. While I agree with you that we will be forgiven our sins when sincere and repent- I can not agree that we should just take forgiveness as given without confession and repentance. There's a fine line here and I am not quite sure how to make you see what I'm saying. My concern is the impression you are giving.

To give the impression that all of our sins are freely forgiven no matter what can lead to a disaster with those who do not understand, those who are not saved yet, or those who are young in the faith. It gives the impression that sin doesn't matter. We know it does..

Confession and repentance are things we continue do in our lives. Asking for forgiveness is ok if you want to continue to ask, but it's not necessary. When we get saved is when we ask for forgiveness, which is necessary and covers all our sins.

Confession means "to admit," thus it's admitting when we have sinned, and then we thank God for His forgiveness. Repentance is discontinuing a willful and sinful commission. All this is the Christian life, as God "works" in us to "please" Him (Phl 2:13).

 

[Dan Clarkston]

A born again Christian, will remain so, for as long as God exists, because the person has become "ONE with God".. "In Christ".....FOREVER.

In other words, like Charles Stanley teaches, a Christian can in fact return to living in sin and it's all good they are still saved and will still go to Heaven.

Glad you are at least being honest that this is what OSAS teaches which is turning the grace of the Lord in to lasciviousness which is false grace, aka greasy grace teaching people it's OK to live after the flesh and let their freak flag fly!

 

[PS95]

Confession and repentance are things we continue do in our lives. Asking for forgiveness is ok if you want to continue to ask, but it's not necessary. When we get saved is when we ask for forgiveness, which is necessary and covers all our sins.

Confession means "to admit," thus it's admitting when we have sinned, and then we thank God for His forgiveness. Repentance is discontinuing a willful and sinful commission. All this is the Christian life, as God "works" in us to "please" Him (Phl 2:13).

I just noticed that is what you said in your other thread here--

“Once For All”

The Christian's “forgiveness” is “once for all,” meaning that God’s forgiveness needs applied only “once” (Heb 10:10, 14), and which is never withdrawn, so it is continually unending and needs not to forgive over and over (unlike the Popish mass supports Christ sacrificing again during...

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Thanks. I was overlooking the distinction you are making between asking for forgiveness and confessing. I understand now- thanks.
When I confess I do so in confidence of forgiveness and gratitude for the blood of Jesus. I think that you are saying the same thing. But knowing that I am forgiven does not lessen my annoyance with myself. I prefer not to sin obviously. Yet I do no matter if it's just a brief thought. I still feel annoyed with my flesh. Does that makes sense? I feel like if I had been walking in the Spirit and keeping my eyes on Jesus I would not have sinned. Does this make sense to you?

I also have one more Q if you would kindly reply I would appreciate it! I have deep concerns with the teachings of some, like Charles Stanley- I always enjoyed his preaching but I haven't listened to him a ton, just sometimes.. So i was not aware of what he had to say about osas- This seems to be a very dangerous thing to be teaching. He also taught that a practicing homosexual is saved.. Do you also teach these things?

In his book, Eternal Security, Stanley says

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)

“Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).

“Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)

There are videos posted here--

Already Delivered

And let's no forget... Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Dan Clarkston]

When we get saved is when we ask for forgiveness, which is necessary and covers all our sins.

So it's all good to keep living in sin then, right?

If all future sins are already forgiven, then this means God can be mocked and what we sow is NOT what we reap where when someone sows to the flesh they do NOT reap corruption. (the opposite of what Gal 6:7,8 actually teaches)

What you are describing is known as greasy grace... the believe that even if someone lives in sin it's all good, no biggie.

This is what the leading proponent of eternal security taught (Charles Stanley)

In his book, Eternal Security, Charles Stanley says

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)

“Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).

“Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)

No wonder you people go around proudly proclaiming "I'm a sinner!"

 

[PS95]

Those that accept and embrace the whole counsel of God.

Eternal security is only applicable to those that choose to abide in Christ which is accomplish by submitting one's self to the leading of the Holy Ghost based on God's Word.

It's the Holy Ghost that empowers us, but it's up to us to submit ourselves to Him and remain submitted.

I agree but I was asking about denoms.. do you know? I think I can accept the conservative Baptist way of explaining it.
I can not accept what Stanley said.

 

[PS95]

So it's all good to keep living in sin then, right?

If all future sins are already forgiven, then this means God can be mocked and what we sow is NOT what we reap where when someone sows to the flesh they do NOT reap corruption. (the opposite of what Gal 6:7,8 actually teaches)

What you are describing is known as greasy grace... the believe that even if someone lives in sin it's all good, no biggie.

This is what the leading proponent of eternal security taught (Charles Stanley)

In his book, Eternal Security, Charles Stanley says

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)

“Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).

“Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)

No wonder you people go around proudly proclaiming "I'm a sinner!" View attachment 63136

I don't believe that is what he is saying. I could be wrong. Remember that people also accused Paul of that-- it is not what Paul taught!
I asked about Stanley as well.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I agree but I was asking about denoms.. do you know? I think I can accept the conservative Baptist way of explaining it.
I can not accept what Stanley said.

Charles Stanley is revered by the Baptists who are famous for teaching the false OSAS doctrine.

I don't believe that is what he is saying

Go verify those quotes in his book for yourself.

He is very clearly teaching one can never lose their salvation even if they turn away from the Lord to go back to living in sin.

Many baby Christians here this and.... go back to living in sin thinking they are still saved any end up in hell with Charles Stanley!

 

[Rockerduck]

I just noticed that is what you said in your other thread here--

“Once For All”

The Christian's “forgiveness” is “once for all,” meaning that God’s forgiveness needs applied only “once” (Heb 10:10, 14), and which is never withdrawn, so it is continually unending and needs not to forgive over and over (unlike the Popish mass supports Christ sacrificing again during...

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Thanks. I was overlooking the distinction you are making between asking for forgiveness and confessing. I understand now- thanks.
When I confess I do so in confidence of forgiveness and gratitude for the blood of Jesus. I think that you are saying the same thing. But knowing that I am forgiven does not lessen my annoyance with myself. I prefer not to sin obviously. Yet I do no matter if it's just a brief thought. I still feel annoyed with my flesh. Does that makes sense? I feel like if I had been walking in the Spirit and keeping my eyes on Jesus I would not have sinned. Does this make sense to you?

I also have one more Q if you would kindly reply I would appreciate it! I have deep concerns with the teachings of some, like Charles Stanley- I always enjoyed his preaching but I haven't listened to him a ton, just sometimes.. So i was not aware of what he had to say about osas- This seems to be a very dangerous thing to be teaching. He also taught that a practicing homosexual is saved.. Do you also teach these things?

In his book, Eternal Security, Stanley says

"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy” (Chapter 10, p. 93)

“Christ will not deny an unbelieving Christian his or her salvation because to do so would be to deny Himself” (p. 94).

“Believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation, for God remains faithful” (p. 94)

There are videos posted here--

Already Delivered

And let's no forget... Proverbs 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh...

www.christianityboard.com

Charles Stanley was off on his understanding of this verse. Because it refers to one who is enduring as a worker for Christ, but feeling like God is not there, during that time in his life.

2 Timothy 2:13 - If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

I believe politics of the liberal media got to Dr. Stanley, because he didn't start that way. Obama began the accepting of the LGBQ movement. I'm just guessing of course. So why would a conservative Preacher all of a sudden become accommodating to homosexuals?

 

[PS95]

Here is a question for you.

Do you trust that Jesus keeps you saved, no matter what you do?

Yes. He keeps me and He keeps me in line!

Or do you believe that Jesus's Savation that He died to give you, is only as good as your behavior, today and tomorrow?

I trust Him to keep me by His spirit in me. I am not going to say that I can go off and live blatantly sinfully for the rest of my life and expect Him to save me if I grieved the Holy spirit the rest of my days.. I would say that person was not truly saved or they will be brought back. What I am saying is that His spirit within me is my guide and He wont let me go that route. If by some chance I strayed he will bring me back. I fully trust Him to keep me.

So, if you decide to answer, we'll find out if you believe that Jesus keeps you saved because Of His Sacrifice or if you keep you saved, by ..........whatever it is you believe you have to do........to achieve that... and you'll have a list.

What I believe is that my heart was changed and I have no desire to go off live the way I once did. Nor could I. His spirit would convict me and bring me back. I totally trust Him to accomplish in me what He began in me.

 

[Behold]

Confession and repentance are things we continue do in our lives.

"confession and repentance" is the false teaching that Christianity is nothing more.
So for you, that is your Christianity as you define it.........but for the disciple who understands, what Jesus has provided that is the empowering of God's Grace that is total deliverace over your "sin, confess, repeat"... failed discipleship......then THESE that know the secret of God's saving Grace, do not have your spiritual issue..

You are found in Hebrews 6:1, and you are told to grow up and leave that behind.

 

[PS95]

Charles Stanley is revered by the Baptists who are famous for teaching the false OSAS doctrine.

It's been my experience that not all baptists are the same.

Go verify those quotes in his book for yourself.

I believe you.

He is very clearly teaching one can never lose their salvation even if they turn away from the Lord to go back to living in sin.

Many baby Christians here this and.... go back to living in sin thinking they are still saved any end up in hell with Charles Stanley!

He is teaching licentiousness. and it's clearly condemned as false. It's surprising to say the least.

 

[PS95]

"confession and repentance" is the false teaching that Christianity is nothing more.
So for you, that is your Christianity.....but for the disciple who understands, what Jesus has provided that is the empowering of God's Grace that is total deliverace over your "sin, confess, repeat"... failed discipleship......then THESE that know the secret of God saving Grace, do not have your spiritual issue..

Baloney! Read James 5
Behold why one earth do you only accept Paul's writings? What about Jesus' own words in the gospels and the other apostles/ It seems Paul spoke of you when he said, I am of Paul and I am of apollos etc.. Why don't you see that?