PAUL WAS NOT IN THE BELIEVING REMNANT OF ISRAEL

[Doug]

Eph. 2:

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;


1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This says nothing about Paul being in the remnant of Israel
I dont understand why you cited it

 

[Doug]

sorry but the bible is clear, those Jews who have trusted in Jesus since pentecost are part of teh body of Christ! The remnant ended with the last Jewish saint who died before Penstecost.

[Act 4:4 KJV] 4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.

Here are Jews who believed after Pentecost .....they believed Peter's preaching and were placed into the remnant of Israel......they were ALIVE after Pentecost and so were those in the remnant that existed when Paul wrote Romans.................[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How can Paul. A believing person from the tribe of Benjamin not be part of the believing remnant of Israel?

 

[Doug]

How can Paul. A believing person from the tribe of Benjamin not be part of the believing remnant of Israel?

A Jew isnt in the remnant of Israel which is the church of God that Paul persecuted just by being a descendant of Abraham
They had to believe on Jesus
For eternal life Israel had to believe Jesus was Christ, the Son of God they had to believe on his name.....................[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A Jew isnt in the remnant of Israel which is the church of God that Paul persecuted just by being a descendant of Abraham

Actually when the bible talks about a remnant, It is speaking of Israel. It was first used in the OT when a prophet was worried no one was left. God said he kept some

Using remnant in terms of the church is nonsensical..

They had to believe on Jesus

Yes. that is how they are a remnant. Believing people from the nation of Israel.

For eternal life Israel had to believe Jesus was Christ, the Son of God they had to believe on his name.....................[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

yes. Those who do are called the remnant. Those who are not are called those blinded in part (rom 11)

 

[Doug]

Using remnant in terms of the church is nonsensical..

How so?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How so?

Because God is not trying to save the church. It is not in danger

Israel as a nation however is in danger

God made a promise to them, if they cease to exist God can no longer keep his promise.

Satan wins.

that why Israel is the most hated people on earth and why Satan has tried time after time after time to wipe them off the face of the earth. Its basically one of his last hopes

 

[Doug]

Because God is not trying to save the church. It is not in danger

Israel as a nation however is in danger

God made a promise to them, if they cease to exist God can no longer keep his promise.

Satan wins.

that why Israel is the most hated people on earth and why Satan has tried time after time after time to wipe them off the face of the earth. Its basically one of his last hopes

I dont follow you
Are you saying its nonsense to call the believing remnant the church.............Paul says the believing remnant is the church of God..........the remnant is not the body of Christ church, the church today.
There is no remnant of believing Israel today

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I dont follow you
Are you saying its nonsense to call the believing remnant the church.............

no. It is nonsensical to call the remnant anything But Israel

they are part of the church. But it is not why God is keeping them as a remnant

Paul says the believing remnant is the church of God..........

passage please

the remnant is not the body of Christ church, the church today.
There is no remnant of believing Israel today

Paul says otherwise. as God does

 

[Doug]

no. It is nonsensical to call the remnant anything But Israel

Ok good
After I thought about it I was hoping you were saying that

 

[Doug]

passage please

Paul says the believing remnant is the church of God..

Here is the verse................[1Co 15:9 KJV] 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

 

[Doug]

Paul says otherwise. as God does

the remnant is not the body of Christ church, the church today.
There is no remnant of believing Israel today

Where are you saying Paul said there was still a remnant? was it this verse?............[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace...........the present time was when he was writing Romans