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Calvinists certainly do not claim that God makes people sin. As for suggesting that Calvinists will rob your house and the claim it was God's will for them to do so, that's just nonsense.That's what the calvinists claim, God makes people do sin because they claim everything that happens is God making it happen.
This is why you don't want any calvinists to know where you live because they'll rob your house and claim it was God's will for them to take all your stuff
You have got a strange idea of what I and other Calvinists believe. The point is, they/we do indeed believe in the need to spread the gospel. I mentioned William Carey. He was Calvinistic in his beliefs, yet he obeyed the command of Christ to preach the gospel. He went to India, even though some others tried to dissuade him, one saying: "Young man, sit down. When God pleases to convert the heathen, He will do it without your aid, or mine." Personally, I am privileged to write a weekly biblical "Thought" for our local secular newspaper, and my prayer is that God will speak to readers of the paper through these "Thoughts."
It's only called that to make the acronym "TULIP." "Limited" gives the false idea of fewness. I prefer the term "particular redemption." This refers to what Jesus said about laying down His life for the sheep.
I have made no claim about my level of education. As for knowing what I believe, I echo Paul's words to Timothy:As ye high and mighty educated one was saying, you don't even know what you people believe!
Well, if you are doing to continue telling me what I believe, rather than taking any notice of what I say I believe, I am unsure how to continue this discussion. Sorry.
As extensively evidenced in this thread, what you (and Big Boy) reckon these "false beliefs" to be is/are itself/themselves false. And what is unfortunate is, that is... not always, but most of the time... how these "discussions" go.
Do not believe according to your opinion of what Calvin taught, which, like I said, is false. Not "stupid," but false.
If you don't believe, as Paul said, that for those in Christ, we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us, and nothing in all creation will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 8:37-39). If you are born again and in Christ, if you don't know the security you have in the Lord ~ which is faith itself according to Hebrews 11:1, the very assurance from God of things hoped for, the conviction by the Holy Spirit of things not seen ~ then that's... not a good place to be in. But faith itself is a gift of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:9) and all His gifts are apportioned to each indivitually as He wills (1 Corinthians 12:11), so, the faith some Christians have is not as strong as some other Christians. That's not to say they're "less Christian," but... it is what it is.
Fine. Maybe you got your misconceptions there. As an educated theologian, have you read Calvin's Institutes? It's not a hard read. If not, then I encourage you to read it, and if so, then I encourage you to read it again; perhaps a lot of your misconceptions would be... corrected.
I did not insinuate or say you said any of these things.
Because of your misconceptions of true Calvinistic beliefs. And you're not alone...
Pish.
No Calvinist worth his or her salt would say such a thing. Yet, God does work all things together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose. And that's Romans 8:28, originally written by Paul, not John Calvin. <smile>
Well good, and yes, what it is truly about. <smile>
I've said the same to both Big Boy and Grailhunter, David. But some people are so dug into their mindsets that they can't... break free, I guess you could say. That's called pride, and lack of humility, among other things. But of course I'm preaching to the choir, here... <smile>
Yeah, it's an idiotic assertion, to say the least. But so it goes.
Ah, that would be you, Big Boy. David and I know very well what you think Calvinism teaches... <smile>... as evidenced by the things you have said about it. But those thoughts and statements regarding what Calvinism teaches are quite wrong, as demonstrated by both of us.
Right, so then the question is who you are referring to when you say "calvinist brethren," and from what you say, they are not Calvinists; they understand at least the parts of God's Word we have discussed very contrary to how John Calvin (and thus true Calvinists) do.
Ah so now you're saying not that we "don't even know what we believe," but that we're liars about what we believe. Hm. I mean, you know... not surprising. You got nothing, Big Boy. Absolutely nothing. You think you do, sure, but you're fooling no one but yourself.
That's all you, Big Boy. And you're really gas-lighting yourself, actually.
Great! Thank you. I hope you pray for everybody...
All the Lord says is true, all your opinions and misunderstanding are not ya know
Says you, but correct exegesis and hermeneutics will prove you , in your classic Armenian theology is the one who is wrong.
So you are not here to discuss, but to accuse, hurl vile acewrbic accusations and then cut and run. Okay I will not waste any of my time responding to your lies.
Read John Calvin's Institutes, Big Boy. I dare you. <GRIN>
and you claim yours are false then? WOW!
Then you should stop belieivng the five points he wrote, you are his faithful parrot in the 21st Century.
Thank you! I find it difficult to discuss when people clearly have false conceptions of what I and others who believe the doctrines of grace actually believe.
I would correct that to the Lord has verified in His word that your (Big Boy Johnson's) idea of what Calvinism teaches is wrong.
So now you are not only calling fellow posters deceivers, you even seem to be saying that they are not even Christians.
Yet you seem to refuse to accept what Calvinists on this forum say they believe.
That is something for the moderators to deal with as they see fit. As I see it, there is nothing wrong with writing a post which disagrees with the premise of a thread title.
