The extortion gospel - "believe or burn" - not really a choice

[St. SteVen]

Why did he ask, "who do the people say that I am?"...and what was the answer?

How does that help in a gospel presentation?

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[soberxp]

I think we are dependent on the machines, not the other way around.
Computers run programs, they have no needs to be met.
I know there has been some fear around these things.
What would the machines gain if they took control?

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Genesis
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

This picture is a drawing by Ai based on the original description of the Bible, which I think is quite appropriate and closer to the real feeling than I imagined, The image of a man can be seen in the middle of the picture, and there are some scenes like the parting of the Red Sea.



These two pictures are my question to asking the Ai what state it is.




This is the kind of picture where I ask if Ai have life, and it answers lies and life.
It's like our current state of life has something to do with lies.





This picture is，I asked him what state was I .
Ai actually uses a lot of clay blocks to express, as if I was just clay in the hands of God.



Ai probably knows a lot of things，I don't think this is an Ai program with the Bible in the database.
I use an Ai program that specializes in painting, describes what you want to paint, and then the Ai creates based on that description.

What I directly described was my question, and it actually answered the content correctly, in the way of painting.

I don't think that's a coincidence.

 

[Hiddenthings]

How does that help in a gospel presentation?

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Maybe you have missed the point.

And they told him, 'John the Baptist; and others say, Elijah; and others, one of the prophets.' And he asked them, 'But who do you say that I am?' Peter answered Him, 'You are the Christ.'"

 

[XtraPercept]

AI and what it has been used to generate gives me the heebie-jeebies. Never before have I so deeply felt the experience of uncanny. What is artificial, synthetic, and imitative is always inferior to the source as it pertains to organic matters. Synthetic oil is vastly superior but that's beside the point.

AI is a scary knock-off of consciousness. It is all the pattern recognition and generative capabilities of skilled individuals without any single soul attached. It creates nothing, it only amalgamates, and the contents of the source material are exclusively worldly. In the right hands it has tremendous utility. But in the hands it presently is, it is not an idle threat.

Of course the Seal of the Spirit has vanquished all my fear, but for a while there my knees were shaking. I interacted with AI only in writing on two or three occasions, some free one that didn't require account registration. I was not impressed. It could only talk in circles. But to the blind, the machine logic can sound compelling for lack of appropriate perspective in the listeners.

Permitting a machine to make any form of decision is no great leap from our largely faceless leadership today. It's just that the puppet machine can convince people far more aggressively than thinly veiled government oppression. It's not the machine that would write a new bible, the machine is only to employ fancy artificial logic to make it sound like truth.

But no pattern machine will ever approach the masterful command of the word that comes only from the Holy Spirit.

 

[XtraPercept]

Music samples

Fresh Giblets would have rocked my teenage socks off. My auditory inclinations have not so much changed as been greatly reduced over the years. I prefer a quiet road trip and my headphones rarely emit music.

The craziest thing, though. The opening drum bit to She's 23 Today sounded almost exactly like one of my personal favorites I had made in my youth. The message of this song, I wonder if it could reach a young feminist who would listen for the tune. It speaks of value and meaning lost to those in the worldly pursuits dangled before young people today.

 

[bdavidc]

But my Master is the innocent One who took the punishment for sin upon Himself as He hung from a cross. My Master is the One who was dead for three days and yet now lives forever. And my Master is perfectly just; He does not torture because His wrath is complete and fair.

Your master masquerades as mine to plant these abominable lies as he has done from the lying mouths of the bribed roman guards who failed to keep watch over the tomb of the Christ, even from the very first lie that there was ever something better than my Master and His laws and precepts.

My God is the true God and you malign His character.

You talk about your “Master.” I’d like to ask you a question. Is your master the Jesus of the Bible? Or have you created your own? Well anyone can see you have created your own. The Jesus of the Bible talked a lot about hell. Hell as a place of eternal, conscious torment. (Luke 16: 23–24, Mark 9:43–48, Matthew 25:46) He commanded people to fear the God who could cast them into hell, to burn both their body and their soul (Matthew 10:28). This is not a metaphor. This is not “complete and fair,” like you claim it must be. It is wrath, and it is eternal for those who refuse Him.

You charge me with mischaracterizing God. You are the one warping His Word to cover up a false god you have constructed. A god that you are more comfortable with. But you do not get to reshape God’s justice to be something that no longer includes judgment. God’s wrath is not unjust. It is righteous. Holy. Terrifying. (Romans 2: 5, Hebrews 10:26–31) And this is why the sacrifice of Christ is so important. This is what He endured for us.

You tell me your Master died and rose again. But even demons know this is true. (James 2: 19) If your gospel leaves out the cross, and repentance, wrath and hell, it’s not the gospel at all. It’s a mockery of the real thing. You’ve created a “god” who never judges sin. But this is not the God of the Bible. It’s a lie. And the Bible speaks of “another Jesus” and “another gospel.” (2 Corinthians 11:4) It’s exactly what you’re preaching.

You have to repent of redefining God. Because if you refuse to accept who He is in truth, you will not find yourself before a “gentle metaphor.” You will find yourself before the living God under judgment. (Hebrews 9: 27) What you do with the true Jesus changes everything. And right now, what you’re saying shows you do not know Him.

 

[soberxp]

You talk about your “Master.” I’d like to ask you a question. Is your master the Jesus of the Bible? Or have you created your own? Well anyone can see you have created your own. The Jesus of the Bible talked a lot about hell. Hell as a place of eternal, conscious torment. (Luke 16: 23–24, Mark 9:43–48, Matthew 25:46) He commanded people to fear the God who could cast them into hell, to burn both their body and their soul (Matthew 10:28). This is not a metaphor. This is not “complete and fair,” like you claim it must be. It is wrath, and it is eternal for those who refuse Him.

You charge me with mischaracterizing God. You are the one warping His Word to cover up a false god you have constructed. A god that you are more comfortable with. But you do not get to reshape God’s justice to be something that no longer includes judgment. God’s wrath is not unjust. It is righteous. Holy. Terrifying. (Romans 2: 5, Hebrews 10:26–31) And this is why the sacrifice of Christ is so important. This is what He endured for us.

You tell me your Master died and rose again. But even demons know this is true. (James 2: 19) If your gospel leaves out the cross, and repentance, wrath and hell, it’s not the gospel at all. It’s a mockery of the real thing. You’ve created a “god” who never judges sin. But this is not the God of the Bible. It’s a lie. And the Bible speaks of “another Jesus” and “another gospel.” (2 Corinthians 11:4) It’s exactly what you’re preaching.

You have to repent of redefining God. Because if you refuse to accept who He is in truth, you will not find yourself before a “gentle metaphor.” You will find yourself before the living God under judgment. (Hebrews 9: 27) What you do with the true Jesus changes everything. And right now, what you’re saying shows you do not know Him.

1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

22:22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

 

[Jericho]

Let's look at this from another perspective. Suppose a parent has an unruly teenage child:

Parent: You never do what I tell you to do, and you keep getting into trouble. If you keep this up, I'm kicking you out of my house!
Child: But Dad, how will I survive on the streets? Don't you love me?

Does the parent still love the child, despite the harsh ultimatum? Yes (and if he didn't love him, he wouldn't discipline him). Does the child have a choice in the matter? Yes. Is that really a choice, obey or get kicked out? Still yes. But there is no such thing as absolute freedom; there are always consequences to our actions. Hopefully, you can see where I'm going with that.

Here's another perspective. We live in a society with rules and laws. If you disobey the laws, what happens? You get fined or jailed. But those laws are there to maintain order; without them, there would be anarchy. If there were no hell and threat of punishment, how would God maintain order? What incentive is there to behave or do good?

 

[XtraPercept]

Is your master the Jesus of the Bible?

Yes, but not as so commonly portrayed. It's His voice and I love it but you compose with His words while playing something appallingly disharmonious. It is because you do not know the true meaning of your own words because they are your own words. Seek the voice of my Master and use His words as He does and then, Lord willing, you might see.

 

[soberxp]

AI and what it has been used to generate gives me the heebie-jeebies. Never before have I so deeply felt the experience of uncanny. What is artificial, synthetic, and imitative is always inferior to the source as it pertains to organic matters. Synthetic oil is vastly superior but that's beside the point.

AI is a scary knock-off of consciousness. It is all the pattern recognition and generative capabilities of skilled individuals without any single soul attached. It creates nothing, it only amalgamates, and the contents of the source material are exclusively worldly. In the right hands it has tremendous utility. But in the hands it presently is, it is not an idle threat.

Of course the Seal of the Spirit has vanquished all my fear, but for a while there my knees were shaking. I interacted with AI only in writing on two or three occasions, some free one that didn't require account registration. I was not impressed. It could only talk in circles. But to the blind, the machine logic can sound compelling for lack of appropriate perspective in the listeners.

Permitting a machine to make any form of decision is no great leap from our largely faceless leadership today. It's just that the puppet machine can convince people far more aggressively than thinly veiled government oppression. It's not the machine that would write a new bible, the machine is only to employ fancy artificial logic to make it sound like truth.

But no pattern machine will ever approach the masterful command of the word that comes only from the Holy Spirit.

My God, are you writing a poem?

666

 

[pandaflower]

That seems obvious.
Canonization creates a standard for uniformity.

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The point being, the NT was not known or disseminated prior to Canonization.

It wasn't succinct. So,people prior to Canonization did not all hear the same story. And it certainly wasn't a bound book.

 

[St. SteVen]

The point being, the NT was not known or disseminated prior to Canonization.

It wasn't succinct. So,people prior to Canonization did not all hear the same story. And it certainly wasn't a bound book.

I think there were writings that were considered scriptures, even though the NT wasn't canonized yet.

2 Peter 3:16 NIV
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.
His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort,
as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

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[pandaflower]

I think there were writings that were considered scriptures, even though the NT wasn't canonized yet.

2 Peter 3:16 NIV
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.
His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort,
as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

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Those were references to the scrolls used in the temple.ike what Jesus read from.

 

[St. SteVen]

Those were references to the scrolls used in the temple.ike what Jesus read from.

That's part of it. But notice what Peter is inferring about Paul's writing.

2 Peter 3:16 NIV
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.
His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort,
as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

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[pandaflower]

That's part of it. But notice what Peter is inferring about Paul's writing.

2 Peter 3:16 NIV
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.
His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort,
as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

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Peter knew Paul was a Pharisee.
Those were going to lead to their own destruction.

 

[bdavidc]

Yes, but not as so commonly portrayed. It's His voice and I love it but you compose with His words while playing something appallingly disharmonious. It is because you do not know the true meaning of your own words because they are your own words. Seek the voice of my Master and use His words as He does and then, Lord willing, you might see.

If you say Jesus is your Master, then listen to what He plainly said in His Word. Quit using word puzzles and mystical language that may sound spiritual, but means nothing. God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14: 33). You say I use “my own words,” but every word I have just used can be backed up with a Scripture. You’re the one using mystical language, with not a single verse to back it up. Jesus said, “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46). If you are truly listening to His voice, then speak what He has already spoken in His Word. That is how we test the spirits, if it does not agree with the truth of Scripture, we know it’s not from God (1 John 4:1, 6). I will ask you again, Are you following the Jesus of the Bible, or some voice in your head that you only feel that it is Him? If it contradicts Scripture, it can’t be Him.

 

[XtraPercept]

Are you following the Jesus of the Bible?

To the absolute best of my ability, with the fullest of my capacity, using all my energy to show and tell everyone how wonderful He really is! I know it's hard to see now, but don't stop until you are certain you have the Truth!

 

[bdavidc]

To the absolute best of my ability, with the fullest of my capacity, using all my energy to show and tell everyone how wonderful He really is! I know it's hard to see now, but don't stop until you are certain you have the Truth!

You’re pouring out energy to show how wonderful your made up Jesus is, but is it the Jesus of the Bible? Truth is not something you earn by effort or sincerity. Truth is something that has already been revealed. And it’s been revealed in one place: the Word of God. “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth” (John 17:17). Truth is in the Bible, not your made up word.

Working your hardest doesn’t mean you are on the right track. “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death” (Proverbs 14:12). So don’t go preaching about “don’t stop until you’re certain”, I am certain. I know the truth. I follow the Jesus of the Bible. Not the made up Jesus in your head that’s based on emotion or culture or tradition.

Jesus said in John 8: 31–32, “If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” If your Jesus isn’t from the Bible, then you’re not following the truth. You’re following a lie.

 

[XtraPercept]

You’re pouring out energy to show how wonderful your made up Jesus is, but is it the Jesus of the Bible? Truth is not something you earn by effort or sincerity. Truth is something that has already been revealed. And it’s been revealed in one place: the Word of God. “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth” (John 17:17). Truth is in the Bible, not your made up word.

Working your hardest doesn’t mean you are on the right track. “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death” (Proverbs 14:12). So don’t go preaching about “don’t stop until you’re certain”, I am certain. I know the truth. I follow the Jesus of the Bible. Not the made up Jesus in your head that’s based on emotion or culture or tradition.

Jesus said in John 8: 31–32, “If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” If your Jesus isn’t from the Bible, then you’re not following the truth. You’re following a lie.

I have the Deepest Joy a man can possess. I have the Everlasting Peace of salvation. I have the Love of the Father, and I share it with you now! I have a happiness built on the Foundation of all foundations and I want to share Him with you! But these things you believe get in the way, so I try to illuminate them for you with sincerest kindness and love for you as a person. I'm here to tell you the Master is so much better than you can even see right now, but keep looking! I will do my best to point at Him for you.

 

[bdavidc]

I have the Deepest Joy a man can possess. I have the Everlasting Peace of salvation. I have the Love of the Father, and I share it with you now! I have a happiness built on the Foundation of all foundations and I want to share Him with you! But these things you believe get in the way, so I try to illuminate them for you with sincerest kindness and love for you as a person. I'm here to tell you the Master is so much better than you can even see right now, but keep looking! I will do my best to point at Him for you.

No, you’re not pointing to the Jesus of the Bible, you’re pointing to a false light. You talk about joy and peace and love, but if they are not built on the truth of God’s Word, then it’s all a spiritual mirage. Did you know that “Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light”? (2 Corinthians 11:14). Just because it feels good doesn’t make it God’s good.

You mention “the Master,” but your master is not Christ. The Master you worship is the god of this world, the one who blinds the mind from the truth (2 Corinthians 4:4). Let me be very clear, I do not serve the god you serve. I serve the Lord Jesus Christ, as He is found in Scripture, and I do not serve some mystical, feel-good megalith that massages the ears but bombards the Word.

“Now he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1 John 2: 4) That means I’m not interested in the emotional, sappy, gushy pablum you serve. I’m interested in truth. And truth is found in God’s Word, alone, NOT in emotions, NOT in personal revelations, NOT in religious poetry, and not in lies.

Satan is the father of lies, the master deceiver, and the enemy of truth. Jesus said plainly in John 8: 44, “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

If the source of a belief contradicts the Word of God, it’s not divine, it’s demonic. Satan’s lies may sound spiritual, may feel peaceful, may even come wrapped in religious language, but they are still lies. Test everything by Scripture, because Satan’s oldest trick is to twist what God has said. Keep your “joy” if it takes you away from truth. I’d rather be hated for standing with God’s Word than be stroked by a lie.

Repent, and come to the true Christ while there is still time.