Jesus is God

[Pet]

Jesus is equal with God...
John 10:30-36, a commentary

10.30. I and My Father are one.

10:30 I and The Father are one - Not by consent of will only, but by unity of power, and consequently of nature. Are - This word confutes Sabellius, proving the plurality of persons: one - This word confutes Arius, proving the unity of nature in God. Never did any prophet before, from the beginning of the world, use any one expression of himself, which could possibly be so interpreted as this and other expressions were, by all that heard our Lord speak. Therefore if Jesus was not God, then why did He say this?

John 10:31
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.

John 10:32
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from My Father; for which of those works do ye stone Me?

John 10:33
The Jews answered Him, saying, For a good work we stone Thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that Thou, being a man, makest Thyself God.

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:34 Psa 82:6.

John 10:35
If He called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

10:35 If He (God) called them gods unto whom the Word of God came, (that is, to whom God was then speaking,) and the Scripture cannot be broken - That is, nothing which is written therein can be censured or rejected.

John 10:36
Say ye of Him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am The Son of God?

10:36 Say ye of Him Whom The Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world - This sanctification (whereby he is essentially the Holy One of God) is mentioned as prior to his mission, and together with it implies, Christ was God in the highest sense, infinitely superior to that wherein those judges were so called.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Jesus is equal with God...
John 10:30-36, a commentary

10.30. I and My Father are one.

10:30 I and The Father are one - Not by consent of will only, but by unity of power, and consequently of nature. Are - This word confutes Sabellius, proving the plurality of persons: one - This word confutes Arius, proving the unity of nature in God. Never did any prophet before, from the beginning of the world, use any one expression of himself, which could possibly be so interpreted as this and other expressions were, by all that heard our Lord speak. Therefore if Jesus was not God, then why did He say this?

John 10:31
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.

John 10:32
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from My Father; for which of those works do ye stone Me?

John 10:33
The Jews answered Him, saying, For a good work we stone Thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that Thou, being a man, makest Thyself God.

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:34 Psa 82:6.

John 10:35
If He called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

10:35 If He (God) called them gods unto whom the Word of God came, (that is, to whom God was then speaking,) and the Scripture cannot be broken - That is, nothing which is written therein can be censured or rejected.

John 10:36
Say ye of Him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am The Son of God?

10:36 Say ye of Him Whom The Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world - This sanctification (whereby he is essentially the Holy One of God) is mentioned as prior to his mission, and together with it implies, Christ was God in the highest sense, infinitely superior to that wherein those judges were so called.

Yes, the Deity of Jesus is unquestionably the orthodox position of the Christian Church. The Creeds state that Jesus had a dual nature, a Divine Nature and a fully Human Nature, body and spirit. The Creeds also state that God is a plurality or a composite unity encompassing the separate Persons of Father, Son, and Spirit. All three Persons are from eternity and generate Jesus from eternity into time.

 

[bdavidc]

Yes, the Deity of Jesus is unquestionably the orthodox position of the Christian Church. The Creeds state that Jesus had a dual nature, a Divine Nature and a fully Human Nature, body and spirit. The Creeds also state that God is a plurality or a composite unity encompassing the separate Persons of Father, Son, and Spirit. All three Persons are from eternity and generate Jesus from eternity into time.

You're right that Jesus is fully God, and that truth is non-negotiable. But a few parts of what you said go beyond what the Bible actually teaches.

First, while it’s common to say Jesus has a “dual nature,” the Bible doesn’t use that kind of wording. It clearly tells us He is both God and man (John 1:1, John 1:14, Colossians 2:9), but it doesn’t explain it in philosophical terms. We just need to stick with what’s written and not go beyond that (1 Corinthians 4:6).

Second, the idea that Jesus was “generated from eternity into time” is not in Scripture. Jesus wasn’t created or produced. He is eternal. He’s always existed as God (Micah 5:2, John 1:1). Saying He was “generated” can confuse people and make it sound like He had a beginning, which would be false.

Also, calling God a “composite unity” is human language, not Bible language. Scripture says God is one (Deuteronomy 6:4), and it shows the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit working together as one God (Matthew 28:19), but it doesn’t label Him with philosophical terms.

So while you’re right to affirm Jesus’ deity, it’s important we use the words God gave us in His Word, not ideas added later by creeds or traditions. The Bible is clear and complete.

 

[Randy Kluth]

You're right that Jesus is fully God, and that truth is non-negotiable. But a few parts of what you said go beyond what the Bible actually teaches.

First, while it’s common to say Jesus has a “dual nature,” the Bible doesn’t use that kind of wording. It clearly tells us He is both God and man (John 1:1, John 1:14, Colossians 2:9), but it doesn’t explain it in philosophical terms. We just need to stick with what’s written and not go beyond that (1 Corinthians 4:6).

Second, the idea that Jesus was “generated from eternity into time” is not in Scripture. Jesus wasn’t created or produced. He is eternal. He’s always existed as God (Micah 5:2, John 1:1). Saying He was “generated” can confuse people and make it sound like He had a beginning, which would be false.

Also, calling God a “composite unity” is human language, not Bible language. Scripture says God is one (Deuteronomy 6:4), and it shows the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit working together as one God (Matthew 28:19), but it doesn’t label Him with philosophical terms.

So while you’re right to affirm Jesus’ deity, it’s important we use the words God gave us in His Word, not ideas added later by creeds or traditions. The Bible is clear and complete.

I strongly disagree with you. We must translate what the Bible says into the language of common people, who express things in their own words. I could quote the Bible in Greek or Hebrew to them, and they wouldn't get a word! Even in English it is advisable to read commentaries, lexicons, and Concordances, to better understand the background and meaning of what is being said.

The words and phrases I use come from historical discussions and are dignified by scholarly discourse on the subject. If you are disinteerested, just read your Bible. Don't read anything else. And don't even consider your own words worth listening to, unless, of course, you're quoting Scriptures.

I'm being a bit facetious here. I do recognize your point that we should not go beyond firm boundaries. But the Creeds are those firm boundaries--not just Scriptures. They are discussions of what the Bible teaches, so that the Church at large can know how it should be interpreted or understood. This is also what the Levites did, in giving sense to the reading of the Scriptures.

Ezra 8.8 They read from the Book of the Law of God, making it clear and giving the meaning so that the people understood what was being read.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The Creeds state that Jesus had a dual nature, a Divine Nature and a fully Human Nature

He's actually 100% God and 100% man simultaneously

 

[Randy Kluth]

He's actually 100% God and 100% man simultaneously

Yes, that's what I said.

 

[Pet]

Look up micah 5:2 In the NIV. ;/

 

[Pet]

Yes, that's what I said.

He means that there is not a 'dual nature', which would suggest that Jesus was 50/50.
Jesus was fully human during His ministry, and fully divine at the same time (with The H. S.)
After the resurrection, Jesus is fully God. That is why Thomas said "my Lord and my God". (The God)

 

[Randy Kluth]

He means that there is not a 'dual nature', which would suggest that Jesus was 50/50.
Jesus was fully human during His ministry, and fully divine at the same time (with The H. S.)
After the resurrection, Jesus is fully God. That is why Thomas said "my Lord and my God". (The God)

I was reciting the Creedal formula, which has Jesus with equal parts of Deity and Humanity. That is, 100% Deity and 100% Humanity.

I don't know where you or he get the idea of 50-50. That has never been the Creedal formula. A "dual nature" in Christology refers not to 50-50 but rather, to 100% of each nature. That is still a "dual nature."

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

In the NIV

If you want false doctrine, use the NIV

It's choked full of false doctrine!

 

[Davy]

He means that there is not a 'dual nature', which would suggest that Jesus was 50/50.
Jesus was fully human during His ministry, and fully divine at the same time (with The H. S.)
After the resurrection, Jesus is fully God. That is why Thomas said "my Lord and my God". (The God)

Still not a Biblical idea. 50/50 belongs more to mixing coolant in vehicle radiators.

God's Word teaches that we each have 3 parts; a spirit, a soul, and bones and marrow (flesh).

God's Word teaches that when our flesh dies, our spirit and soul goes back to God Who gave it.

God's Word teaches us to not fear those who can kill our flesh body and not our soul, but to fear Him Who can destroy our spirit body and our soul at the future "lake of fire".

God's Word teaches that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit.

God's Word teaches that as we have borne the "image of the earthy', we shall also bear the "image of the heavenly".

God's Word teaches that if our earthly house were dissolved, we still have a building from God, not made with hands, but eternal in the heavens.

So what's all that 50/50 stuff about Lord Jesus when He walked the earth? Lord Jesus never stopped... being Immanuel God with us while He walked this earth in a flesh shell. There was no 50/50 mix like mixing coolant in a car radiator. Flesh won't mix with Spirit. How could you guys not know that?

We each have a spirit body and soul dwelling inside... our flesh body. Our flesh body is only a shell, or house, for our spirit and soul to dwell in, while alive on this earth. The real YOU is your spirit with soul; they are both attached together and both leave your flesh together when your flesh dies. In Ecclesiastes 12:5-7, it reveals a thing called a "silver cord", and that is what connects our spirit/soul to our flesh body. When our flesh body dies, that silver cord is severed, and our spirit/soul goes back to God in the heavenly.

 

[Taken]

Jesus is God

Yes.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Jesus is God

Yes.

Glory to God,
Taken

AMEN!!:

The LORD Jesus Christ Is God Almightly!!!

 

[Davy]

AMEN!!:

The LORD Jesus Christ Is God Almightly!!!

Yes, and that is why Jesus Christ was STILL FULLY GOD while in a flesh body like ours.

The difference was that His SPIRIT is GOD The Savior, even while He was in the flesh!

And when His 'flesh'... died on the cross, His SPIRIT was released BACK TO ITS PREVIOUS STATE IN THE HEAVENLY, with His flesh body "quickened" by The Spirit.

 

[Pet]

I was reciting the Creedal formula, which has Jesus with equal parts of Deity and Humanity. That is, 100% Deity and 100% Humanity.

I don't know where you or he get the idea of 50-50. That has never been the Creedal formula. A "dual nature" in Christology refers not to 50-50 but rather, to 100% of each nature. That is still a "dual nature."

Yes

 

[Pet]

If you want false doctrine, use the NIV

It's choked full of false doctrine!

Yes

 

[Pet]

Still not a Biblical idea. 50/50 belongs more to mixing coolant in vehicle radiators.

God's Word teaches that we each have 3 parts; a spirit, a soul, and bones and marrow (flesh).

God's Word teaches that when our flesh dies, our spirit and soul goes back to God Who gave it.

God's Word teaches us to not fear those who can kill our flesh body and not our soul, but to fear Him Who can destroy our spirit body and our soul at the future "lake of fire".

God's Word teaches that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit.

God's Word teaches that as we have borne the "image of the earthy', we shall also bear the "image of the heavenly".

God's Word teaches that if our earthly house were dissolved, we still have a building from God, not made with hands, but eternal in the heavens.

So what's all that 50/50 stuff about Lord Jesus when He walked the earth? Lord Jesus never stopped... being Immanuel God with us while He walked this earth in a flesh shell. There was no 50/50 mix like mixing coolant in a car radiator. Flesh won't mix with Spirit. How could you guys not know that?

We each have a spirit body and soul dwelling inside... our flesh body. Our flesh body is only a shell, or house, for our spirit and soul to dwell in, while alive on this earth. The real YOU is your spirit with soul; they are both attached together and both leave your flesh together when your flesh dies. In Ecclesiastes 12:5-7, it reveals a thing called a "silver cord", and that is what connects our spirit/soul to our flesh body. When our flesh body dies, that silver cord is severed, and our spirit/soul goes back to God in the heavenly.

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[Pet]

Wondering if people read posts before they go off on one ;)

 

[Randy Kluth]

If you want false doctrine, use the NIV

It's choked full of false doctrine!

Rather, the use of older manuscripts is thought to add to how we should translate into English the original autographs, which don't exist. The more copies we have that are descended from the originals, the more we can come up with something close to the original.

And the older these copies are, the more likely they contain less scribal errors. And modern versions like to make use of the oldest manuscripts because they may exclude texts added later by scribes.

Modern versions may put things in different words to communicate the idea in another language somewhat different from how they were expressed in the original language. But that doesn't mean the meaning is being changed. Some translations are more "word for word," but can seem less fluid, and thus harder to understand.

Other translations can be more easily understood as a paraphrase or other form of unliteral description, but then it becomes more difficult to form opinions based on the original wording. I totally disagree that false doctrine comes out of these various modern translations. If anything they may have eliminated some texts added by scribes that should not have been added and which have contributed to false doctrine.

Most of these versions tend to include footnotes or asterisks to show where there is some controversy, to make it clear that dogma is not being specifically related on all occasions. Then instead of communicating "false doctrine" they are contributing to possible representations of the original texts that could exclude false doctrine.

 

[Davy]

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See Hebrews 4:12 and...
Matthew 10:28,
Ecclesiastes 12:5-7,
1 Corinthians 15:42-53,
2 Corinthians 5:1-9,

We each, right now, have 3 Parts to how God created us:
1. a soul -- your person, you, what makes you an individual
2. a spirit -- your spirit body which dwells inside your flesh body with your soul.
3. bones and marrow -- a flesh body, made up of bones and marrow that makes blood, etc.

Where each Part is from, and what realm:
1. the soul -- it operates in the heavenly dimension, even though it is linked to your flesh body right now while alive on earth. At flesh death it is released from the flesh body.

2. a spirit -- it is a heavenly type body, the actual "spiritual body" Apostle Paul taught of in 1 Corinthians 15. It is tied to our soul, we each have a spirit body and it looks how we look with the "image of the heavenly" that Paul taught. When our flesh body dies, our spirit body with soul simply steps out of our dead flesh body.

3. bones and marrow -- a flesh body. God pulled this body from the dirt of the ground. It is an earthly body only, not a heavenly body. When it dies, it decays back into the elements of the earth and is no more. It is a body of 'corruption', and we will never need it again.

4. the "silver cord" (Eccl.12) -- an invisible cord which links our spirit/soul with our flesh body while alive on the earth. At flesh death, the "silver cord" is severed, and thus our spirit/soul is loosed from our flesh body.


Lord Jesus' resurrection was different than any other. His flesh body was never found. Reason is because His flesh body was "quickened" to the heavenly body state. See 1 Peter 3:18-19 and 1 Corinthians 15:45 about Jesus' flesh body being transfigured to a heavenly body. And per the Apostle's witness who saw Jesus after His resurrection, His resurrection body retained the marks of His crucifixion.

The resurrection for all others will not involve their old flesh body. It won't be quickened like Lord's Jesus' flesh body was that was never found.