I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity

[Hiddenthings]

You're filled with pride and are here to win arguments rather than to share and learn with your brothers and sisters. You need to check your ego.

It's an easy mistake to confuse ego with genuine confidence in the truth. Unfortunately, many in this forum seem to fall into that trap. The theological framework you rely on appears to be a man-made construct, layered over time by generations of human interpretation and additions.

If you return to the original Gospel, you’ll discover the true source of the confidence you currently dismiss.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The Catholic Church shares this doctrine. Are they Christian? It probably depends on who you ask but, in my OPINION, a belief system that necessitates that faith and trust in Jesus alone is insufficient for salvation is NOT a "Christian" theology.

Are you a Roman believer with pagan origins?

 

[NotTheRock]

Are you a Roman believer with pagan origins?

I was raised Catholic but picked up a Bible and left that false system a decade ago. Now I'm non-denominational. How about you?

 

[pandaflower]

This is one reason why. My goodness they are deceived and lost! There is ZERO chance that God's humble and faithful servant would EVER say such a thing. These apparitions are demonic and this is coming from a 50-year Catholic that once thought that the "Lady of Fatima" stuff was great. That was before I picked up a Bible. View attachment 62742

I would say this thread does much to show Catholics they are not respected here.

I won't judge over 1 billion souls on earth.

Keep in mind when stating that about the message the lady gave to children in Fatima.

Paul heard the voice of Jesus. A man he never heard preach in person.
And now, the majority of the New testament is attributed to his Epistles.

John heard Jesus speaking to him his Revelations when John was in exile on Patmos.

 

[pandaflower]

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That copy of the Quran was given Pope John Paul II as a gift.

Letter #8 The Meaning of a Kiss - Inside The Vatican

The Pope and the Koran Greetings from Rome as the Eternal City prepares for Holy Week! (I have just begun to send out “tweets” as I speak to different people in Rome and attend different events. If you would like to follow my “tweets” go to https://twitter.com/RobertMoynihan ) The email I sent...

insidethevatican.com

 

[Hiddenthings]

I would say this thread does much to show Catholics they are not respected here.

I won't judge over 1 billion souls on earth.

Keep in mind when stating that about the message the lady gave to children in Fatima.

Paul heard the voice of Jesus. A man he never heard preach in person.
And now, the majority of the New testament is attributed to his Epistles.

John heard Jesus speaking to him his Revelations when John was in exile on Patmos.

Always keep in mind it's not the person/people, which is abhorred by God, but the system.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I was raised Catholic but picked up a Bible and left that false system a decade ago. Now I'm non-denominational. How about you?

You see, we can find some common ground! I'm a Unitarian now, though I did explore both the Baptist and Jehovah’s Witness traditions at one point. You may not have studied this in depth, but John's epistles strongly caution against open fellowship, if that's what you mean by "non-denominational."

 

[Hiddenthings]

I was raised Catholic but picked up a Bible and left that false system a decade ago. Now I'm non-denominational. How about you?

I have taught a number of ex-Catholics the truth. It's a joy to watch their minds open to the Light of the Original Gospel. Watching God give the increase is so uplifting!

 

[pandaflower]

Always keep in mind it's not the person/people, which is abhorred by God, but the system.

I wasn't referring to God's attitude here.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I wasn't referring to God's attitude here.

I was aligning your comment about respect with the idea that God would likely share that perspective, though perhaps with a degree of rebuke that might go beyond what's typically acceptable in this forum.

 

[NotTheRock]

I would say this thread does much to show Catholics they are not respected here.

I won't judge over 1 billion souls on earth.

I judge no one but I discern that the Catholic Church teaches a gospel that is different from the one that was taught by Paul and the other apostles.

Galatians 1:8-9

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8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

 

[NotTheRock]

You see, we can find some common ground! I'm a Unitarian now, though I did explore both the Baptist and Jehovah’s Witness traditions at one point. You may not have studied this in depth, but John's epistles strongly caution against open fellowship, if that's what you mean by "non-denominational."

One doesn't need to be a theologian to enter God's Kingdom. I enjoy doctrinal discussion but it can be divisive and can cause us to bear bad fruit. I have to constantly remind myself to bear GOOD fruit as our Heavenly Father wants from us.

 

[NotTheRock]

Always keep in mind it's not the person/people, which is abhorred by God, but the system.

My biological father was a hard-core Catholic and a very Godly man. He passed before I began gleaning that Catholicism is a false system. I am certain that he went straight to Heaven. The Catholic Church is filled with many Godly people.

 

[pandaflower]

I was aligning your comment about respect with the idea that God would likely share that perspective, though perhaps with a degree of rebuke that might go beyond what's typically acceptable in this forum.

I respect thought. For my part I won't presume how God would judge.

 

[Hiddenthings]

My biological father was a hard-core Catholic and a very Godly man. He passed before I began gleaning that Catholicism is a false system. I am certain that he went straight to Heaven. The Catholic Church is filled with many Godly people.

Where do you get the idea of Heaven going from?

 

[Hiddenthings]

I respect thought. For my part I won't presume how God would judge.

We are told clearly how the system will be judged. This is no secret!

 

[Hiddenthings]

One doesn't need to be a theologian to enter God's Kingdom.

Agree

I enjoy doctrinal discussion but it can be divisive and can cause us to bear bad fruit.

Agree also

I have to constantly remind myself to bear GOOD fruit as our Heavenly Father wants from us.

This is well pleasing in His sight

 

[Hiddenthings]

I judge no one but I discern that the Catholic Church teaches a gospel that is different from the one that was taught by Paul and the other apostles.

Galatians 1:8-9​

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English Standard Version​

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8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

What if you are holding the wrong Gospel and teaching it ignorantly? Is ignorance a sound excuse?

 

[NotTheRock]

Where do you get the idea of Heaven going from?

I'm sorry. I don't understand your question.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I'm sorry. I don't understand your question.

"Heaven going", is a teaching which was developed by Irenaeus, Origen, and Augustine 2nd - 4th century. It has no basis in the Hope of the Gospel, so I questioned what Scripture do you base this belief on?