MY GOSPEL

[Doug]

When I quoted from 2 Tim. 3:16 in an earlier post it was with the intention of showing that I believed what it says, and that all Scripture is for us, including the earlier epistles of Paul, but that not all is about us That is why we are exhorted in 2 Timothy 2:15 to rightly divide the word of truth.

Hello
In saying that the book of Romans, for example, isnt about us is saying we dont have to obey all of Paul's doctrine....................[Rom 6:17 KJV] 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

 

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Hello
In saying that the book of Romans, for example, isnt about us is saying we dont have to obey all of Paul's doctrine....................[Rom 6:17 KJV] 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

'But God be thanked,
that ye were the servants of sin,
but ye have obeyed from the heart
that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Being then made free from sin,
ye became the servants of righteousness.'
(Rom 6:17-18)

Hello @Doug,

What doctrine are you thinking of particularly?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Doug]

'But God be thanked,
that ye were the servants of sin,
but ye have obeyed from the heart
that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Being then made free from sin,
ye became the servants of righteousness.'
(Rom 6:17-18)

Hello @Doug,

What doctrine are you thinking of particularly?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hello
I am confused
You are saying, if I am correct, is that the epistles before the prison epistles are foundational for the body of Christ, but the mysteries were only revealed when Paul was imprisoned
We are to obey the doctrines presented by Paul before the prison epistles.......but the mysteries of Christ werent revealed before the prison epistles
Am I wrong?

 

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Hello
I am confused
You are saying, if I am correct, is that the epistles before the prison epistles are foundational for the body of Christ, but the mysteries were only revealed when Paul was imprisoned
We are to obey the doctrines presented by Paul before the prison epistles.......but the mysteries of Christ werent revealed before the prison epistles
Am I wrong?

Hello @Doug,

I am sorry to cause you confusion.

There are two mysteries referred to in Ephesians, 'The Mystery of Christ', made known to all the N.T., Apostles and Prophets, which was also the subject of the O.T. prophets, (being expressed as types and shadows and cloaked in mystery). also of the gospels, and the early epistles of Paul. At what time the Apostles and Prophets were given the revelation concerning' The Mystery of Christ' would have to have been when they were divinely equipped for their ministry.

'The Mystery', was divinely revealed to Paul only, and concerns the Church which is the Body of Christ. Divinely revealed to Paul, and made known by him in the epistles written from Prison, which were unsearchable because not the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, or any other Scripture.

There are other mysteries as you have pointed out, such as that concerning Israel's blindness, which was revealed in Romans, the parables are also spoken of as 'The Mysteries of the Kingdom'. but it is the two spoken of in Ephesians which we are concerned with at the moment.

I hope you will join me in praying the prayer of Ephesians 1:17-23: For this subject is not understood by intellect, but by revelation from above.

Thank you, Doug,
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[Doug]

Hello @Doug,

I am sorry to cause you confusion.

There are two mysteries referred to in Ephesians, 'The Mystery of Christ', made known to all the N.T., Apostles and Prophets, which was also the subject of the O.T. prophets, (being expressed as types and shadows and cloaked in mystery). also of the gospels, and the early epistles of Paul. At what time the Apostles and Prophets were given the revelation concerning' The Mystery of Christ' would have to have been when they were divinely equipped for their ministry.

'The Mystery', was divinely revealed to Paul only, and concerns the Church which is the Body of Christ. Divinely revealed to Paul, and made known by him in the epistles written from Prison, which were unsearchable because not the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, or any other Scripture.

There are other mysteries as you have pointed out, such as that concerning Israel's blindness, which was revealed in Romans, the parables are also spoken of as 'The Mysteries of the Kingdom'. but it is the two spoken of in Ephesians which we are concerned with at the moment.

I hope you will join me in praying the prayer of Ephesians 1:17-23: For this subject is not understood by intellect, but by revelation from above.

Thank you, Doug,
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

Hello
Here is an article on Acts 28 position if you care to read it

Did the Church Begin in Acts 28?

graceambassadors.com

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Hello
Here is an article on Acts 28 position if you care to read it

That website teaches false grace, a different jesus, and a different gospel.

So it's not recommended by any serious student of God's Word

 

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Hello
Here is an article on the Acts 28 position if you care to read it

Hello @Doug,

Thank you for providing the link for me to read. I started to respond by addressing points raised within it, but changed my mind, for it expresses opposition to the Acts 28 position held by those who believe that the Church which is the Body of Christ began in mid-Acts. More than that I do not know either about them or about what they believe. I know what I believe and am persuaded by the evidence of Scripture of it's truth. I frankly see no benefit in arguing on the basis of the opposition of another, I would prefer to simply praise God for what He has allowed me, by His grace, to see and believe.. Only He can change the heart of man, and give enlightenment. I leave all such in God's hands.

* This is an Acts 28 site you may like to explore:- www.believer.com​

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[David in NJ]

Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Paul said the gospel he preached was "my gospel".

The gospel Paul preached was revealed to him by Christ. Galatians 1:12

Christ will stablish, or strengthen, the church according to Paul's gospel. Romans 16:25

Paul's gospel revealed that salvation was to all who believed, apart from Israel and the covenants. Romans 3:22 Romans 3:24 Romans 3:30

Paul's gospel taught that through the cross Christ provided a complete salvation for us. 1 Corinthians 1:18

Paul's gospel taught that Christ died for our sins, as our substitute, for the payment of our debt and penalty for sin. 1 Corinthians 15:3

Paul's gospel revealed that the resurrection of Christ accomplished our justification unto eternal life. Romans 4:25

Paul's gospel and the revelation of the mystery was not found in the scriptures. Romans 16:25

Paul's gospel revealed the mystery of salvation; how God could save sinners. Romans 3:25 Romans 3:26

Paul's gospel revealed a new creature, in which there is neither Jew or Gentile. Galatians 3:28 Galatians 6:15

Paul's gospel revealed the body of Christ. Ephesians 2:16 1 Corinthians 12:27

Paul's gospel revealed our position in the heavenly places. Ephesians 2:6 2 Timothy 4:18

Paul's gospel also preached Christ from the scriptures of the law and prophets. Romans 16:26

Paul was given the dispensation of Grace. Ephesians 3:2

Paul's was given a dispensation of the gospel. 1 Corinthians 9:17

My Gospel is BETTER then your gospel

 

[GRACE ambassador]

That the church is now the body of Christ and revealed a new creature where there is no Jew or Gentile IS NOT found before Paul

Amen! + This Amazing Scripture for the "Mid-Acts ( ALL After Paul Acts 9 )" position:

"And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, Who hath enabled me, for that He counted me faithful,​

putting me into the ministry; who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious:​

but I Obtained Mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And The Grace of our Lord Was ​

Exceeding Abundant with Faith and Love Which is in Christ Jesus.​

​

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to​

save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I Obtained Mercy, that in me first​

Jesus Christ Might Shew Forth All Long-suffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter ​

believe on Him To Life Everlasting." (1 Timothy 2:12-16 AV)​

Acts 28 Excludes all saints "In The Body Of Christ" After Chapter 9, But thanks Be Unto God,
He Does Not, eh?

Amen.

 

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Amen! + This Amazing Scripture for the "Mid-Acts ( ALL After Paul Acts 9 )" position:

"And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, Who hath enabled me, for that He counted me faithful,​

putting me into the ministry; who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious:​

but I Obtained Mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And The Grace of our Lord Was ​

Exceeding Abundant with Faith and Love Which is in Christ Jesus.​

​

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to​

save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I Obtained Mercy, that in me first​

Jesus Christ Might Shew Forth All Long-suffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter ​

believe on Him To Life Everlasting." (1 Timothy 2:12-16 AV)​

Acts 28 Excludes all saints "In The Body Of Christ" After Chapter 9, But thanks Be Unto God,
He Does Not, eh?

Amen.

Hello @GRACE ambassador,

You are wrong in your accusation, and I am surprised and disappointed at your reaction. For the truth revealed in Scripture is not something that should be fought over, but rejoiced in.

The prison epistles were written to believers: to those who already had faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Addressed to the 'saints' and 'faithful' believers who received it, they had been saved prior to Acts 28, so your accusation is unfounded. Some would lay hold on the truth revealed by Paul from his prison cell, many also would not. I have laid hold on it by God's grace.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Our Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[Doug]

That website teaches false grace, a different jesus, and a different gospel.

So it's not recommended by any serious student of God's Word

You have offered nothing to support you allegations

 

[David in NJ]

You have offered nothing to support you allegations

My Gospel is better then your gospel

 

[Doug]

Hello @Doug,

Thank you for providing the link for me to read. I started to respond by addressing points raised within it, but changed my mind, for it expresses opposition to the Acts 28 position held by those who believe that the Church which is the Body of Christ began in mid-Acts. More than that I do not know either about them or about what they believe. I know what I believe and am persuaded by the evidence of Scripture of it's truth. I frankly see no benefit in arguing on the basis of the opposition of another, I would prefer to simply praise God for what He has allowed me, by His grace, to see and believe.. Only He can change the heart of man, and give enlightenment. I leave all such in God's hands.

* This is an Acts 28 site you may like to explore:- www.believer.com​

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

Hey Chris
Thats ok I just wanted to share that article with you

The churches articles of faith dont have any bearing on the Biblically supported refutes of Acts 28 positions presented in the article

We will leave it at that as long as you believe the gospel presented in Romans chapters 3 thru 5 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 which are in epistles before Paul's imprisonment

 

[Doug]

My Gospel is BETTER then your gospel

Hey David
You dont think you should have stated what your gospel is?

 

[Doug]

Amen! + This Amazing Scripture for the "Mid-Acts ( ALL After Paul Acts 9 )" position:

"And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, Who hath enabled me, for that He counted me faithful,​

putting me into the ministry; who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious:​

but I Obtained Mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And The Grace of our Lord Was ​

Exceeding Abundant with Faith and Love Which is in Christ Jesus.​

​

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to​

save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I Obtained Mercy, that in me first​

Jesus Christ Might Shew Forth All Long-suffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter ​

believe on Him To Life Everlasting." (1 Timothy 2:12-16 AV)​

Acts 28 Excludes all saints "In The Body Of Christ" After Chapter 9, But thanks Be Unto God,
He Does Not, eh?

Amen.

Yes well said

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You have offered nothing to support you allegations

That's a moot point since those following the teachings of that website are blind and reprobate

 

[Doug]

That's a moot point since those following the teachings of that website are blind and reprobate

Do you follow ALL the Word of God?

 

[David in NJ]

Hey David
You dont think you should have stated what your gospel is?

Gospel of John
Gospel of Matthew
Gospel of Mark
Gospel of Luke
Acts

 

[Doug]

Gospel of John
Gospel of Matthew
Gospel of Mark
Gospel of Luke
Acts

I see no gospel of Paul
The gospels found in the four gospels are for Israel and are the gospel of the kingdom and believing on the name of Jesus. not the cross as Paul preaches our gospel

 

[David in NJ]

I see no gospel of Paul
The gospels found in the four gospels are for Israel and are the gospel of the kingdom and believing on the name of Jesus. not the cross as Paul preaches our gospel

SAME Gospel Paul preaches