THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

[Marilyn C]

No, Jesus said His KINGDOM is not of this world but is within/among them. And He said to the religious Jews that "If I by the finger of God cast out devils then no doubt the kingdom has come to you." And He and the apostles were preaching that the kingdom is NIGH....

Kingdom - rulership.

 

[Titus]

There are two ekklesia - the Church/Ekklesia in the wilderness and the church/Ekklesia the Body of Christ.

Wilderness, give Scripture.
It's only old testament.
When you read about the church in Acts it's now the revealed kingdom/church that Jesus said He would build.
God no longer added anyone to the old testament people, when Jesus' church was established in 30-33 AD

 

[Titus]

Cephas is another name for Peter (John 1:40-42)....Paul was referring to the foremost apostles. Again, not in an official way, just that in any group some will naturally emerge as leaders and that is often in an unspoken way. And leadership God's way is not about superiority, it's about servanthood and sacrifice for the sake of others. But I think I will drop the subject for now brother. I don't want to make this seem over-important.

You don't understand the magnitude of this subject if you think it doesn't have great importance.

Paul was not referring to any of the apostles.
There was a group of men falsely claiming to be apostles.
They did not have the Holy Spirit.
Their teachings were not Inspired.

I've taught what Jesus said on this matter with book, chapter and verse.
The Bible teaches us there were no prominent apostles.
Jesus taught against it.

 

[GracePeace]

A doctrine is NOT based on symbols and pictorial language. Doctrine is clear, straight forward language as Eph. 1 - 4 speaking of the New Man coming to the Perfect Man.

Yeah, Romans 7 says we're the wife married to a new husband bearing fruit to God.

 

[GracePeace]

Actually, I did go to Bible College.

How are you so mixed up then? lol

And did Peter want to go to the Gentiles. No! he had to be taken by the collar and shown that what God calls clean is clean. So, no Peter did not understand or obey the Lord until the Holy Spirit had to get to him.

Yeah, Peter didn't understand--I agree.
Still, eventually, they went, so... what's your point?
They went to the nations and taught the nations to observe all things Christ taught them to observe--meaning that your nonsensical idea that "Oh, no, that was instructions just for Israel" is debunked.

Yes, we are all in God`s Great Kingdom and are God`s family, however each group has a different inheritance.

Irrespectively, we're all baptized into Christ, all sharing in His bodily death and resurrection, thus are not in the flesh but in the Spirit (if the Spirit of Christ dwells in us), and we are His body and His body is His bride--it's all one faith in one truth of one Gospel (Gal 2)--so there's no basis for your poppycock divisions "church of Israel" and "church of body of Christ", because, again, if anyone would be in "church of Israel", but whom you categorize as being in "church of body of Christ", it's Paul, who was an Israelite and of the remnant being saved. Your placing him apart from "church of Israel" is just arbitrary nonsense--really, all of your structures are nonsense.

 

[Marilyn C]

Wilderness, give Scripture.
It's only old testament.
When you read about the church in Acts it's now the revealed kingdom/church that Jesus said He would build.
God no longer added anyone to the old testament people, when Jesus' church was established in 30-33 AD

See post 761.

`This is he who was in the Church in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us....` (Acts 7: 38)

I`m saying that God recognizes the two churches/ekklesia that He made - Israel and the Body of Christ.

 

[Marilyn C]

Yeah, Romans 7 says we're the wife married to a new husband bearing fruit to God.

The word is NOT `married,` but `might become.` The Greek work for `married` is `Gamed,` while in Rom. 7: 4 the Greek word is Ginomai.` See verse 13, the same word.

 

[Marilyn C]

How are you so mixed up then? lol

Yeah, Peter didn't understand--I agree.
Still, eventually, they went, so... what's your point?
They went to the nations and taught the nations to observe all things Christ taught them to observe--meaning that your nonsensical idea that "Oh, no, that was instructions just for Israel" is debunked.

Irrespectively, we're all baptized into Christ, all sharing in His bodily death and resurrection, thus are not in the flesh but in the Spirit (if the Spirit of Christ dwells in us), and we are His body and His body is His bride--it's all one faith in one truth of one Gospel (Gal 2)--so there's no basis for your poppycock divisions "church of Israel" and "church of body of Christ", because, again, if anyone would be in "church of Israel", but whom you categorize as being in "church of body of Christ", it's Paul, who was an Israelite and of the remnant being saved. Your placing him apart from "church of Israel" is just arbitrary nonsense--really, all of your structures are nonsense.

You have to prove that.

Where in God`s word do you see the 12 disciples going to the nations of the world?

The Body cannot be a Body and a Bride. Nonsense.

It is God who called Israel the Church in the wilderness. (Acts 7: 38)

Yes we, the believers in the Body of Christ are all baptised into one Body. However, God did not do an oops for 4,000 years.

 

[GracePeace]

The word is NOT `married,` but `might become.` The Greek work for `married` is `Gamed,` while in Rom. 7: 4 the Greek word is Ginomai.` See verse 13, the same word.

"in order that we might bear fruit for God" (instead of for death) removes any ambiguity.

 

[GracePeace]

You have to prove that.

Where in God`s word do you see the 12 disciples going to the nations of the world?

According to you, the Apostles disobeyed God, and did not go and teach the nations to observe what ever things He taught them to observe. LOL OK
Isn't that a weird foundation to build on--"My nonsense has to be correct--and, in order for it to be correct, Christ's Apostles were disobedient to Christ!" LOL!

The Body cannot be a Body and a Bride. Nonsense.

Adam's body was his bride. Not nonsense at all.

It is God who called Israel the Church in the wilderness. (Acts 7: 38)

Yeah, they were His congregation--today, His congregation is made up of all nations, as He said, "Go make disciples of all nations", and, as Jesus said, because they didn't bring forth the fruit of the vineyard, He would take the Kingdom from them and give it to another people who bring forth its fruit. Deuteronomy 32:21; Ro 11:13.

Dt 32:43“Rejoice, O nations, with His people : the nations are now part of His congregation.

Yes we, the believers in the Body of Christ are all baptised into one Body. However, God did not do an oops for 4,000 years.

Not sure what "oops" you're referring to. Please clarify. Are you saying the unbelieving Jews still have God's presence (Ex 33:15)?

Answer for why you arbitrarily exclude Paul from "remnant of Israel church" LOL
Your lack of a response on that point is conspicuous.

 

[Titus]

See post 761.

`This is he who was in the Church in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us....` (Acts 7: 38)

I`m saying that God recognizes the two churches/ekklesia that He made - Israel and the Body of Christ.

Thanks,
Acts 2 the church is the church of Christ not the church in the wilderness.
In the new covenant there is only one church.
Do you believe Paul?
There cannot be te churches in the new testament gospel of Jesus Christ.

How many churches did Jesus say He would build?

Remember the church in the wilderness already existed when Jesus said He will build His church.

Matthew 16:18-19,
How many did He say He will build?

 

[GracePeace]

Thanks,
Acts 2 the church is the church of Christ not the church in the wilderness.
In the new covenant there is only one church.
Do you believe Paul?
There cannot be te churches in the new testament gospel of Jesus Christ.

How many churches did Jesus say He would build?

Remember the church in the wilderness already existed when Jesus said He will build His church.

Matthew 16:18-19,
How many did He say He will build?

Yeah, but that's the Church that CHRIST is building--the rest of the Churches aren't being built by Christ! LOL!

 

[Titus]

Yeah, but that's the Church that CHRIST is building--the rest of the Churches aren't being built by Christ! LOL!

What other churches are there?

 

[GracePeace]

What other churches are there?

In their perspective, there is "the church of the remnant of Israel" and "the church of the body of Christ" (the "remnant of Israel Church" isn't part of the "body of Christ Church")--plus, Christ addresses "the churches" (in Revelation) LOL!

 

[Lizbeth]

Kingdom - rulership.

Yes but a ruler is ruling something, surely...?

 

[Titus]

In their perspective, there is "the church of the remnant of Israel" and "the church of the body of Christ" (the "remnant of Israel Church" isn't part of the "body of Christ Church")--plus, Christ addresses "the churches" (in Revelation) LOL!

All my posts are Bible teaching.
Not anything else.
How many churches did Jesus say He would build?

 

[GracePeace]

All my posts are Bible teaching.
Not anything else.
How many churches did Jesus say He would build?

1. Yes, everyone claims their posts are Bible teaching.
2. I was being sarcastic, because these people are ridiculous.

 

[GracePeace]

All my posts are Bible teaching.
Not anything else.
How many churches did Jesus say He would build?

In other words, if they want to interpret "I will build My Church" as "the remnant of Israel Church", excluding "the body of Christ Church", then they would have to find someone else who was building "the body of Christ Church" LOL!

 

[Titus]

1. Yes, everyone claims their posts are Bible teaching.
2. I was being sarcastic, because these people are ridiculous.

You mentioned churches in revelation.
How many churches did Jesus say He would build?

 

[GracePeace]

You mentioned churches in revelation.
How many churches did Jesus say He would build?

Quit debating the point with me LOL
You're like a little dog trying to hump someone's leg.
I'M ON YOUR SIDE