It's a funny thing...

[Riven]

“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.”

(Matthew 7:13-14)

The wide gate and the broad way that leads to destruction has once again been chosen; another has entered through it.

As sad as that is, and as much as my spirit grieves over it, I will not allow it to keep me from the small gate and the narrow path that leads to life.

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Turn back, I urge all who are on the path that leads to destruction, while there remains time to do so.

I'm curious. Where were you before you were born? Did you feel horror? Do you have any memories from that time?

I've seen people die. There's no magical moment where the soul leaves the body. They just die. They return to the state that they existed in before being born. The state of non-existence.

 

[Matthias]

I'm curious. Where were you before you were born?

I was in my mother’s womb.

Did you feel horror?

I don’t know. I‘m unaware of anything that would lead me to think that I ever did.

Do you have any memories from that time?

No.

I've seen people die. There's no magical moment where the soul leaves the body. They just die. They return to the state that they existed in before being born. The state of non-existence.

People exist in the womb before they’re born. There are some awesome videos taken of them in the womb. Coincidentally (?) I was watching a short one earlier this evening.

I agree with your observation but rather than saying “before birth” I would say “before conception”.

It’s so good to hear from you again. I keep an eye out for you daily.

P.S.

It took me a while but I finally found the short (around 5 seconds) video clip I mentioned watching.

Baby Life Begins | Science Proves Life on Instagram: "The baby waving in the womb is the same baby waving after birth. So cute! And so true: Location does not determine personhood."

226 likes, 26 comments - babylifebegins on October 7, 2024: "The baby waving in the womb is the same baby waving after birth. So cute! And so true: Location does not determine personhood.".

www.instagram.com

”Same person just a few weeks apart. Location does not determine personhood.”

 

[Behold]

I've seen people die. There's no magical moment where the soul leaves the body. They just die. They return to the state that they existed in before being born. The state of non-existence.

The Grave is the end of your body, but its the beginning of your eternity.

And i have to disagree with you about people dying..

As when you look in their eyes, as they are departing their body....you will see that their eyes Brighten, as they leave their body, and then their eyes loose this momentary translucence as their spirit is now departed into eternity, having left their earthly container.

 

[Riven]

I agree with your observation but rather than saying “before birth” I would say “before conception”.

That's what I meant. My apologies.

It’s so good to hear from you again. I keep an eye out for you daily.

You as well, Matthias.

The Grave is the end of your body, but its the beginning of your eternity.

But how is this so? What is the process? Why do we not see the soul leaving the body when people die?

And i have to disagree with you about people dying..

As when you look in their eyes, as they are departing their body....you will see that their eyes Brighten, as they leave their body, and then their eyes loose this momentary translucence as their spirit is now departed into eternity, having left their earthing container.

I guess it largely depends on how one dies.

 

[Behold]

I guess it largely depends on how one dies.

Everyone's body dies the exact same way.
= Your breathing stops along with your heart.

Where the important difference is found, is not related to how death comes to your body... but whether eternal life From God, came to your spirit before your body dies, = as that determines where you end up, after you leave your body behind.

 

[Riven]

Everyone's body dies the exact same way.
= Your breathing stops along with your heart.

Where the important difference is found, is not related to how death comes to your body... but whether eternal life From God, came to your spirit before your body dies, = as that determines where you end up, after you leave your body behind.

Why not after you die? What's the difference?

 

[Behold]

Why not after you die? What's the difference?

Because being "born again" is the requirement that Jesus stated that resolves where you eternally end up after your body dies.
And being born again, can only happen while you are in your body, on this earth.
So, after you die, there is no 2nd chance in Hell, to be born again..

 

[Matthias]

There’s nothing redeeming about atheism.

Atheism offers only death. God and the Messiah offer abundant life.

”Why did God put me on the earth if he knew I was going to sin? Why did God put you on the earth if he knew you were going to sin? Because if He wants to have love, He’s got to allow free will. And he knew he could redeem it.”

(Frank Turek)

https://x.com/drfrankturek/status/1939088905006899384?s=46&t=T64e94h2unfHH-VO4i01zA

 

[Matthias]

From my X / Twitter “For you” feed this afternoon:

”Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God.

Neither does Judaism“

(Mike Harris)

https://x.com/xthegoodnews/status/1939189239813677569?s=61

@Riven how do you process the information from this Christian ministry? How do you decide if what is asserted is true or false?

 

[Riven]

From my X / Twitter “For you” feed this afternoon:

”Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God.

Neither does Judaism“

(Mike Harris)

https://x.com/xthegoodnews/status/1939189239813677569?s=61

@Riven how do you process the information from this Christian ministry? How do you decide if what is asserted is true or false?

I don't. How do they even know what they say is true? I suppose I could look at the actions of those that belong to Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, and decide based on that. But even then, it's still all subjective.

 

[Matthias]

I don't.

Why don’t you?

How do they even know what they say is true?

They begin with a specific reference point, which isn’t defined in the statement.

What they said is tricky to navigate. It‘s partially true.

I suppose I could look at the actions of those that belong to Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, and decide based on that. But even then, it's still all subjective.

The actions of them all run the gamut. If that‘s the only criteria we use then they should all be dismissed.

 

[Riven]

Why don’t you?

Because it's just someone's opinion.

What they said is tricky to navigate. It‘s partially true.

Partially?

 

[Matthias]

Because it's just someone's opinion.

It’s an opinion based on and in historical events.

Partially?

That’s what the man said.

 

[Matthias]

Do you know which religion Jesus’ religion is @Risen?

A. Judaism
B. Christianity
C. Islam
D. Other
E. None
F. Don’t know

 

[Riven]

Do you know which religion Jesus’ religion is @Risen?

A. Judaism
B. Christianity
C. Islam
D. Other
E. None
F. Don’t know

E.

 

[Matthias]

E.

“So, what was Jesus’ religion? The simple answer is Judaism. Jesus was a rabbi, a teacher of Judaism.”

What Religion Was Jesus? - Jews for Jesus

Historians agree, Jesus was a first-century teacher of Judaism, a rabbi. But then what kind of Judaism did Jesus teach?

jewsforjesus.org

Bold is theirs.

Does that piece of information help us evaluate the assertion made by the Christianity ministry in post #89?

 

[Riven]

“So, what was Jesus’ religion? The simple answer is Judaism. Jesus was a rabbi, a teacher of Judaism.”

What Religion Was Jesus? - Jews for Jesus

Historians agree, Jesus was a first-century teacher of Judaism, a rabbi. But then what kind of Judaism did Jesus teach?

jewsforjesus.org

Bold is theirs.

Then why does Christianity exist? Because the Jews don't believe he's the messiah?

Does that piece of information help us evaluate the assertion made by the Christianity ministry in post #89?

Yes.

 

[Matthias]

Then why does Christianity exist?

Christianity began as a sect of Judaism.

As the number of gentile members increased - which is what happened as the church took the Messiah’s gospel to the nations of the world -> the great commission implemented - the Jewish theology was gradually replaced.

That is how Christianity separated from Judaism.

Because the Jews don't believe he's the messiah?

The earliest Christians were Jews who believed Jesus is the Messiah. Christianity was a unique unit within Judaism.

Christianity is within Judaism …. (shift) …Christianity is without Judaism.

Sects within Christianity have historically been persecuted by Christianity. The sect founded by Jesus within Judaism was persecuted by Judaism.

The majority of Jews didn’t (and don’t) believe Jesus of Nazareth, himself a Jew, is the Messiah promised by the God of Judaism. A minority of Jews did (and still do.)

Yes.

Let’s do it.

 

[Matthias]

”Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God.

Neither does Judaism“

(Mike Harris)

“The religion of Jesus is Judaism” is our key, our tool, that we can use to evaluate the assertion @Riven.

Let’s start with the first line: “Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God.”

Muslim. Islam has sects but all sects of Islam acknowledge Allah as the God of Islam. Allah isn’t the Triune God. If you have any doubt about that, ask a Muslim. Or read an English translation of the Quran.

Christian. The Christian ministry which produced the assertion we’re evaluating is trinitarian. The Trinity is the God of this Christian ministry. So, when this ministry uses the term “Christian”, the term is limited to those who affirm the doctrine of the Trinity. This is Christianity separated from Judaism.

The God of Islam (Allah) isn’t the God of Christianity (as defined by this particular Christian ministry), the Trinity.

Islam and Christianity agree that it isn’t the same God.

Muslims shaking their heads approvingly. Christians shaking their heads approvingly. Agreement is established. Are you shaking your head approvingly?

The first line of the assertion is found to be true. Does that sound right to you?

 

[Riven]

“The religion of Jesus is Judaism” is our key, our tool, that we can use to evaluate the assertion @Riven.

Let’s start with the first line: “Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God.”

Muslim. Islam has sects but all sects of Islam acknowledge Allah as the God of Islam. Allah isn’t the Triune God. If you have any doubt about that, ask a Muslim. Or read an English translation of the Quran.

Christian. The Christian ministry which produced the assertion we’re evaluating is trinitarian. The Trinity is the God of this Christian ministry. So, when this ministry uses the term “Christian”, the term is limited to those who affirm the doctrine of the Trinity. This is Christianity separated from Judaism.

The God of Islam (Allah) isn’t the God of Christianity (as defined by this particular Christian ministry), the Trinity.

Islam and Christianity agree that it isn’t the same God.

Muslims shaking their heads approvingly. Christians shaking their heads approvingly. Agreement is established. Are you shaking your head approvingly?

The first line of the assertion is found to be true. Does that sound right to you?

No. Because the Muslims I've spoken with seemed certain that they worship the same god as the Christians. Although they believe that Jesus was a prophet.

It even comes from the same region of the world. The desert! Where God seems to prefer to reveal things to mankind. His favorite location, as it were. Which is kind of funny because I have an affinity for deserts myself. I'm not really sure why, but it is so.