Grailhunter
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Your facts do not appear in scripture.
You are making it up as you go. If that is what you are doing why bother reading scripture.
PETER AND THE ONE AND ONLY GOSPEL
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Your facts do not appear in scripture.
You are making it up as you go. If that is what you are doing why bother reading scripture.
Behold
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Im not a partaker of any type of "sheol" theology.
However, i am a gigantic fan of the Holy Bible, and the word teaches that the spirits of the OT saints went somewhere.
We notice that Jesus said that "Abraham rejoiced to see Jesus's day".......and saw it... and When He saw it, Abraham was not in heaven.
He was in "paradise'.
Grailhunter
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Grailhunter
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Like I said people can speculate on what Christ said.
But making speculation override or add to what Christ said is a different matter.
Taken
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The disciples were followers, learn-“ING”…
(A process.)
During that time… Peter was challenged, feared, and denied knowing Jesus.
After Jesus death and Resurrection…
The Disciples (and near 100 others) were gathered together and Received The Gift of Salvation.
Then did the Disciples become Apostles… traveling, teaching and Preaching the Gospel.
Were they all knowing? No.
Were they all understanding? No
The Knowing (the word of God) is one thing.
The Understanding (the Word of God) is another thing…. (Which IS given a man From the Lord God…at the timing of the Lord Gods Pleasure…)
Glory to God,
Taken
It’s exactly true. God knows all, and this is His creation and tapestry. He didn’t send Jonah to Nineveh by accident, He knew that later the Gospel would be preached to the entire world, before the apostles understood that and before the New Testament was written.
That being the case, all matters must be established by two or three witnesses. Jonah, going to Nineveh was the first witness of the grafting on of the non believing heathen/gentile to the Olive Tree.
Peter then receives a vision on the rooftop to bring the good news to gentiles in Acts 10, which is the second witness of this plan. None of it involving a new gospel. Because we know in Hebrews 11 it was by faith that Abel, Enoch, Abraham etc pleased God. None of which had the law.
Acts 11:17-18 (AMP) 17 “So, if God gave Gentiles the same gift [equally] as He gave us after we accepted and believed and trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ [as Savior], who was I to interfere or stand in God’s way?” 18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified and praised God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance that leads to eternal life [that is, real life after earthly death].”
Jesus even calls Peter, the son of Jonah:
Matthew 16:17 (AMP)
Then Jesus answered him, “Blessed [happy, spiritually secure, favored by God] are you, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood (mortal man) did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
this is further connection and witness of Gods plan and refutation of any and all gnostic and heretical views/doctrine that Paul was off doing his own thing. Understand?
So when Paul has his revelation (a revelation is not a new gospel, you’re being disingenuous by saying so) of bringing the good news to the gentile/heathens, which was discussed in council in Jerusalem, just as it says in Acts, and further it is witnessed (ie, attested to as authentic) by both Jonah going to Nineveh, who we are told will stand in Judgement in both Matt 12:41 and Luke 11:32 and Peter’s vision Acts 10, thereby establishing the matter as Gods will and not some crackpot scheme by Paul.
Luke 11:32 (AMP)
“The men of Nineveh will stand up [as witnesses] at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and look, something greater than Jonah is here.
further more, the word gentile is used incorrectly by many. The old definition was: A pagan or heathen, ie non believer. Because we know that those who believe on Jesus Christ are grafted in and become as one of the same olive tree. There is no distinction in believers in Jesus Christ. You are either a believer or not.
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Grailhunter
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Gentile is defined as how it is used in the Bible.....anyone that is not of Jewish bloodline. But a lot of times it refers to those that are not of Jewish bloodline that converted to Christianity.
amigo de christo
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Oh tis a whore house all right . but its not in heaven
THEY ONLY THINK IT IS but have no idea
that on the day of the LORD they shall be wailing
AS WILL ALL of christendom who sold them the lie that we all serve the same GOD .
I know this lie is of anti christ .
Tis of the darkness and the dark one
who simply desires the death of all . TO sie trenches and to GOD BE ALL THE GLORY .
WE in a war my friend and this war is for the souls of men .
THERE IS ONLY ONE NAME we preach , because ITS ONLY HIS NAME , TIS ONLY HE
who can save . HIS name . JESUS THE GLORIOUS RISEN CHRIST OF GOD ALL MIGHTY .
amigo de christo
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There is only one gospel . IT IS THE GOSPEL OF THE MOST BLESSED HOLY SON OF GOD ALL MIGHTY CHRIST JESUS
And all of them preached that one same gospel to both the jews and to the greeks , gentiles .
We are in the middle of an all out assault upon and infiltration of What is left of christendom .
They have brought a trogan horse they call peace and intefaith unto this world and her religoins
and christendom leads in this mess .
But what all those peoples do not know , INCLUDING christendom is
THAT WITHIN that horse is naught but death and men who shall bring
the worlds largest graveyard upon them all . And the birds in the heavens shall feast upon the flesh of those men
and all who bought their lie .
WHY .
CAUSE JESUS GOT DENIED
And JESUS WONT BE DENIED . for to DENY CHRIST is to DENY GOD HIMSELF .
just a friendly reminder to us all .
Peter NEVER preached Paul's ""MY gospel"" that is a LIE!
Peter was preaching what Jesus told them to ; that is to teach and preach to all nations all they saw about Jesus; miracles, death, resurrection, transfiguration and ascension to out Father in Heaven, something Paul Never witnessed. if it was not for the synoptic Gospels, we would know VERY little of Jesus! He did so much More than die in the cross and I make my point with scripture;
Jhn 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
another Lie! acts 15:7 that I have shown you already 50 times but it wont enter in your head why?
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Grailhunter
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Not always.
1stCenturyLady
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When do you think Jesus did this:
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
1stCenturyLady
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“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.” ’
Grailhunter
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As a theologian I deal with what is actually presented in the scriptures. Some things have to remain unclear if the scriptures are unclear.
Speculation is not harmful if you take it for what it is worth….not solid belief.
Did Yeshua go to Sheol to preach salvation to those there during the 39 hours He was "dead"? Not impossible. It would leave the Jews and all those in the Old Testament a second chance? But this is not defined in the scriptures.
amigo de christo
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Yes we do not fully understand this .
But we do know , or should know
that since the ressurection of Christ it is the one true gospel that must be preached .
And any and all who fail to beleive on HIM have called GOD a liar .
Damanation and mighty damnation awaits such .
For if the sheep could suffer tremendous persecutions at the hands of men ,
If nero could light christains afire in his garden and listen to their howls.
IF sufferings and great persecutions are allowed to come upon the sheep
What do you suppose is gonna come upon those who did deny JESUS .
Oh i tell us , as a man once told a roman proconsul
when that man told him that he would give him to be burned .
The man said , You speak of a fire thats flames can torment but a quick time
but are yourself ignorant of the flames that burn eternal .
IN OTHER WORDS that man knew , exactly as by grace i do know
THERE IS SOMETHING FAR WORSE that awaits anything a man can to do us
But this is why I POINT TO ONLY ONE NAME and that JESUS is the bibilical one .
Because all who do beleive in HIM have eternal life .
But woe wail to the halls and men of interfaith and of this world
who preach a lie , AND DO SO IN JESUS OWN NAME , to merge this people .
Yea , i say woe unto them all . And seeing i desire not their death
WELL they has to be warned and exposed so as none dares even enter into such a covenant of the second death
with them .
amigo de christo
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To him who Overcomes ..............
and how does one overcome .
By faith in CHRIST JESUS .
And if that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you
Then you shall continue in the Father , in the Son .
Paradise awaits the sheep at the end of our faith .
but scaradise awaits all who fed this people a lie
who fed them to the pits and iron jaws of inclusivity interfaith and false love .
For it denies JESUS . but woe wail to many of them and double woe wail
to those who dared to even lip the MIGHTY and GLORIOUS NAME OF JESUS
and yet promoted a lie in HIS NAME .
Oh there is a paradise all right
A lovely city in the heavens that shall descend one day
But many have rejected the words of HE who is the temple in that city
The temple which is GOD and the lamb
and have made BROAD the road to paradise . but that road ends in scaradise . for their will be weeping and wailing
heard in that place . JESUS preaching time
and bible reading time .
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