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The Czech authorities are mulling whether to crack down on the local branch of Jehovah’s Witnesses, whose warning of ‘religious persecution’ is downplayed by its critics as martyrdom posturing.

In a cease-and-desist order, dated from September 2024 and seen by BIRN, the Czech Culture Ministry called on the Jehovah's Witnesses to halt “any activity in violation of [the law]”.

 
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The Czech authorities are mulling whether to crack down on the local branch of Jehovah’s Witnesses, whose warning of ‘religious persecution’ is downplayed by its critics as martyrdom posturing.

In a cease-and-desist order, dated from September 2024 and seen by BIRN, the Czech Culture Ministry called on the Jehovah's Witnesses to halt “any activity in violation of [the law]”.

eh sounds like Norway. That was about shunning and while they sort of softened the shunning rules to keep the Norwegian money flowing to them- it didn't solve anything in the end.
This one seems to be about the blood policy- Honestly, the Jw lawyers will beat this.
If people want to refuse medical treatment that is no one's business.-- I don't want the state telling me what to do in terms of medical care. About refusing treatment for their little kids .. I wouldn't touch it. I don't want the state involved in telling me how to medically care for my kids either.
Believe me, I understand their convoluted hypocritical blood rules and flat out disagree- but I do not think the state should be involved.
 
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Believe me, I understand their convoluted hypocritical blood rules and flat out disagree- but I do not think the state should be involved.
Agreed. I have heard the horror stories of the JW's laying in hospital beds, with doctors, afraid to speak their minds because the elders were there. Tey wanted the blood to save their lives.

Too often, JW's don't ever think it will ever come to it. And when it does, they panic.
 

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Agreed. I have heard the horror stories of the JW's laying in hospital beds, with doctors, afraid to speak their minds because the elders were there. Tey wanted the blood to save their lives.

Too often, JW's don't ever think it will ever come to it. And when it does, they panic.

Yes, they title them the "hospital liaison committee" when all they are there for is to make sure the sick JW sticks to the org's rules.
The poor doctors are baffled by these manmade rules, but they really try hard to accommodate them. Most people think that Jws oppose blood transfusions and leave it at that. They have no idea how convoluted this whole thing is. It's a mockery.

Most JWs I know do not even understand the blood policy allowances and restrictions and it's not surprising, because if they did they would realize it's a farce. When I was able to get my dad to understand what blood products he was allowed and which he wasn't allowed-- he saw the hypocrisy of it all, but what I hoped would click didn't- and instead he said, "that's it then I will take none of them ever for me."
So it backfired. In trying to wake him to see the ridiculousness of it- it ended up causing him to refuse everything.
I'm thankful that he never faced that challenge. It would have probably felt like it was my fault,. scary huh?

That's why you don't see me exposing the hypocrisy of it all. I don't want to be the cause of a Jw refusing a product that is allowed and thereby causing them harm.
 
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That's why you don't see me exposing the hypocrisy of it all. I don't want to be the cause of a Jw refusing a product that is allowed and thereby causing them harm.
Years ago, I have a friend, who was a JW. Served as an elder. I've lost touch with him, so I'm not even sure if he's still alive. But he admitted to me that he fell away twice, first after the 1975 fiasco, then later when his 15 year old daughter died as a result of refusing blood. Of course with so many refinements in what was allowed and what wasn't, I wonder if he regrets it. In those days, it was "no blood".

If feel bad for any hemophiliacs who are JW's.
 

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Years ago, I have a friend, who was a JW. Served as an elder. I've lost touch with him, so I'm not even sure if he's still alive. But he admitted to me that he fell away twice, first after the 1975 fiasco, then later when his 15 year old daughter died as a result of refusing blood. Of course with so many refinements in what was allowed and what wasn't, I wonder if he regrets it. In those days, it was "no blood".

If feel bad for any hemophiliacs who are JW's.
No need to feel bad for hemophiliac Jws. Hemophiliac treatments (which have been long permitted) require the collection and storage of massive quantities of blood up to 2500 blood donors for a single treatment!! Imagine?
Yet, the Watchtower forbids Witnesses from storing their own blood, and also from donating blood at all-- not even in order to help the supply for their fellow Jw hemophiliacs. Like I've said - there are really no words..

Blood fractions, including those allowed for Jehovah’s Witnesses according to their own conscience, are manufactured from blood that was donated at donation centers by "worldly people" only. ( non-JWs)’.

There was no reason for this policy whatsoever, not biblically, not scientifically.

Watchtower teaching was that the allowed blood components are limited to only those that pass through the placental barrier during pregnancy and on that basis a JW could accept them in good conscience. Watchtower, 6/1/90 p.31.
The reasoning was that since Jehovah God allows these blood components to pass from mother to child, it is logical to conclude that God wouldn’t break his own law. This would perhaps sound reasonable except that medical science has shown that practically all blood components pass through the placental barrier.
Nursing a baby is also a consideration that is ignored. Babies drink t he very blood cells that are forbidden by the policy.
Take note that the writers of Watchtower pubs no longer use that reasoning above. They were forced to abandon that false reasoning.
They know but they have not informed the members!

Walknowska, J., Conte, F.A., Grumback, M.M. (1969). Practical and theoretical implications of fetal/maternal lymphocyte transfer, Lancet, 1, 119-1122; Simpson JL; Elias S., JAMA 1993 Nov. 17;270(19):2357-61; Isolating Fetal Cells in Maternal Circulation For Prenatal Diagnosis by Joe Leigh Simpson and Sherman Elias; Prenatal Diagnosis, Vol. 14: 1229-1242 (1994); Early Human Development 47 Suppl. (1996) S73-S77.
 
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No need to feel bad for hemophiliac Jws. Hemophiliac treatments (which have been long permitted) require the collection and storage of massive quantities of blood up to 2500 blood donors for a single treatment!! Imagine?
Yeah, I was aware that the Society allowed one treatment and that's it. "We'll give you a pass, once. After that you die, but hey, you'll wake up in the Kingdom."

Makes you wonder how they treat people with tourettes LOL
 

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Yeah, I was aware that the Society allowed one treatment and that's it. "We'll give you a pass, once. After that you die, but hey, you'll wake up in the Kingdom."

Makes you wonder how they treat people with tourettes LOL
For hemophiliacs? I'm not sure I understand?
 

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NO, I mentioned people with Tourette's. I wonder how the Society handles such a person, who makes weird noises and often curse uncontrollably
lol, I saw that only on a tv show once. I don't even know how to handle that other than try to ignore it and not laugh. The hemophiliac JW is an excellent example of the- take but don't give- rationale of the Watchtower which is inherent in much of what they do including their charity teachings.
Watchtower 2021 May p.7
"People may also feel that we should build schools and hospitals as well as perform other charitable works. They are stumbled because we focus our effort on the preaching work, not on solving the world's immediate problems. ... Never should we become distracted by the political and social issues of this world."

Watchtower 2017 May p.7
"Like the neighborly Samaritan in Jesus’ illustration, we want to help suffering people, including those who are not Witnesses. (Luke 10:33-37) The best way to do so is by sharing the good news with them. “It is important to make clear right away that we are Jehovah’s Witnesses and that our primary mission is to help them spiritually, not materially,” notes an elder who has taught many refugees. “Otherwise, some may associate with us only for personal advantage.”
--Unfortunately, even what they do give.. their "good news" is their own new false gospel.

You might be interested in this map-
"The Map’s goal is to combat the false notion promoted by the leaders of the Watchtower organization that “most Witnesses survive their health crisis without the use of blood.” This map, even though it only provides a snapshot of known and reported cases, shows a very contradictory and disturbing picture. " I don't know how often this map has been updated, if ever.


I am fairly sure last death count ajwrb had was 42,000+ JW deaths due to their blood policy.

Considering that all of the blood fractions in the chart below are allowed it is very sad indeed. Too many don't understand it, and many who do understand it refuse anyway seeing the hypocrisy and out of the fear implanted into them.

Whole blood is practically never used by doctors. It's almost always components or fractions. People don't know that.
The ban on white cells is extra absurd- a baby drinks mom's white cells during nursing, but if that baby needs white cells they refuse them.-- even IF it is the mother's own white cells. No donating allowed by Jws. And all components go through mom's placenta to baby. So none of makes even a lick of sense.

And of course the deaths of emergency trauma patients and pregnancy complications is ongoing.
Jws taut EPO drugs- but before taking one they are asked their blood type and the reason for that is it needs to match the blood type it is made from. EPO's are actually made from whole blood.
My mom took EPO's- super expensive. Big pharma loves the Watchtower. They demand these new drugs and JWs pay big money for them. My mom had no idea why they needed her blood type, and I remained quiet because she needed to do something. There are a lot of very serious side effects with EPOs.- black box warnings. Jws like to argue that blood makes money. 1 unit of blood is btwn 250-600. My mom's EPO was 1,000 per shot. She took over 5 shots. It put her in what they call the donut hole in her Medicare- they stop paying. Pharma is making a lot of money here-- much more than blood.
They have zero arguments, but that doesn't stop them from trying.
It is a medical preference and they should leave it at that.

The Watchtower has fully convinced Jws that they will get a disease from blood products. It is a hugely blown out of proportion lie to keep them in line, but you cant convince JWs of that. You know how that goes. If you look at the chart they are slowly changing this policy and that is how they make all changes. It avoids the shock value. Meanwhile though, JWs and their kids are dying.- JWs don't believe that either. It's always the problem. even when they praise the ones who died.. it still doesn't happen.
Everyone lies except the watchtower....because... they said so.

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While "bloodless" medicine is interesting, it is a misnomer most of the time ( EPO's and fractions are used)- those hospitals are not an option for many. So while some Jws may live, others die due to location. There are approx 100 hospitals that offer some level of 'bloodless" care in the USA now, but they are even more scarce in the rest of the world. That leaves many Jws out in the cold who die.

The black box warning side effects of these new drugs should never be ignored. All medical has risks, but JWs need to be informed without the WT bias. Natural is always better- why are they forbidden from donating their own blood before surgery?!!
 

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Its is good to refute JW doctrine. We must believe Jesus is the messiah to be saved.
 

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Well, the JW's do believe Jesus is the Messiah.
Berean,
Do the "Bible Students" believe that Jesus paid for our personal sins or just Adamic sin like Jws.. ?
Do you guys also believe like Jws-- that when you die physically that you have paid for your own sins, so therefore you are sinless?

I can't recall which watchtower president began what..
 

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Berean,
Do the "Bible Students" believe that Jesus paid for our personal sins or just Adamic sin like JWs?
According to Romans 5:12, "through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned." So, every man, woman and child who ever lived and are now living are born sinners, not because of what any of us ever did, but because of what Adam did. This is what we call "Adamic Sin". We're told in 1 Corinthians 15:22, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive." So, we believe Jesus died for Adam, in dying for Adam, he not only redeemed him, but redeemed all those who came from his loins, e.g. the world of mankind. As a side note, we believe the Millennial Kingdom of Christ, the thousand-year reign will be a learning process. Every man, woman and child who ever lived will be resurrected, they will learn what God did for them through the person of Jesus Christ. at the end of the reign, mankind will be perfect, as Adam was. The world will be restored/perfect as it was in the garden. In the end, we're told in Revelation 20:14, that "Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire." This is referred to as "the second death." The first death being "adamic death." Thus after mankind is perfect, anyone who sins, will die for their own personal sins, they can't blame Adam, as Adam's sin was paid for.

Do you guys also believe like Jws-- that when you die physically that you have paid for your own sins, so therefore you are sinless?
Well, Romans 6:23 does tell us that "the wages of sin is death" but I have never heard we are now sinless. Even the JW's believe when you die, you're dead.

Let me turn that question around to you. I'm going to assume that you are orthodox in you're beliefs, if I'm wrong please correct me. But if I'm not mistaken, Christians for the most part teach if you're a believer, when you die you go straight to heaven. So if the wages of sin is death, then when a believer dies, he's paid his debt and goes straight to heaven. I doubt if a sinner will be allowed to enter the holy of holies.

I can't recall which watchtower president began what.
It probably began with Rutherford and had to be refined by succeeding presidents and Governing Body. It's hard to keep up with all the changes they make.