Biblical Saving Faith: The word Defines It For Us

[Titus]

Faith saves.
Grace saves.
How does God teach us that both must be present in order to be cleansed by the blood of Christ?
What sayeth the Scriptures?


Biblical Faith is confidence in spiritual things based upon the evidence, Hebrews 11:1

John 3:16,
- for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever  believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

Hebrews 5:8-9,
- and being made perfect Jesus became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that  obey Him

The Bible states everlasting life requires belief and eternal salvation requires obedience.
These two words indicate that belief or faith must include obedience for faith to be Biblical saving faith.

John 3:16 = John 3:36,
- he that  believeth on the Son hath everlasting life...
and he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life...

John 3:36 has two different Greek words for believeth and obeyeth.

Hebrews 3:18-19,
- and to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest but to them that believed not
- so we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief

The opposite must also be true, those who will enter into his rest obey.
And those that can enter in believe.

Romans 1:8; Romans 16:19,
- first I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all that your  faith is spoken of througout the whole world
- for your obedience is come abroad unto all men I am glad therefore on your behalf...
Faith= Obedience.


Gods Grace: Everything God has done that brought about our salvation.

Genesis 6:8,
- but Noah found  grace in the eyes of the Lord

What did Gods grace do for Noah?
Answer: Gods grace told Noah how to be saved.

God told Noah to build an ark.
Genesis 6:22,
- thus did Noah according to all that God commanded him, so did he

Noah obeyed Gods commandments.

Didn't the Bible say Noah was saved by grace?
What do we call Noah following Gods instructions, working on the ark building the boat to Gods specifications?
The answer is found in the new testament.
Hebrews 11:7,
- by faith Noah being warned of God things not seen as yet moved with fear prepared an ark to the saving of his house by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is by  faith

What does the Bible call the building of the ark? What was Noah doing when he obeyed Gods commands?
Answer: the Bible calls it Faith!!!

Do you suppose that after the flood Noah bragged about how he built the ark and saved himself?
The ark didn't float because Noah was a great boat builder.
The ark floated because of Gods  grace. God gave Noah instruction on how to be saved by guiding him on how to build an ark. That's Gods grace in all that he did for Noah to bring about his salvation.

Noah's obedient faith and Gods grace saved Noah. No merit involved.

What does the Bible call Moses and the Israelites crossing the red sea?
Exodus 14:14 ; 16,
- the Lord shall fight for you(Gods grace provides everything they need to be saved) and ye shall hold your peace
- but lift thy up thy rod and stretch out thy hand over the sea and divide it and the children of
Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea

What does the Bible call Moses' obedience to Gods commands by lifting up his rod dividing the red sea and crossing over on dry ground?

The answer is found in the new testament.
Hebrews 11:29,
- by faith they passed through the red sea as by dry land which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned

Their obedience by working the commandments of God is defined by the Scriptures as their faith!!!
Do you suppose Moses bragged that he saved himself by raising his rod and walking across the red sea?
Gods grace saved Moses by Moses obeying Gods commandments. This is by grace one is saved through faith.

The children of God grew tired of mana and complained against God.
God sent serpents to bite His children.
Numbers 21:6-9,
- and the Lord sent firey serpents among the people and they bit the people and much people of Israel died
- therefore the people came to Moses and said, we have sinned for we have spoken against the Lord and against thee pray unto the Lord that He take away the serpents from us, and Moses prayed for the people
- and the Lord said unto Moses make thee a firey serpent and sit it upon a pole and it shall come to pass that everyone that is bitten when he looketh upon it, he shall live
- and Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole and it came to pass that if a serpent had bitten any man when he beheld the serpent of brass he lived

God instructed Moses to make a brass serpent and place it on a pole.
If the children of God would look at the pole they would be saved.

If you had been bitten. Would you have said to Moses, " I wont look at the pole, because I know I will be saved by my faith only" ?

Of course not!!! It would be a lack of faith to not look upon the pole.
They were saved just as we are saved today, Ephesians 2:8-9.
For by Grace they were saved when they exercised their faith and looked at the snake on the pole.
Likewise for by grace we are saved when through faith we obey God.

John 3:14-15, 36
- as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness even so must the Son of man be lifted up
- that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have eternal life
- for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life
- he that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life and he that obeyeth not
the Son shall not see life but the wrath of God abideth on him

Faith without obedience is dead.
It is true that faith saves. But the Bible never says we are saved by faith only.

James 2:26; 24,
- for as the body without the spirit is dead so faith without works is dead also

Faith without obedience is not Bible faith.
- ye see then how by works a man is justified and not by faith alone

 

[mailmandan]

YOUR EISEGESIS CULMINATES IN SALVATION BY FAITH (your version of faith) AND WORKS in contradiction to Scripture. (Romans 4:2-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9)

 

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YOUR EISEGESIS CULMINATES IN SALVATION BY FAITH (your version of faith) AND WORKS in contradiction to Scripture. (Romans 4:2-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9)

He emphasized obedience, not what you call behavior or works.

Obedience is inwardly; works is only outwardly.

 

[mailmandan]

He emphasized obedience, not what you call behavior or works.

He emphasizes obedience/works (in addition to faith) as the basis or means by which we receive salvation. Faith is belief, trust, reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation (Ephesians 2:8) and obedience which follows is works. (Ephesians 2:10)

 

[soberxp]

He emphasizes obedience/works (in addition to faith) as the basis or means by which we receive salvation. Faith is belief, trust, reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation (Ephesians 2:8) and obedience which follows is works. (Ephesians 2:10)

23:28
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity

 

[mailmandan]

23:28
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity

Did you mean Matthew 23:28? Who was Jesus addressing here? “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! (Matthew 23:27) They had a major issue with self-righteousness.

 

[mailmandan]

Feel free to pick up more on this topic in this thread below:

JUSTIFICATION: Before God or Before Man? Examining James chapter 2

This OP is about James 2. You claim James teaches faith alone salvation in James 2. Quote James teaching your gospel? Your silence speaks louder than words. Context. In James 2:14 we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith...

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[soberxp]

Did you mean Matthew 23:28? Who was Jesus addressing here? “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! (Matthew 23:27) They had a major issue with self-righteousness.

Yes.

What Jesus Christ is saying here is that those who only seem to be doing good are actually disobeying God(good).

Faith is belief, belief is based on Obey the word of God.
belief comes from within,which is Obedience.

Without faith in obedience, there is no works.- ye see then how by works a man is justified and not by faith alone.

 

[soberxp]

Feel free to pick up more on this topic in this thread below:

JUSTIFICATION: Before God or Before Man? Examining James chapter 2

This OP is about James 2. You claim James teaches faith alone salvation in James 2. Quote James teaching your gospel? Your silence speaks louder than words. Context. In James 2:14 we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith...

www.christianityboard.com

A: I think I've answered the question above.#8

 

[mailmandan]

Yes.

What Jesus Christ is saying here is that those who only seem to be doing good are actually disobeying God(good).

Faith is belief, belief is based on Obey the word of God.
belief comes from within,which is Obedience.

Without faith in obedience, there is no works.- ye see then how by works a man is justified and not by faith alone.

Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24)

*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. (Romans 3:24-28)

It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*

 

[soberxp]

Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24)

*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works. (Romans 3:24-28)

It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*

Faith Without obedience, there is no works and faith.- ye see then how by works a man is justified and not by faith alone.
By faith with obedience.

Oh my God, Please read it carefully. This sentence itself is not about works,.(ye see then how by works a man is justified and not by faith alone.)

 

[mailmandan]

Faith Without obedience, there is no works and faith.- ye see then how by works a man is justified and not by faith alone.
By faith with obedience.

In James 2:14 we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So, when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith.

*So, James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!

In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)

The Greek word for justified "dikaioo" has more than one meaning depending on the context.

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered - fits the context.
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

Dikaioo Meaning - Greek Lexicon | New Testament (NAS)

 

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Faith Without obedience, there is no works and faith.- ye see then how by works a man is justified and not by faith alone.
By faith with obedience.

Oh my God, Please read it carefully. This sentence itself is not about works,.(ye see then how by works a man is justified and not by faith alone.)

Come on.... That is not about works at all.

By faith is alone.

By faith with obedience is flawless.

 

[mailmandan]

Faith Without obedience, there is no works and faith.- ye see then how by works a man is justified and not by faith alone.
By faith with obedience.

Oh my God, Please read it carefully. This sentence itself is not about works,.(ye see then how by works a man is justified and not by faith alone.)

Come on.... That is not about works at all.

I already explained this. Now faith is the root of salvation and obedience/works which "follow" is the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root. Faith is faith and obedience which "follows" is works.

 

[Behold]

It is true that faith saves.

Faith does not save anyone.

God saves, throught faith, based on the Sacrifice of Jesus.

So, when you hear someone say that 'faith saves you" then you are dealing with someone who does not understand God's Salvation.

Its "GRACE... through Faith".......not Faith is Grace.

 

[soberxp]

Faith does not save anyone.

God saves, throught faith, based on the Sacrifice of Jesus.

So, when you hear someone say that 'faith saves you" then you are dealing with someone who does not understand God's Salvation.

Its "GRACE... through Faith".......not Faith is Grace.

Sorry,I have to say, there is no wisdom of God.