Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Marymog]

This is so disengenous, I have zero interest in your comments.

Much love!

Quote From YOU: Works will never save you. That's why faith is required.

I agreed with you. Works will never save us, and faith is required to save us. Soooooo how was I disingenuous?

You crack me up.......

 

[BreadOfLife]

Ephesians 2:8-10​

King James Version​

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are saved by grace through faith- without any works.

Eph. 2:9-10 tells us that works ALONE are not efficacious.

However, it explains that works ARE an essential element of the faith that
God gives us:

Eph. 2:8-10 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

“Believing” is NOT faith (James 2:19). It’s not Faith + Works. Works are part of what faith IS.
God GIVES us the ability to Believe in Him, Trust in Him and DO His will.

THIS is Faith . . .

 

[Marymog]

We are saved by grace through faith- without any works.

Not completely true Ronald. You should read all of Scripture instead of the cherry picked passages that fit what your men have taught you: James 2:14-26 (faith without works is dead)
Acts 2: 38/Mark 16:16 (repent and be baptized and you will be saved)
1 Peter 3:21 (baptism now saves you)
Mathew 25 (if you don't do good deeds he will send you to eternal fire)
Romans 10:9 (profess with your mouth and you will be saved)
John 5 (those who have done good go the resurrection of life)

I could go on and on and on but you and @Eternally Grateful and @marks and @pandaflower have been thoroughly schooled in biblical truths on this matter. You have rejected this Truth. There are MANY things you must do to be saved and like Scripture says, WORKS is one of those things.

Keeping it real with the truth......Bible Study Mary! Much love!

 

[marks]

I agreed with you. Works will never save us, and faith is required to save us. Soooooo how was I disingenuous?

MARKS, we agree. Works alone does not save you.

A little difference here. Why do you bother me with your posts just to play word games? That's what is silly. And I'm not interested


Romans 5:19 KJV
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

It's what Jesus did.

Much love!

 

[Marymog]

But make no mistake or pretence. Your faith is not what changes you. God's regeneration of your dead spirit is what changes you. After you are regenerated, your works show that is true. That's reality.

Much love!

Lol Marks, you crack me up.....THAT is the mistake you are making. Your faith DOES change you. If you don't have the faith YOU WON'T CHANGE. Ask anyone who went from NO FAITH to FAITH. THEY CHANGED!!!!!!

That's reality..........Much love! Mary

 

[marks]

Your faith DOES change you.

Right. You think you have the power to regenerate yourself? Think more carefully.

Much love!

 

[Marymog]

A little difference here.

Our works don't have a part in our salvation.


Romans 5:19 KJV
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

It's what Jesus did.

Much love!

Dear dear Marks,

That passage has nothing to do with works, which is what we are talking about! I have given you multiple passages that destroy what you believe or what your Protestant men have taught you (of which you have never addressed). You ignore the passages that destroy what your men have taught you and you follow your men blindly. I don't care. It shows how dishonest you are! Truly sad!

Jesus said that Peter was Satan. Please ignore the passages that say otherwise and then prove me wrong. You can't. That....in a nutshell......is how you read Scripture, with one blind eye (also called cherry picking), which supports my accusation of you being dishonest!! I apologize......your men are being dishonest in what they have taught you. It's not your fault.........

Keeping it real with the facts.........Mary

 

[Marymog]

Right. You think you have the power to regenerate yourself? Think more carefully.

Much love!

YES, I do have the power to regenerate myself IF I have faith. If I don't have faith I will never be regenerated. All the power, and the decision, is in my hands.

You should think things out more carefully before you repeat what your men have taught you..........

 

[BreadOfLife]

Right. You think you have the power to regenerate yourself? Think more carefully.

Much love!

I don't mean to butt in - bur the grace of faith requires our cooperation with that grace.
We must respond to God's grace in order for it take effect on us.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That doesnt say "faith alone" does it? Im going to try with you since its clear EG is struggling. Do you understand what the word sufficient means? Just Yes or No. Can you do that?


Next you say "We are saved by grace through faith- without any works."

This is absolutely beautiful. Now unlike you who tells me what what you think Paul meant, I am going to show you what James says, not what I say and not what I think James says but what James actually says

James2: 24: You can see, then, that a man is justified by works AND (my emphasis) not by faith alone.

Notice the AND. That coincides with what James, not me, says in V22 Thus, you can see that his faith and his works were active together; his faith was brought to completion by works.

Now this is where it gets crazy "...faith is brought to completion by works". Now riddle me this Batman, if faith is all thats needed for salvation then why would it need "completion"? Answer the questions. Dont drone on about Paul stay focused.

sufficient- yes.
Paul meant exactly what he said. We are saved by grace through faith and not of any works.

Next- saved is sozo. justified is daikaio different words with diffe3rent meanings

Salvation is by grace through faith- works prove or show our justification.

The reason works happen is because they are the result of salvation by grace through faith. I fear you have a very distorted and not so biblical view of what salvation entails.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Not completely true Ronald. You should read all of Scripture instead of the cherry picked passages that fit what your men have taught you: James 2:14-26 (faith without works is dead)
Acts 2: 38/Mark 16:16 (repent and be baptized and you will be saved)
1 Peter 3:21 (baptism now saves you)
Mathew 25 (if you don't do good deeds he will send you to eternal fire)
Romans 10:9 (profess with your mouth and you will be saved)
John 5 (those who have done good go the resurrection of life)

I could go on and on and on but you and @Eternally Grateful and @marks and @pandaflower have been thoroughly schooled in biblical truths on this matter. You have rejected this Truth. There are MANY things you must do to be saved and like Scripture says, WORKS is one of those things.

Keeping it real with the truth......Bible Study Mary! Much love!

YOu accuse me of cherry picking, but yet you do the same with the teachings men taught you!

I am sorry you believe that Jesus did not die for all your sins. But God Word said He paid for all my sins and when I trusted in His death and resurrection alone for my sin debt, I became His righteousness and He took all my sin and laid it on His account.

sin does not send anyone to hell. Rejecting Jesus does!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Eph. 2:9-10 tells us that works ALONE are not efficacious.

However, it explains that works ARE an essential element of the faith that
God gives us:

Eph. 2:8-10 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

“Believing” is NOT faith (James 2:19). It’s not Faith + Works. Works are part of what faith IS.
God GIVES us the ability to Believe in Him, Trust in Him and DO His will.

THIS is Faith . . .

You speak well! For biblical faith is not merely giving assent to a set of facts. biblical faith causes a total transformation of a person and makes them an eternal citizen of heaven. this transformation causes us to do the deeds acceptable to God.

As written in Isaiah, good works apart from first trusting in Jesus are mere filthy rags to god.

 

[ProDeo]

We are sealed by the holy spirit.

Yes [!]

There is no conditions attached.

What ???

Work if you feel led to feel insecure in Christ.

I don't feel insecure in Christ at all, why do you say such things?

Fear every word you utter,every step you take,every thing you do,that it will erase your grace in God's salvation.

Nope....

1Joh 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
1Joh 4:17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.
1Joh 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
1Joh 4:19 We love because he first loved us.

Clear enough for you?

So stop to figure out my mind and make unjustified hidden personal remarks.

Live that way as evidence your flesh and ego consumes itself with thoughts the perishable must labor to sttain the imperishable.

Oh well, now it's my ego also, you are quite some judgemental person, aren't you?

Live that news you manufacture on your image and likeness.

However,don't think you will find converts to your way of thinking here.

We follow Christ.

And you think I don't ?

Please elaborate.

No matter how hard you work to obscure in your mind his truth, you fail.

You live with it.

Obscure my mind, well let's see now that we had the insults, accusations and judgements part :

I will using the same Scripture I posted to @Eternally Grateful which he completely ignored and just repeated what he believed, I hope you won't.

There is no conditions attached.

Well, let's see.

Efez 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Efez 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Efez 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

v8 - We are saved because Jesus sacrifice, the grace. Without Jesus sacrifice we are lost.
v9 - Therefore no one can boast on works. Without Jesus none is saved. Not even if your name is mother Theresa.
v10 - Now that we are saved [emphasis added] we are supposed to walk the walk for good works which God prepared beforehand.

Thus conditions.

Note v9 speaks of works and v10 also, please note the obliged hierarchy, without Jesus sacrifice nobody is saved.

SAME PAUL
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,
Gal 5:21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Loads of conditions.

That does not sound as OSAS.

Continuation....

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

v24 - the main condition.

Shalom.

 

[ProDeo]

You have paul and james contradicting each other

They don't.

 

[pandaflower]

Yes [!]



What ???



I don't feel insecure in Christ at all, why do you say such things?



Nope....

1Joh 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
1Joh 4:17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.
1Joh 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
1Joh 4:19 We love because he first loved us.

Clear enough for you?

So stop to figure out my mind and make unjustified hidden personal remarks.



Oh well, now it's my ego also, you are quite some judgemental person, aren't you?



And you think I don't ?

Please elaborate.



Obscure my mind, well let's see now that we had the insults, accusations and judgements part :

I will using the same Scripture I posted to @Eternally Grateful which he completely ignored and just repeated what he believed, I hope you won't.



Well, let's see.

Efez 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Efez 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Efez 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

v8 - We are saved because Jesus sacrifice, the grace. Without Jesus sacrifice we are lost.
v9 - Therefore no one can boast on works. Without Jesus none is saved. Not even if your name is mother Theresa.
v10 - Now that we are saved [emphasis added] we are supposed to walk the walk for good works which God prepared beforehand.

Thus conditions.

Note v9 speaks of works and v10 also, please note the obliged hierarchy, without Jesus sacrifice nobody is saved.

SAME PAUL
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,
Gal 5:21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Loads of conditions.

That does not sound as OSAS.

Continuation....

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

v24 - the main condition.

Shalom.

Shalom?

You exit my post so to reply to what I did not say. And then you bid me, Shalom?

Sad.
No time for games .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes [!]



What ???

Ephesians 1:13-14​

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

when where we sealed by the spirit. what did we do?

I don't feel insecure in Christ at all, why do you say such things?

Because I do not know how you can not. If you can lose salvation based on self.. then you can never be secure. how could you?

Nope....

1Joh 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
1Joh 4:17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.
1Joh 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
1Joh 4:19 We love because he first loved us.

Clear enough for you?

Yeah

We have eternal security. We can have confidence on the day of Judgment because it is in Christ. Not self. If you were perfected in love, you would never under any circumstance claim any could lose salvation

so since you claim we can lose salvation.. Well i would not say you are perfected in love

I will using the same Scripture I posted to @Eternally Grateful which he completely ignored and just repeated what he believed, I hope you won't.

John 1: 11: 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED USthrough the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN


please show us how we must earn our salvation or what work we have to perform?

if your going to use my name. at least be honest..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They don't.

Using your interpretation, they most certainly do

Can you show me how they do not?

Paul said grace through faith, no works

Paul said if it is of grace it is not of works

Paul said if we try by works, we have a debt,, Again again, not of works lest we should boast

James said works

these two appose each other using your interpretation James is saying we are saved by works..

 

[ProDeo]

Shalom?

You exit my post so to reply to what I did not say. And then you bid me, Shalom?

Sad.
No time for games .

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions,
Gal 5:21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Spoken to believers.

This is no game.

 

[ProDeo]

Using your interpretation, they most certainly do

Can you show me how they do not?

Efeze 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
James 2:17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Equal, no contradiction.

 

[ProDeo]

Ephesians 1:13-14​

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

when where we sealed by the spirit. what did we do?


Because I do not know how you can not. If you can lose salvation based on self.. then you can never be secure. how could you?

Yeah

We have eternal security. We can have confidence on the day of Judgment because it is in Christ. Not self. If you were perfected in love, you would never under any circumstance claim any could lose salvation

so since you claim we can lose salvation.. Well i would not say you are perfected in love

John 1: 11: 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED USthrough the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN


please show us how we must earn our salvation or what work we have to perform?

if your going to use my name. at least be honest..

Dear brother, I know all the OSAS passages and reasoning as I once was OSAS, the problem is the many passages that speak against it.

Here is another one :

Hebr 12:14 Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

How serious do you take holiness ?

And I don't mean the false teaching of perfect holiness or sinless perfection or whatever it is called.