THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

[Doug]

This would IMHO, infer that the "guests" are the gentile nations. Bride, groom and wedding guests.

I dont see Gentiles in view here

[Mat 22:2 KJV] 2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

This is another parable about the kingdom of heaven (the Davidic earthly kingdom in which Christ will reign for a thousand years) being offered to Israel

[Mat 22:13 KJV] 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

This guest was not worthy to enter the kingdom of heaven

There are a couple of other verses about outer darkness

[Mat 8:12 KJV] 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The children of the kingdom is Israel

[Mat 25:30 KJV] 30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Once again the parable is about the kingdom of heaven and the unprofitable servant is Israel

 

[Lizbeth]

Paul doesnt say we are the Israel of God nor that God has cast away Israel
[Rom 11:1 KJV] 1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.

He means that they are not cast away irrevocably.... the door is open for Jewish souls to be saved and regrafted back into the tree through faith in Christ, the same way we all are saved. Whosoever will among them.

And scripture does differentiate between the "Israel of God" and "Israel after the flesh".

 

[Doug]

When you affirm the Church is the body of Christ, you already concede the Church is the bride of Christ, because Adam's bride, Eve, was his own body, "bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh", and Christ is the antitype to Adam (Ro 5; 1 Co 15).

Pretty straightforward.

Paul never even uses the word bride nor is the body of Christ called the bride in any of his epistles

 

[Doug]

He means that they are not cast away irrevocably.... the door is open for Jewish souls to be saved and regrafted back into the tree through faith in Christ, the same way we all are saved. Whosoever will among them.

And scripture does differentiate between the "Israel of God" and "Israel after the flesh".

Jews are saved today by believing Paul's gospel and are not grafted into the tree.....the tree was saying the believing remnant of Israel could be grafted in,,,,,,believing Jews today are members of the body of Christ

The Israel of God is believing Jews

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Paul never even uses the word bride nor is the body of Christ called the bride in any of his epistles

Amen. Excellent study! Further Scriptural Corroboration:

Is The Body Of Christ The Lamb's Wife?

2-Part Bible study Conclusion:

The "bride to be married as the wife of The Lamb" is The Holy Nation ( Twelve tribes ) Of
Israel ( woman! ), according To God's Prophetic / Covenants / Law program, and should
not be homogenized [ Mixed Up ] with, but should Be:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ" (online)

The One Body Of Christ, Baptized By One [ Spiritual ] Baptism, By The One Holy Spirit, Into
God's 'Creation' Of the One New man ( "members of His Body, of His Flesh, and of His Bones" ),
According To God's "Revelation Of The Mystery" To One apostle Of Grace!
(Romans Through Philemon)

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Please be Encouraged And Edified In The LORD Jesus Christ
And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

Amen.

cc: @Marilyn C

 

[Doug]

Amen. Excellent study! Further Scriptural Corroboration:

Is The Body Of Christ The Lamb's Wife?

2-Part Bible study Conclusion:

The "bride to be married as the wife of The Lamb" is The Holy Nation ( Twelve tribes ) Of
Israel ( woman! ), according To God's Prophetic / Covenants / Law program, and should
not be homogenized [ Mixed Up ] with, but should Be:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ" (online)

The One Body Of Christ, Baptized By One [ Spiritual ] Baptism, By The One Holy Spirit, Into
God's 'Creation' Of the One New man ( "members of His Body, of His Flesh, and of His Bones" ),
According To God's "Revelation Of The Mystery" To One apostle Of Grace!
(Romans Through Philemon)

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Please be Encouraged And Edified In The LORD Jesus Christ
And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

Amen.

cc: @Marilyn C

Thanks for the link to Stam

 

[Nancy]

I dont see Gentiles in view here

[Rom 11:1 KJV] 1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.

This is another parable about the kingdom of heaven (the Davidic earthly kingdom in which Christ will reign for a thousand years) being offered to Israel

[Mat 22:13 KJV] 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

This guest was not worthy to enter the kingdom of heaven

There are a couple of other verses about outer darkness

[Mat 8:12 KJV] 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The children of the kingdom is Israel

[Mat 25:30 KJV] 30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Once again the parable is about the kingdom of heaven and the unprofitable servant is Israel

Who are the guests?

 

[GracePeace]

Paul never even uses the word bride nor is the body of Christ called the bride in any of his epistles

LOL If Paul doesn't use the "bride" but uses the word "espoused", does that debunk me?

He already told you Adam and Eve is a deep mystery that concerns Christ and the Church!
Ipso facto, what ever Eve was to Adam, that is what the Church is to Christ!
Eve was Adam's own body, and was formed for the purpose of being his spouse, and so that they could have babies, and, so, also, we are Christ's own body, and are the bride (or espoused, or what ever word you prefer), and, together with Christ, we bear fruit for God (Ro 7:4).

 

[Doug]

Who are the guests?

I am not going to say I know but my thought is the guests may be both believing and unbelieving Israel........just like the wheat and tares illustrate that believing and unbelieving Israel are together til the harvest

 

[Doug]

LOL If Paul doesn't use the "bride" but uses the word "espoused", does that debunk me?

He already told you Adam and Eve is a deep mystery that concerns Christ and the Church!
Ipso facto, what ever Eve was to Adam, that is what the Church is to Christ!
Eve was Adam's own body, and was formed for the purpose of being his spouse, and so that they could have babies, and, so, also, we are Christ's own body, and are the bride (or espoused, or what ever word you prefer), and, together with Christ, we bear fruit for God (Ro 7:4).

Paul said marriage was a mystery that illustrates Christ and the church, the relationship of marriage that portrays our relationship with Christ in the body of Christ

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

But I don`t see any substantial doctrine in the Body being the bride.

People that are blinded by false doctrine wouldn't accept what God's Word clearly says on the topic.

BTW people who are threatened in their view often resort to name calling and putting down the other person instead of just discussing scripture properly. You say `peddlin, the devil`s crowd etc all putting someone down to try and make yourself right. Not good.

People not accepting what the Lord says in His Word are tares.

The Lord instructs His people to ignore the false teachings of the tares

But by all means you do you and see where self leads to for those that don't believe what God's Word very clearly says:

Revelation 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready

Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband

Matthew 25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom

Revelation 21:9
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife

 

[Lizbeth]

Jews are saved today by believing Paul's gospel and are not grafted into the tree.....the tree was saying the believing remnant of Israel could be grafted in,,,,,,believing Jews today are members of the body of Christ

The Israel of God is believing Jews

I'm not sure I understand all you are saying, whether we are quite agreeing or not. Many natural branches were broken off the tree, so to speak, that we Gentiles (unnatural branches) might be grafted in to it. But it is also true that unbelieving Jews can be grafted back into their tree again through faith in Christ. That's what it says in Romans 11. But it's all an allegory, not to be taken too literally. The Israel of God is a spiritual commonwealth "nation" that in a manner of speaking generously allows for believing Gentiles as well as believing Jews who are the natural branches of it.

 

[Doug]

He already told you Adam and Eve is a deep mystery that concerns Christ and the Church!

What verses are you referring to about Adam and Eve

 

[GracePeace]

Paul said marriage was a mystery that illustrates Christ and the church, the relationship of marriage that portrays our relationship with Christ in the body of Christ

Oops! He literally cites Genesis 2, which is about Adam and Eve.

Ephesians 5
31FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.
The body of Christ is Christ's bride, just as Eve was Adam's body and bride. LOL It's so straightforward.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So, you`re happy to tell a young man to whom you are presenting the gospel, to come to Jesus and be His bride/wife?

And also tell a homosexual, to come to Jesus and be His bride/wife?

I have no problem telling a male believer we are part of teh bride of christ.

I would not tell a homosexual that until after they got saved. For they are not part of the bride if they are a practicing unrepentant hojosexual.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So, when does the New Man become the New Woman - wife/Bride?

Are you really curious or just being nitpicky about what teh bible says.

I cannot tell you how we are the bride. I can only tell you we are teh bride, Just like Israel the ethnic people were the wife of Jehovah!

 

[GracePeace]

What verses are you referring to about Adam and Eve

Ephesians 5:31 cites Genesis 2, which was Adam instituting marriage, and Christ is the last Adam, and the antitype to the type of Adam (Ro 5; 1 Co 15), so whoever Christ's "bride" is, it is going to be called His own body, just as Eve was Adam's own body.

If that creates difficulties in reconciling less clear issues, like Revelation--about which I have my own views (not that they were created around this issue, just that they happened to fit in with this view)--that's life.

 

[Lizbeth]

Paul never even uses the word bride nor is the body of Christ called the bride in any of his epistles

Christ is the Head of His church/body just as a husband is head of his wife. A body has a head, true? It's just an allegory to help us understand that we are one with Him.....or at least betrothed with having the firstfruits (earnest) of the Spirit until the marriage is consummated so to speak. Not to be taken too literally of course it's just an allegory, a kind of parable......we don't have to make too much of it, just as the bible doesn't make too much of it. What matters is the truth it is portraying in a word picture/parable/allegory.

 

[Doug]

I'm not sure I understand all you are saying, whether we are quite agreeing or not. Many natural branches were broken off the tree, so to speak, that we Gentiles (unnatural branches) might be grafted in to it. But it is also true that unbelieving Jews can be grafted back into their tree again through faith in Christ. That's what it says in Romans 11. But it's all an allegory, not to be taken too literally. The Israel of God is a spiritual commonwealth "nation" that in a manner of speaking generously allows for believing Gentiles as well as believing Jews who are the natural branches of it.

I am saying that when Paul wrote Romans there was a believing remnant
This remnant was not the body of Christ
This remnant believed the preaching of Jesus and Peter and the twelve,,,,,they believed on his name that he was the Christ the Son of God and believed the earthly kingdom was at hand
The Jews that didnt believe were broken off
The Gentiles that believed were grafted in........believing Gentiles can be seen in Acts 10

Jews are saved today by believing Paul's gospel and arent grafted into the olive tree or are members of the believing remnant but are members of the body of Christ

 

[GracePeace]

What verses are you referring to about Adam and Eve

Ephesians 5
28So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church...

So, just as a man, according to what is reasonable, nourishes and cherishes his own flesh, so, also, he must do with his wife, keeping in mind that the two have become one flesh; so, also, that is what Christ does for the church, because, as it was with Adam, she is "bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh", Christ's own body. Even if you wanted to, contrary to Scripture, forego the Adam typology, it wouldn't matter : a husband and his wife become one flesh, ergo, the Church, Christ's body, His own flesh, He takes care of it, just as a husband takes care of his own flesh, his wife.