In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

[Davy]

You calling OSAS "from the devil" shows more about you, than the doctrine.
If you believe in work-based salvation only and call those from the devil, that have been adopted by Christ and thus saved indefinetly, you're far from accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour.

I pray for Jesus to guide you into the body of Christ, so you might overcome your irrational fear of the devil.

Let's see, did Apostle Paul say all sins forever are forgiven at our first belief on Jesus Christ...

Rom 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

Can you READ the above Scripture by Apostle Paul, or do you kind of have some type of cloudy film over your eyes?

All sin up to the time of our 1st belief on Lord Jesus Christ are forgiven. Future sin after that we still need to repent of and ask Him forgiveness for, AS I HAVE ALREADY PROVEN BY APOSTLE JOHN IN THE 1 JOHN 1 CHAPTER.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Let's see, did Apostle Paul say all sins forever are forgiven at our first belief on Jesus Christ...

Rom 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

Can you READ the above Scripture by Apostle Paul, or do you kind of have some type of cloudy film over your eyes?

All sin up to the time of our 1st belief on Lord Jesus Christ are forgiven. Future sin after that we still need to repent of and ask Him forgiveness for, AS I HAVE ALREADY PROVEN BY APOSTLE JOHN IN THE 1 JOHN 1 CHAPTER.

Jesus said he who believes is not condemned

He who does not believe is condemned already

Again why do you lack faith in God. If Jesus did not pay for every sin the sin he left
Unpaid Can.not be forgiven

 

[Judas Thomas]

Let's see, did Apostle Paul say all sins forever are forgiven at our first belief on Jesus Christ...

Rom 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

Can you READ the above Scripture by Apostle Paul, or do you kind of have some type of cloudy film over your eyes?

All sin up to the time of our 1st belief on Lord Jesus Christ are forgiven. Future sin after that we still need to repent of and ask Him forgiveness for, AS I HAVE ALREADY PROVEN BY APOSTLE JOHN IN THE 1 JOHN 1 CHAPTER.

Brother the highest witness I quoted to support this doctrine was Jesus Christ. With all due respect to Paul, he does not stand above Jesus. That's sloppy theology, that misguides you into performative faith. Satan uses religious logic to make us deny Jesus, who saved all who truly believe in him, in heart, not performance. Satan doesn't say "Sin!". He says: "You're the best follower of God, when you're keeping all the laws.", growing the seed of pride in you.

 

[Behold]

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

Paul's verse does not say...."sins in the past only".....as you have been misled to believe.

Now, see it like this...for the correct revelation.

"our Sins are in the Past, because Jesus is the "one time ETERNAL = Sacrifice for sin".

This is why God does not CHARGE sin, to a Christian......as Paul teaches..

Romans 4:8

2 Cor 5:19

God does not charge sin to a Christian..., because "God hath made Jesus to be SIN for us".

 

[Rockerduck]

Now you know better than to make that ignorant false statement.

I never said anything... against Christ's Salvation, but actually I confirmed what HE said. You should try reading that prayer He gave His Church in Luke 11 sometime, and say it.

OSAS is a doctrine of the devil.

The reason is, is because while we are in these flesh vehicles here on earth, which are under the 'law of sin' (Apostle Paul said it, not me, per Romans 7), then we are going to still have FUTURE SIN, future slip ups.

BUT... man's FALSE ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED doctrines instead claim WE HAVE NO FURTHER NEED TO REPENT OR ASK FORGIVENESS OF FUTURE SIN, BECAUSE JESUS FORGIVE ALL SIN WE HAVE, OR MAY, EVER COMMIT! That idea is NOT Biblical! And it is very dangerous, and will CUT YOU OFF FROM HEEDING THE HOLY SPIRIT!

I already mentioned how some of the OSAS churches have quit doing Communion with Christ, which is supposed to be a time for us to examine ourselves, and work out our problems with Lord Jesus. Well, man's FALSE OSAS says there ain't anything to work out, because you cannot sin anymore after have believed on Lord Jesus Christ! Of course they are lying, by another spirit.

They are so.... guilty of sin still, that no wonder Lord Jesus showed in Matthew 7 that He will shut the door on them and say He never knew them, even after they claimed to have done many works in His Name!

Notice just which sins Apostle Paul said are forgiven at our first acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Savior...

Rom 3:24-25
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

You didn't ask for salvation, God gave it to you. It is a free gift you didn't work for. If God give you a gift, how can you, a flesh filled sinner, even take something back from an infinite God, whose ways are higher than yours. The gift of the Holy Spirit is your seal until the day of redemption. It is permanent.

 

[Davy]

You didn't ask for salvation, God gave it to you.

What kind of silliness is that statement?

Of course I asked Lord Jesus Christ to be my Savior, and prayed to The Father for forgiveness of my sins, and I was baptized in Christ's Name by water and The Holy Spirit.

The 'free gift' idea YOU are attempting... to refer to, is the IDEA that we cannot EARN our Salvation, that it is a FREE GIFT via God's Grace, which is true. That still has nothing... to do with man's false OSAS doctrines though, simply because we are STILL to ask forgiveness of FUTURE SIN we may fall into. Or didn't you read all the Bible Scripture I showed on that???

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

Yes, explain to everyone how even if they forsake the Lord and live after the flesh (live in sin) they are still saved making the Lord a minister of sin claiming He supports and accepts those who are workers of iniquity

Security only applies to those who abide in Christ.
Jesus is like Noah's Ark... as long as one is abiding IN the Ark they are saved.

Sinful behavior is throwing one's self overboard and since they are no longer in the safety of the Ark (abiding IN Christ)... they are not longer on their way to Heaven but are once again on their way to hell.... unless they REPENT, confessing their sin to the Lord and forsaking their sin so they can be cleansed of unrighteousness and once again be back in right standing with the Father (see Proverbs 28:13, 1 John 1:9) just like the prodigal son who was dead while away but alive once again when he returned to the Father. (see Luke 15:24-26)

The smart ones know this and abide IN Christ so they aren't cut off as Jesus told us about in John 15 which is what happens to those that do not abide IN Him.

Those that follow false doctrines that ignore the teachings of Jesus... well, not much hope for them and when they get where they are going, they will regret their false doctrine for all eternity!

They will stand before the Lord and try to argue that OSAS is correct doctrine, right before they are cast in to hell.

 

[Rockerduck]

What kind of silliness is that statement?

Of course I asked Lord Jesus Christ to be my Savior, and prayed to The Father for forgiveness of my sins, and I was baptized in Christ's Name by water and The Holy Spirit.

The 'free gift' idea YOU are attempting... to refer to, is the IDEA that we cannot EARN our Salvation, that it is a FREE GIFT via God's Grace, which is true. That still has nothing... to do with man's false OSAS doctrines though, simply because we are STILL to ask forgiveness of FUTURE SIN we may fall into. Or didn't you read all the Bible Scripture I showed on that???

You cannot come the Jesus without the Father drawing you. John 6:44.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You cannot come the Jesus without the Father drawing you. John 6:44.

This includes Jesus as well:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth ALL men every where to repent:

You didn't ask for salvation, God gave it to you.

I asked for salvation they Jesus already paid for me to have, and then He gave me what He wanted me to have, salvation!

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Let's see, did Apostle Paul say all sins forever are forgiven at our first belief on Jesus Christ...

Rom 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

Can you READ the above Scripture by Apostle Paul, or do you kind of have some type of cloudy film over your eyes?

All sin up to the time of our 1st belief on Lord Jesus Christ are forgiven. Future sin after that we still need to repent of and ask Him forgiveness for, AS I HAVE ALREADY PROVEN BY APOSTLE JOHN IN THE 1 JOHN 1 CHAPTER.

This surface thinking is so typical of antagonists in their attempts at corrupting the minds of others. God is perfect and His standard is total perfection. Nothing imperfect can exist in His presence without Him passing judgment. That means, after accepting Christ, if all your future sins are not forgiven then, from the very moment you place your faith in Christ, you must be perfect in dealing with your sin. If you commit a sin after being saved, and all Christians still sin, then EVERY sin must be confessed and repented of perfectly. Even one sin not covered by the cross could send you to hell. After all, the Bible says:

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” James 2:10

So, given that past sins are perfectly dealt with through perfect redemption, that forces upon this false doctrine presented by Davy to be an impossible standard for anyone in relation to future sins. We are all doomed on this basis posited by Davy. It is only in pride that anyone would think that they can perfectly confess and repent from all future sins.

Who here can possibly say that he or she knows and can name every sin they have committed on any given day? Anyone holding up their hand on that one is only those claiming to be what they are not. If Davy says that we're not required to uphold such a standard, he's still defeating his own point in all this, because imperfect confession of each and every sin defeats his case that he claims to believe.

Dude, you really aren't thinking this through to its logical conclusion, because if you die before confessing a sin you had just committed before having a chance to confess and ask forgiveness, then the flames of Hell are licking at your heels every moment of every day because you, like all the rest of us, were BORN IN SIN, and are living in that body of death just like all the rest of us are in ours. If your continued salvation is based upon your works of repentance, then I feel so very sorry for you.

BTW

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

you, like all the rest of us, were BORN IN SIN

Wow, so God created to to be a sinner?

I'm glad He did not created me to be a sinner!

Claiming God created people to be sinners is the excuse the eternal security crowd uses to keep living in sin

If your continued salvation is based upon your works of repentance, then I feel so very sorry for you.

More excuses to keep on living in sin and claiming if one does live in sin they are still saved!

 

[BeforeThereWas]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

I have already well... established their FALSE OSAS doctrine by proof of Bible Scripture.

That doctrine of men, OSAS, is a popular tradition in many deceived churches today. But just because it is popular does not mean it is Biblical. The FALSE pre-trib rapture theory that was only first preached in a Christian church in 1830's Great Britain is today a popular doctrine too, but it has not one single Bible Scripture proof written anywhere in God's Word.

Our Heavenly Father allows us to be tested. If we desire to go off on tangents outside of Bible Scripture like man's OSAS or pre-trib rapture theories, He will let us have at it, even though we have believed on His Son Jesus Christ. Only with His 'chosen' elect will He intervene with showing them those errors of men's traditions, and that because His chosen elect actually keep... His Word instead of creating doctrines outside of it. And I must mention, a majority of brethren I have conversed with on man's false pre-trib rapture theory also believe in man's false once saved, always saved tradition.

What you have established is your propensity for fallacious application of hermeneutics and systematic thinking in relation to the word of God.

BTW

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Wow, so God created to to be a sinner?

I'm glad He did not created me to be a sinner!

Claiming God created people to be sinners is the excuse the eternal security crowd uses to keep living in sin





More excuses to keep on living in sin and claiming if one does live in sin they are still saved!

Do you have any idea what a non sequitur is by definition? Apparently not. It's a logical fallacy. You've created nothing more than a straw man argument derived from nothing that I actually said nor implied. The definition of a non sequitur, for those who are not aware:

"a statement (such as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said" (Marriam-Webster Dictionary, 1828)

Your tirade, then, is misguided and non-applicable to what I actually said, Boy.

Please stick to what I actually stated within its context. Ripping it out from the context of my statements in order to try and force it into saying something not at all related, that's intellectual dishonesty. If you want to ASK as to if that's what I meant, THAT is how you remain coherent to the flow of conversation rather than making yourself out to appear as being nothing more than a punk antagonist!

BTW

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

It's a logical fallacy.

The claim that God created ever one to be a sinner is not only a logical fallacy, it's false doctrine that accuses the Lord of being evil

If you want to ASK as to if that's what I meant, THAT is how you remain coherent to the flow of conversation rather than making yourself out to appear as being nothing more than a punk antagonist!

Boy, you original sin people sure are touchy about holding on to your false doctrine!

 

[BeforeThereWas]

The claim that God created ever one to be a sinner is not only a logical fallacy, it's false doctrine that accuses the Lord of being evil

Who claimed such a thing? I have yet to see you quote any such statement from anyone here.

BTW

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Who claimed such a thing? I have yet to see you quote any such statement from anyone here.

Did somebody hack your account, login, and post this?

you, like all the rest of us, were BORN IN SIN