Scriptures that Refute Calvinism

[David Lamb]

The calvinists think Jesus is an idiot!

They certainly do not. The believe that He is God's Son, of Whom we are told in Colossians:

“For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;” (Col 2:9 NKJV)

Jesus told the Body of Christ to go out in to the Word and preach the Gospel to every one!

Yes, and Calvinists believe that, too. Calvinists have been, and are, at the forefront of missionary outreach.

They think John Calvin is the lord and savior which we know he isn't since calvin followed the devil.

They certainly don't think Calvin is Lord and Saviour. Have you one example of a Calvinist who says that they believe John Calvin died to save them from their sin, or conversely, a Calvinist who states that they don't believe that Jesus Christ is their Saviour?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes, but only if satan is the one teaching!

Sorry, but Satan is not my teacher or Lord. Jesus is despite you howling to the different.

Obviously not, but maybe someday you will be.

Well your opinion and $ 3 WILL GET ME A CUP OF COFFEE OUT OF A $1 VENDING MACHINE

folks getting their bible teaching from devils.

At least you recognize where your responses come from.

And you haven't even responded to the verses that show you wrong as far as T and U sre concerned.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I so far have given but a short catalog of Bible verses that showed why T (total depravity) and U (unconditional election) are the biblical position. This post will tackle one of the toughest ones and that is L or Limited Atonement.

Limited Atonement simply defined is that only the saved have Jesus' atonement applied to their sin

This is one that many reject. Most Christians are either considered 3 or 4 point Calvinists for they hold as biblical 3 or 4 points of the Calvinist rebuttal to Jacob Arminius' five points at the Counsel of Dort. this one and I for Irresistible grace are two of the big sticking points. but let us look at Limited Atonement.

One of the biggest reasons that believers reject this as biblical is that they have equated atonement with propitiation and that is simply is incorrect. They are two different terms in the greek with two very different results. Let us look.

First , nowhere in Scripture does it say that Jesus atoned or is the atonement for the sins of the world. It just doesn't exist.

So what does atonement mean? Well in the OT atonement meant to cover or hide something. but in the new testament Greek it means far different.

Atonement is the greek word "katallage" and means:

1. exchange
   1. of the business of money changers, exchanging equivalent values
2. adjustment of a difference, reconciliation, restoration to favour
   1. in the NT of the restoration of the favour of God to sinners that repent and put their trust in the expiatory death of Christ Simply put it means we exchanged our sins for Jesus righteousness, our sins were erased!
      Now for propitiation.
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        1 John 2:2
        And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

So Jesus IS the propitiation for the sins of the World. but what does that mean if not exchanged the worlds sin?

propitiation is the Greek word --"hilasmos" and means:

1. an appeasing, propitiating
2. the means of appeasing, a propitiation

In modern language, Jesus' blood is the onl.y acceptable sacrifice to appease Gods anger. In the unsaved this is a potential in the saved it appeased God and then He reomves our sin from us and gave us Jesus' righteousness.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 Corinthians 1:30
Verse Concepts
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

So Limited atonement as defined by the bible writers is limited. Only those who are saved have their sins exchanged for Jesus' righteousness.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I have often seen non-Calvinists state that Calvinists believe that God only saves Calvinists and that there are only a few who are saved. That just is not true.

OK, this demonstrates that calvinists don't really believe their own tripe!

They claim only they have correct doctrine and then you say they believe some who reject calvinist doctrine can be saved.

That's pretty funny!

Calvinists believe that everybody who truly believes on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation is saved.

No, they believe God decides who is saved and who is not and that the ones God assigned salvation to can never do anything to cause them to not be saved which is why many calvinists live in sin and it's where the false doctrines of once saved always saved got started.

Yes, and Calvinists believe that, too. Calvinists have been, and are, at the forefront of missionary outreach.

And this of course shows yet another inconstancy from the false doctrines of calvinism

No, they believe God decides who is saved and who is not and most calvinists are not witnessing to anybody because if this false belief

They certainly do not. The believe that He is God's Son

So what? The devil believes Jesus is the Son of God too, big deal.

They certainly don't think Calvin is Lord and Saviour.

They put the teachings of John Calvin before anything the Lord says so calvin is the one they are following, not the Lord.

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it.

Sadly the calvinists claim Jesus is a liar since Jesus never taught calvinism and they specialize in twisting scripture as they are speaking in behalf of their father the devil

What Jesus says in Matthew 7:14 definitely does not fit with calvinist doctrine

 

[Ronald Nolette]

OK, this demonstrates that calvinists don't really believe their own tripe!

They claim only they have correct doctrine and then you say they believe some who reject calvinist doctrine can be saved.

Well I do not know about these claims. I do know that those who trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus as the full payment for their sins are saved. Whether they believe in the five points called "Calvinism" or not.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Whether they believe in the five points called "Calvinism" or not.

Those that claim calvin's 5 heresies are biblical needs to quit listing to the devil's scripture twisting

Heresy is one of the things on God's list of "those that do these things shall not inherit the kingdom"

 

[Ronald Nolette]

In this latest post, I will tackle the most contentious of what are known as the "five points Calvinism" which were written to rebut the five points of Jacob Arminius at the Counsel of Dort. This is the letter I which stands for irresistible grace. What this means is that believers are irresistibly drawn to Christ while unbelievers are not.. It is more popularly known as the argument of free will vs. predestination.

I will attempt to show from Scripture the three big arguments swirling aro0und this point.

1. First and foremost, God does not predestinate people to hell.
As Scripture clearly says all men are born condemned by nature and all of mankind if left to its own will, would go to the lake of fire.

Scriptures:

Psalm 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Ephesians 2:12
That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (In the OT times, Gentiles who were not proselytes to Judaism were hopelessly lost)

Ephesians 2:13
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Romans 3:10

King James Version

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10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

I think we can all see that apart from faith in Jesus no one is saved but lost.

The next question that we must address is this, can an unsaved person who is in the "flesh" have an innate ability to choose god? People call this ability "free will".

Romans 3:11
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
1 Corinthians 1:18
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Romans 8:8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Isaiah 1:6
From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

So it is clear from Scripture that those unsaved and in the flesh CANNOT please God. Accepting Jesus as Savior pleases God and Scripture says the unsaved man CANNOT do that? So how does one get saved?

Well Scripture is clear that we must confess Jesus is Lord and believe in our heart that God raised Him from the dead in order to be saved.

Let us how that happens in two parts.

Part 1:

Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
John 10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Matthew 25:32
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Matthew 13:24-31

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24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

So we see Jesus speaks of sheep being sheep (eeither lost or need to be gathered from elsewhere) and wheat instead of tares. Nowhere in Scripture do we see anything implying that jesus turns goats in to sheep or tares into wheat.

So how do these sheep who know not jesus come to Him? (it is called pre=destination.) That is from the Greek "pro-orizo" which means to mark out in advance. Proof?
Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will
according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Ephesians 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Chosen is eklegomai which means:
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. to pick out, choose, to pick or choose out for one's self
   1. choosing one out of many, i.e. Jesus choosing his disciples
   2. choosing one for an office
   3. of God choosing whom he judged fit to receive his favours and separated from the rest of mankind to be peculiarly his own and to be attended continually by his gracious oversight

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Foreknow is pro-ginosko where we get our word prognosis from. This means knowledge in advance through pre planning. A surgeon can give a prognosis because they have done the procedure many times and know what will happen and what the outrcome will be.

This is just a short study to show that God chooses us and not we Him. We choose Him because He first chose us!

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. (God the Father gave us to Jesus)
John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

End Part 1
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[Ronald Nolette]

PART 2

Just to add two more set of verses that sahow it is God and not man who chooses those saved.

Romans 9:18-24

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18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Romans 9:11-16

King James Version

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11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Those that claim calvin's 5 heresies are biblical needs to quit listing to the devil's scripture twisting

Heresy is one of the things on God's list of "those that do these things shall not inherit the kingdom"

Let me ask you two questions?

Are you 100% perfect in every single doctrine the bible teaches?

How about people who believe 3of the five points? or 4 of the five points? Are they condemned to hell by you as well?

YOu have created yourself as an idol in th eplace of God by condemning your brothers and sisters to hell.

I never read a verse that says one must trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus and be perfect in all their doctrines in order to be saved.

But then again, you are one who believes that Jesus may not have died for all your sins.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

YOu have created yourself as an idol in th eplace of God by condemning your brothers and sisters to hell.

I'm not the One saying heresy is one of the works of the flesh that causes people to not inherit the Kingdom.

You'll have to argue with God about that, I'm simply telling you what He said.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

The 5 points you follow are not biblical unless one twists scripture and ignores a bunch of other scriptures.

Those 5 points are actually the wisdom of men being taught as though they are the wisdom of God which makes them heresy.

But to each his own, enjoy your 5 points all you want but understand that nobody is required to agree with them as those having the Holy Spirit as their Teacher (instead of John Calvin) cannot agree with your 5 points as they would have to deny the Doctrine of Christ as taught in the New Testament in order to do so.

One must chose who their Lord is, John Calvin or Jesus Christ.

Regardless of who likes or doesn't like it, I'll stick with Jesus Christ and His Word. Thank you very much.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm not the One saying heresy is one of the works of the flesh that causes people to not inherit the Kingdom.

You'll have to argue with God about that, I'm simply telling you what He said.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

The 5 points you follow are not biblical unless one twists scripture and ignores a bunch of other scriptures.

Those 5 points are actually the wisdom of men being taught as though they are the wisdom of God which makes them heresy.

But to each his own, enjoy your 5 points all you want but understand that nobody is required to agree with them as those having the Holy Spirit as their Teacher (instead of John Calvin) cannot agree with your 5 points as they would have to deny the Doctrine of Christ as taught in the New Testament in order to do so.

One must chose who their Lord is, John Calvin or Jesus Christ.

Regardless of who likes or doesn't like it, I'll stick with Jesus Christ and His Word. Thank you very much.

Well my Lord is Jesus Christ. He knows me and I know HIm! John Calvin was another believer who wrote on Scripture.

I assume you consider yourself 100% accurate on every doctrine of the Bible. That you have no heresies.

I also showed the biblical proof of predestination and how the unsaved man CANNOT choose god in and of themself (free will)
Onl;y the saved have biblical free will restored to them. Because only the saved can choose right from wrong. The unsaved because they have no biblical faith- all they do is considered sin as James wrote.

We did not choose God, God chose us!

Actually it is teh five points you believe that are derived from the wisdom of men. your following the five points of Jacob Arminius and calling that Bible.

so far I have shown from Scripture why the first fouor points of what is called "Calvinism" is the biblical stance.

YOu cannot show the unsaved have free will.
You cannot show that fallen man has a spiritual life in them and thus can choose divine good.
YOu cannot show that unsaved man has already received atonement.
You cannot show that unsaved man is drawn to Jesus by salvation.

You cannot show that goats are turned to sheep or tares are turned into wheat!

And Tomorrow I will show why the eternal security of believers is the biblical stance.

Once again, by your own hands you have written that you believe Jesus did not die for all of your sins and all of them have been erased. You live in the hope that you will be faithful enough to merit salvation which is a lie.

That is not the reasonings of a big boy, but a small man.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

John Calvin was another believer who wrote on Scripture.

John Calvin was a heretic who had people murdered for refusing to follow his false teachings.

You should get hooked up with The Teacher Jesus sent - the Holy Spirit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

John Calvin was a heretic who had people murdered for refusing to follow his false teachings.

You should get hooked up with The Teacher Jesus sent - the Holy Spirit.

I did over 50 years ago! but thanks for asking.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Those that got hooked up with The REAL Teacher Jesus sent - the REAL Holy Spirit would know John Calvin is a heretic that teachings things God's Word does not teach.

The fake jesus and the fake holy spirit is where John Calvin got his false doctrine from which is obvious by his scripture twisting and his ignoring all the scripture that does not agree with the heresy he is peddling.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This last post on what are called "the five points of Calvinism" will deal with the letter P which stands for perseverance of the saints or as commonly called , "once saved always saved or eternal security".

We will look at this from the biblical perspective in several ways.

1) DOES SIN SEND SOMEONE TO THE LAKE OF FIRE?

Many people believe that people go to the lake of fire for all eternity because they are sinners. But this is not what Jesus said.

From John 3:
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Jesus is the acceptable sacrifice for everybody's sins. However in order to receive the atonement (erasure of our sin ) one must believe in Jesus So people do not go to the lake of fire for being a sinner, but by being an unbeliever, and thus required to pay their sin debt for eternity.

2) DID JESUS DIE FOR ALL OF YOUR SINS?

Many people believe you can sin your way out of salvation. while most will not admit this, they are saying that Jesus did not die for everyones sins but only X amount of sin and if you cross that threshold, you forfeit your salvation. This also is untrue.

Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Romans 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 4:15
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Jesus became our sin, and we became His righteousness.

Jesus died for all of our sins!

3)WHY WE CANNOT LOSE OUR SALVATION

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Nobody (including ourselves) can remove us from Gods hands!

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, NEVER means never!

Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

He chose us before He even created the universe!

Romans 9:23
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

God prepared us ahead of time to be vessels of mercy!

Colossians 3:2-4

King James Version

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2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

You are dead and hidden in Jesus and when He appears we SHALL appear with HIm!

Based on all these verses, this is why I believe what are called the five points of Calvinism is the correct biblical position and the opposite which are the five points of Jacob Arminius are a wrong view of Scripture.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Those that got hooked up with The REAL Teacher Jesus sent - the REAL Holy Spirit would know John Calvin is a heretic that teachings things God's Word does not teach.

The fake jesus and the fake holy spirit is where John Calvin got his false doctrine from which is obvious by his scripture twisting and his ignoring all the scripture that does not agree with the heresy he is peddling.

I just posted the things god teaches and Calvin simply agreed with Gods' word. You need to stop hating and start studying! You rshallow studying has left you with a very misguided and erroneous view of god's Word.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Calvin simply agreed with Gods' word.

If you say so

I posted info showing Calvin does NOT agree with the Lord.

Better luck on the next topic!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If you say so

I posted info showing Calvin does NOT agree with the Lord.

Better luck on the next topic!

And I posted several dozen Scriptures that show Calvins writings were in total sync with Jesus and His word. I don't say so, gods word says so.

The error y0ou amke which is so common among Arminius followers is you mistake discipline in this life with losing salvation and using simple statements as proof of free will (which they do not). Also providing texts thaty address believers which have had free will restored to them with proof the unsaved have the same free will which Scriptures absolutely shows they do not.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I posted several dozen Scriptures that show Calvins writings were in total sync with Jesus

But that's the false jesus of calvinism, not the Real Jesus of the Bible

I feel sorry for you man, I really do.

Oh well, you have been warned.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

But that's the false jesus of calvinism, not the Real Jesus of the Bible

I feel sorry for you man, I really do.

Oh well, you have been warned.

So you believe the bible is not the Bible. Okay then.