PAUL WAS NOT IN THE BELIEVING REMNANT OF ISRAEL

[Doug]

Eph. 2:

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;


1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This says nothing about Paul being in the remnant of Israel
I dont understand why you cited it

 

[Doug]

sorry but the bible is clear, those Jews who have trusted in Jesus since pentecost are part of teh body of Christ! The remnant ended with the last Jewish saint who died before Penstecost.

[Act 4:4 KJV] 4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.

Here are Jews who believed after Pentecost .....they believed Peter's preaching and were placed into the remnant of Israel......they were ALIVE after Pentecost and so were those in the remnant that existed when Paul wrote Romans.................[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How can Paul. A believing person from the tribe of Benjamin not be part of the believing remnant of Israel?

 

[Doug]

How can Paul. A believing person from the tribe of Benjamin not be part of the believing remnant of Israel?

A Jew isnt in the remnant of Israel which is the church of God that Paul persecuted just by being a descendant of Abraham
They had to believe on Jesus
For eternal life Israel had to believe Jesus was Christ, the Son of God they had to believe on his name.....................[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A Jew isnt in the remnant of Israel which is the church of God that Paul persecuted just by being a descendant of Abraham

Actually when the bible talks about a remnant, It is speaking of Israel. It was first used in the OT when a prophet was worried no one was left. God said he kept some

Using remnant in terms of the church is nonsensical..

They had to believe on Jesus

Yes. that is how they are a remnant. Believing people from the nation of Israel.

For eternal life Israel had to believe Jesus was Christ, the Son of God they had to believe on his name.....................[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

yes. Those who do are called the remnant. Those who are not are called those blinded in part (rom 11)

 

[Doug]

Using remnant in terms of the church is nonsensical..

How so?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How so?

Because God is not trying to save the church. It is not in danger

Israel as a nation however is in danger

God made a promise to them, if they cease to exist God can no longer keep his promise.

Satan wins.

that why Israel is the most hated people on earth and why Satan has tried time after time after time to wipe them off the face of the earth. Its basically one of his last hopes

 

[Doug]

Because God is not trying to save the church. It is not in danger

Israel as a nation however is in danger

God made a promise to them, if they cease to exist God can no longer keep his promise.

Satan wins.

that why Israel is the most hated people on earth and why Satan has tried time after time after time to wipe them off the face of the earth. Its basically one of his last hopes

I dont follow you
Are you saying its nonsense to call the believing remnant the church.............Paul says the believing remnant is the church of God..........the remnant is not the body of Christ church, the church today.
There is no remnant of believing Israel today

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I dont follow you
Are you saying its nonsense to call the believing remnant the church.............

no. It is nonsensical to call the remnant anything But Israel

they are part of the church. But it is not why God is keeping them as a remnant

Paul says the believing remnant is the church of God..........

passage please

the remnant is not the body of Christ church, the church today.
There is no remnant of believing Israel today

Paul says otherwise. as God does

 

[Doug]

no. It is nonsensical to call the remnant anything But Israel

Ok good
After I thought about it I was hoping you were saying that

 

[Doug]

passage please

Paul says the believing remnant is the church of God..

Here is the verse................[1Co 15:9 KJV] 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

 

[Doug]

Paul says otherwise. as God does

the remnant is not the body of Christ church, the church today.
There is no remnant of believing Israel today

Where are you saying Paul said there was still a remnant? was it this verse?............[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace...........the present time was when he was writing Romans

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The remnant of Israel and the body of Christ existed together

Well tyou can believe that if you wish, but it is wrong. all Jews since pentecost are both. The believing remnant in the church age and the body of Christ as well. Just like I am an american and Christian at once. We need to end this. You are convinced despite the Scriupture that shows Jews since Pentecost became Christians which is the same as the body of Christ

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

There is no remnant of believing Israel today

You're saying not one Jewish person living today is a born again Christian?

Are you sure you aren't with the Jew haters?

 

[Doug]

Well tyou can believe that if you wish, but it is wrong. all Jews since pentecost are both. The believing remnant in the church age and the body of Christ as well. Just like I am an american and Christian at once. We need to end this. You are convinced despite the Scriupture that shows Jews since Pentecost became Christians which is the same as the body of Christ

[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Paul wrote that there was a remnant at the time he wrote Romans

 

[Ronald Nolette]

[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Paul wrote that there was a remnant at the time he wrote Romans

Yes and they are part of teh body of christ, the church. all saved Jews in the dispensation of grace are part of the body and part of the remnant of Israel.

 

[Muna]

[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Paul wrote that there was a remnant at the time he wrote Romans

Yeah but further back a few hundred years it was written that the seven thousand which is the remnant in Israel in 1Kings 19:18 is of the same remnant in Paul's present also. The LORD says,

1Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

A few hundred years after the fact Paul mentions the same seven thousand a being remnant in Romans 11:4

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Why couldn't it be understood that the same remnant hundreds of years ealier (in Kings) can stand for the same remnant in Paul's time (in his present time also) and even a time following that?

In otherwords, if Paul could pull that seven thousand written about back in Kings and speak of the same as a remnant God has reserved according to that number (them being called a remnant of a much larger number) then why couldn't the same be acknowledged as part of the remnant years after that also? See what I am asking?

 

[Doug]

Yes and they are part of teh body of christ, the church. all saved Jews in the dispensation of grace are part of the body and part of the remnant of Israel.

[Eph 2:14-16 KJV] 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us]; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

The believing Jews are in the body of Christ and both are made one in this dispensation but it wasnt the case before the cross

 

[Ronald Nolette]

[Eph 2:14-16 KJV] 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us]; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

The believing Jews are in the body of Christ and both are made one in this dispensation but it wasnt the case before the cross

Of course not, but we have been talking post cross as the OP{ aabout Paul stated.

 

[Doug]

Of course not, but we have been talking post cross as the OP{ aabout Paul stated.

You would have to develop this thought for me to get what you are getting at