In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

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Salvation is commensurate with the teachings against sinning after.

Salvation is what Jesus said it is. A free irrevocable gift by God's grace. Not of ourselves,so that we cannot boast we chose to be saved.

Those who are in Christ do not make a habit of sinning.As Jesus tells us.Therefore, those who claim to be Christian and yet sin with wild abandon are not Christian. He does not know them.

Apparently, an ages old agenda against the true gospel is still active.

Thinking eternal security in Christ permits us to sin is obviously not true. Nothing in the Bible could ever lead anyone to imagine otherwise.

I think the actual goal behind the false claim we can sin with abandon when eternally secure in Christ is just another tool of the adversary and his disciples. Anything to mock God goes.
 
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Salvation is what Jesus said it is

Jesus also said this thru the Apostle Peter which the OSAS adherents must claim to be a lie in order to protect their heresy:

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Jesus also said this thru the Apostle Paul which the OSAS adherents must claim to be a lie in order to protect their heresy:

Romans 11:21,22
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

The fact of the matter is
Jesus is like Noah's Ark... as long as one is abiding IN the Ark they are saved.

Sinful behavior is throwing one's self overboard and since they are no longer in the safety of the Ark (abiding IN Christ)... they are not longer on their way to Heaven but are once again on their way to hell.... unless they REPENT, confessing their sin to the Lord and forsaking their sin so they can be cleansed of unrighteousness and once again be back in right standing with the Father (see Proverbs 28:13, 1 John 1:9) just like the prodigal son who was dead while away but alive once again when he returned to the Father. (see Luke 15:24-26)

The smart ones know this and abide IN Christ so they aren't cut off as Jesus told us about in John 15 which is what happens to those that do not abide IN Him.

Those that follow false doctrines that ignore the teachings of Jesus... well, not much hope for them and when they get where they are going, they will regret their false doctrine for all eternity!

Those following OSAS teachings must claim some things in God's Word are lies in order to hold their position.
 

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Salvation is commensurate with the teachings against sinning after.

Salvation is what Jesus said it is. A free irrevocable gift by God's grace. Not if ourselves,so that we cannot boast we chose to be saved.

Those who are in Christ do not make a habit of sinning.As Jesus tells us.Therefore, those who claim to be Christian and yet sin with wild abandon are not Christian. He does not know them.

Apparently, an ages old agenda against the true gospel is still active.

Thinking eternal security in Christ permits us to sin is obviously not true. Nothing in the Bible could ever lead anyone to imagine otherwise.

I think the actual goal behind the false claim we can sin with abandon when eternally secure in Christ is just another tool of the adversary and his disciples. Anything to mock God goes.

LOL You are right.
Some believe OSAS because if you continue to sin......you were not saved to begin with.
OSAS....Universalism.....Modern Gnostics......Calvinism......Jehovah's Witnesses......take some drugs and read the Bible, no telling what you will believe in.
 
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You can assume whatever you want of me for rehighlighting the Lord own words as I assuredly did.

You have a problem with me doing that, and the questions you have concerning Jesus words are yours before the Lord, something struck you, and it certainly wasn't me. Its also a little strange to keep accusing me of hiding each time I answer you.
silence is deadly

You posted a passage

I asked you a smip[le question about that passage.

and you have gone off the hills trying to determine why I asked something

in the mean time ignoring the simple questions I have asked.

again, You have not denied this is what you believe. so I must be correct in my original assertion of why you posted that passage in the first place.

thank you for showing my my assumptions were correct.

Good day
 
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Salvation is commensurate with the teachings against sinning after.

Salvation is what Jesus said it is. A free irrevocable gift by God's grace. Not if ourselves,so that we cannot boast we chose to be saved.

Those who are in Christ do not make a habit of sinning.As Jesus tells us.Therefore, those who claim to be Christian and yet sin with wild abandon are not Christian. He does not know them.

Apparently, an ages old agenda against the true gospel is still active.

Thinking eternal security in Christ permits us to sin is obviously not true. Nothing in the Bible could ever lead anyone to imagine otherwise.

I think the actual goal behind the false claim we can sin with abandon when eternally secure in Christ is just another tool of the adversary and his disciples. Anything to mock God goes.
The apostle John says those born of God can not make a habit of sinning.

so these people who say we can just prove a point

they not only do not have faith God can change a person

They think that God must not be all that. because he would allow his child to walk in habitual sin without intervening as a good parent would
 

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Jesus also said this thru the Apostle Peter which the OSAS adherents must claim to be a lie in order to protect their heresy:

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Jesus also said this thru the Apostle Paul which the OSAS adherents must claim to be a lie in order to protect their heresy:

Romans 11:21,22
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

The fact of the matter is
Jesus is like Noah's Ark... as long as one is abiding IN the Ark they are saved.

Sinful behavior is throwing one's self overboard and since they are no longer in the safety of the Ark (abiding IN Christ)... they are not longer on their way to Heaven but are once again on their way to hell.... unless they REPENT, confessing their sin to the Lord and forsaking their sin so they can be cleansed of unrighteousness and once again be back in right standing with the Father (see Proverbs 28:13, 1 John 1:9) just like the prodigal son who was dead while away but alive once again when he returned to the Father. (see Luke 15:24-26)

The smart ones know this and abide IN Christ so they aren't cut off as Jesus told us about in John 15 which is what happens to those that do not abide IN Him.

Those that follow false doctrines that ignore the teachings of Jesus... well, not much hope for them and when they get where they are going, they will regret their false doctrine for all eternity!

Those following OSAS teachings must claim some things in God's Word are lies in order to hold their position.
Your stuck in self righteousness

You deny the power of God into salvation

You deny the power of God to change people

You deny the power of God to keep his promise. which was an unconditional promise.
 
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LOL You are right.
Some believe OSAS because if you continue to sin......you were not saved to begin with.
well this is what the apostle John says

he who sins (habitually) have never seen or known God.

so its a bad thing we agree with the bible??
OSAS....Universalism.....Modern Gnostics......Calvinism......Jehovah's Witnesses......take some drugs and read the Bible, no telling what you will believe in.
lol. We know what you believe in.. That you can save yourself. Good luck with that
 

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The apostle John says those born of God can not make a habit of sinning.

so these people who say we can just prove a point

they not only do not have faith God can change a person

They think that God must not be all that. because he would allow his child to walk in habitual sin without intervening as a good parent would
They don't know the gospel. They don't read and study and think on what God says .

The OSAS opposers have apparently been very thorough in the anti-Gospel campaign these many centuries.

I think that's because they counted on people taking their word for it. Rather than reading God's words.

It's ridiculous to think because we're saved from sin for eternity that gives us a license to sin.
 

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They don't know the gospel. They don't read and study and think on what God says .

The OSAS opposers have apparently been very thorough in the anti-Gospel campaign these many centuries.

I think that's because they counted on people taking their word for it. Rather than reading God's words.

It's ridiculous to think because we're saved from sin for eternity that gives us a license to sin.
remember legalism started with Cain.. Look at me God..

its satans oldest and greatest lie to get people to look at self and not God. actually it started with his lie to eve, that God was holding back and can not be trusted
 
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silence is deadly

The loudness on your part is far more telling.
You posted a passage

Someone else actually posted the passage, I simply rehighlighted that passage to bring into focus a part of the passage that often goes under-highlighted
I asked you a smip[le question about that passage.

And I noticed you never bothered to ask the poster of that passage, but only me (after I rehighlighted it).


and you have gone off the hills trying to determine why I asked something

I am not going off the hills, your assumption is not correct here, I very much expected someone to come after me for doing just that, you just happen to be the one to do so. And for posting nothing but rehighilighting what "another" poster posted. So thats what I did, and just left off of it. You certainly didn't disappoint. You come forth over the highlights tagging me over it while pretending to have honest questions for me over the passage in an attempt to argue for doctrines of men. Ask your own self why Jesus words rehilighted has gotten so under your skin you have been chasing me down to challenge me on it ever since.

in the mean time ignoring the simple questions I have asked.
Surely you are sincere. You will need to take your simple questions to Jesus and argue with him about the doer part of that verse. Why not ask the original poster of that verse your sincere questions. We both know why, its because I rehighlighted the "being a doer" part in relationship to being founded on the rock.

No questions come to you when it was left unhilighted, so its obvious that is what is triggering you.

Edit: typos
 
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again, You have not denied this is what you believe. so I must be correct in my original assertion of why you posted that passage in the first place.

thank you for showing my my assumptions were correct.

Good day

You keep saying this, but if you see Post# 66 by Rockerduck, he actually posted the verse and then see post# 84 (Mine) which quotes his post.

So, I am not the one who posted the passage "in the first place" (as you assert). I am the one who triggered you when I rehilighted that verse in Rockerduck's post because it totally went under your radar before that time.
 

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so you know every sin you ever commited?

so God changed them, because they were actually saved?
No. but now one is on The Path.

And No, because they abided.

One will not be kicked out of even the Kingdom of God, for a Sin you know.
Like one moron I know, claims that one will ! how childish ! as if under The Law ? But one under Grace would know better than to swallow that.

God never changed any one, People who seen the Light, turned and abided in Christ Jesus. Just as Saul became Paul because he was not that man anymore. but Born again.
 

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No. but now one is on The Path.

And No, because they abided.

One will not be kicked out of even the Kingdom of God, for a Sin you know.
Like one moron I know, claims that one will ! how childish ! as if under The Law ? But one under Grace would know better than to swallow that.

God never changed any one, People who seen the Light, turned and abided in Christ Jesus. Just as Saul became Paul because he was not that man anymore. but Born again.
God never changed anyone?

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Who is doing the sanctifying?

sorry, I am a little confused by what you said, need clarification
 

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Rather than reading God's words.

God's Word does not support OSAS unless one twists scripture and ignores God's warnings.



OSAS....Universalism.....Modern Gnostics......Calvinism......Jehovah's Witnesses......take some drugs and read the Bible, no telling what you will believe in.

Wow, someone would have to be on a lot of drugs to believe in all that junk
 

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If forsaking our sins means sinless perfection, then 1 John 1:8-10 is superfluous. Proverbs 28:13 is an exhortation for believers to confess and forsake their sins, acknowledging their need for God's grace and mercy in their struggle against sin, rather than promoting the idea they can and must achieve sinless perfection in this life.

Notice that - "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9) is in contrast to - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)

Certain folks seem to misunderstand verse 9 to mean that we "must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory of every sin) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin, we are toast!" Who could actually write an exhaustive list of every sin they have ever committed or ever will commit? Sin is not only missing the mark by what we do but also what we fail to do. (James 4:17)

Believers "confess" (Greek - homologeó) speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness in contrast with saying that we have no sin or that we have not sinned. (1 John 1:8-10)

In regard to Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a ongoing, willful, habitual action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9). *Hermeneutics.

If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation as eternal IN-securists teach, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) So, in Hebrews 10:10, we clearly read ..WE have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. In Hebrews 10:14, we read - For by one offering He has perfected for all time THOSE who are sanctified. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be in contradiction here.

*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation.

Strong's Concordance
hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Original Word: ἁγιάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hagiazó
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-ad'-zo)
Definition: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.

*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to make believers/nominal Christians, not saved people: But WE are not of those who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

So after considering the CONTEXT, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as a professing believer in the Hebrew community of believers, but later renounces his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and trampling under foot the work and the person of Christ himself. This gives evidence that his identification with the Hebrew community of believers was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.

Isn't it amazing how easily tiny little verses like this one, which says so very much, always remains in the dark corners of people's understanding and knowledge. This is revolutionary, and yet people only want to dwell on the intentional sins while ignoring how prolific the unintentional sins we commit remain in the shadows of our awareness:

Romans 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

The legalists will rip this to pieces with their vain reasonings while the hyper-spiritualists will do the same, but with the weaponry from the opposite end of the spectrum.

BTW
 
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The only so-called "salvation" we can, by our own efforts and strength, nullify, is that which we bestow upon ourselves...which is no salvation at all.

The salvation the Lord bestows by grace through faith, is not earned by the efforts of our own strength, nor is it retained by the efforts of our own strength.

If that elicits some strange ideas in the minds of some that the belief in OSAS is therefore license to sin, that is the doctrine of devils who just love calling into question the word of God just as did the Serpent in the garden, "Now the serpent was more subtile than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? [Genesis 3:1]

Questioning God's word, pitting God's word against itself on the basis of warped hermeneutics, it's just plain self-defeating.

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This is your response to Jesus words?

It's his response to YOUR use of Jesus' words. Jesus was speaking to Israel in relation to the Law, not some new system of morality. He taught them to remain loyal and obedient to the Mosaic Law. That is not FOR us today. Abusing His words by transitioning them across time and dispensations to us today in every respect, that's just disingenuous.

BTW
 
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It's his response to YOUR use of Jesus' words. Jesus was speaking to Israel in relation to the Law, not some new system of morality. He taught them to remain loyal and obedient to the Mosaic Law. That is not FOR us today. Abusing His words by transitioning them across time and dispensations to us today in every respect, that's just disingenuous.

BTW

What are you even talking about?

Show me "my use" of Jesus words, post them.
 

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The doctrine of Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS) is one of the most misunderstood and misrepresented teachings in the Christian faith. Critics often claim that it encourages sin, ignores repentance, or contradicts church tradition. Some even call it "Gnostic" or "cheap grace."

But OSAS is not a modern invention, nor is it a license to sin. It is a profound expression of the depth of God’s grace, the security of Christ’s finished work, and the freedom of the believer in the New Covenant.

Let’s take a closer look.


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1. The Biblical Foundation for Eternal Security

The clearest testimony comes from Christ Himself:

> “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.”
— John 10:28



Notice the words: eternal, never, no one. Not even you can snatch yourself from His hand. That’s security, not presumption.

> “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes Him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”
— John 5:24



He has eternal life. Not "might have." Not "as long as he behaves." The transfer from death to life is permanent.

> “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God—not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
— Ephesians 2:8–9



If salvation is not from works, how could it be lost by works?


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2. Is Grace Conditional? Then It’s Not Grace.

If our salvation depends on maintaining obedience, then the Gospel becomes a contract, not a gift.
You’d be back under law: perform or perish.

That’s not Good News.

The Apostle Paul was clear:

> “Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?”
— Galatians 3:3



You didn’t earn it. You can’t keep it by effort. The same God who saved you is the one who keeps you.


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3. But What About Apostasy?

What about those who “fall away”? Scripture gives two answers:

1. They were never truly born again



> “They went out from us, but they were not of us…” (1 John 2:19)
Outward faith can mimic real regeneration. Only God sees the heart.



2. God disciplines His children, not disowns them



> “The Lord disciplines those he loves…” (Hebrews 12:6)
Falling into sin invites correction, not rejection.




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4. OSAS Is Not an Excuse to Sin

True believers don’t want to abuse grace. Why?

> “No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him.”
— 1 John 3:9



A new heart means new desires.
A Christian may stumble, but he no longer walks in the same direction.


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5. Historical and Theological Witnesses

Luther: Salvation by grace alone, through faith alone.

Calvin: The elect will persevere because God preserves them.

The Catholic Church, even with its emphasis on mortal sin, still teaches that God’s mercy is greater than human failure.


The early Church saw salvation as a secure covenant, not a fragile agreement.


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6. Without OSAS, God Becomes a Tyrant

Let’s be honest: If God saves you, but lets go of you the moment you mess up, that’s not a loving Father—that’s a judge with a short fuse.

If salvation can be lost, we live in fear, not faith.

> “There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear…”
— 1 John 4:18



OSAS doesn’t make God weak. It shows He is strong enough to carry us, even when we fall.


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7. The Cross Is Enough

Jesus doesn’t need to die again every time you sin. He died once for all.

> “For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.”
— Hebrews 10:14



Your justification is not in progress. It is finished.


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Conclusion

Without OSAS, the Gospel becomes fear-based religion.
With OSAS, it becomes what it was always meant to be: Good News.

God is not calling you to walk a tightrope. He is calling you to trust in a finished work.

Once saved, always saved – not because we hold on to God, but because He holds on to us.

> “If we are faithless, He remains faithful – for He cannot deny Himself.”
— 2 Timothy 2:13
What the lose your salvation crowd due to sin doesn't realize is that through their misguided belief, they are saying that Jesus did not die for all their sins and the blood of Jesus is not enough to save a soul.
 

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What are you even talking about?

Show me "my use" of Jesus words, post them.

I believe I spoke plainly enough. You know what you said about what you think Jesus said, so why requote it from upward in this page? Just wondering.

Many people lay claim to what they think Jesus said, but when I read their reference, and it doesn't align with the context, I have to simply assume they're talking about their own opinion, and nothing more...

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