Who Are God’s Chosen People?

[amigo de christo]

Correct!

It's God's desire that ALL be SAVED.
It's the enemy twisting and messing around with God's Word... the Bible.
Some preachers are influenced by the enemy, false teachers, wolves in sheep clothing.
Don't fool yourselves...They are in the Church...They are in the government, in the schools..They are on this forum as well. They are everywhere.

And utube/internet is full of them.

its everywhere my friend .
And they all , JUST as satan did , can use truths to promote a lie .
twisted of course .
That man PUT THE BLAME ON THE TRUTH itself .
deconstruction has taken many .
but even they can use truths , as do satan , to justify a lie , as DO SATAN .
This sheep will heed NO SUCH MEN .
the fault lies not in GOD , but on men .
GOD desires all to be saved . This true . BUT as we know , OR SHOULD KNOW
that dont mean EVERYONE WILL BE SAVED .
You do agree with that right .
HERE IS WHO I KNOW WITH NO DOUBT will be saved
NOW before i say it allow me to also say MANY USE THAT LOVELY NAME
to promote a image of jesus that best serves them . AND do i really need to explain to you
WHY I DID NOT , and may it be a cold day in a real hot place before i do , capitlize that NAME .
Because , here is the truth , AND HARD as this may seem to grasp and to beleive TO THIS CHRISTENDOM
TRUE IT STILL IS . another jesus WONT BE SAVING ANYONE . satan can lip his name and YET HE WILL DARN
SURE present another jesus that , serves satan and the flesh . AND I KNOW THAT ONE WONT SAVE .
its why we see MONEY BLABBING jesus , or rainbow jesus , or koran kissing jesus
OF WHICH NONE of those will be captilized on my watch . CAUSE I KNOW IT AINT JESUS .
many attack the actual truth as though THE TRUTH IS THE PROBLEM . but then many do love a lie that best
suits their flesh . AND I KNOW A LIE WONT SAVE . SO here is WHO SAVES .
JESUS DOES . and one must BELEIVE IN HIM and if one beleives in HIM , oh they would have BELEIVED HIS WORDS .
But many follow another jesus and another god who by means OF his version of love has DECIEVED THEM ALL .

 

[Randy Kluth]

Just a quick question. What is the matter with God the Creator having a plan where He chooses some of His creation for certain purposes in Jesus kingdom and others He chooses to not include in His Son's kingdom at all?

Is that double predestination?

On its face there is nothing wrong with that. Paul says the same thing.

The difficulty is in understanding God's justice in the matter. None of us would think it is good to pre-plan our dog to be born with some horrible disease. In the same way we might have difficulty understanding God pre-planning someone to go to Hell.

But if the result of a process of justice leads to that eventuality then it can be said God pre-planned it in a just way, allowing for human free agents to go down a path that leads to that, completely separate from what God had originally wanted to happen.

I look at it like this. God utilized His Word to design a path that led 100% to life for all of humanity. But He used His Word to give man as free agents choice to cooperate with His Word or not.

So when Man chose to compromise working together with God's Word a split took place, allowing for two paths, one still cooperating with God's Word and another resistant to God's Word, rebelling against it and creating an entirely new path foreign to God's original will.

Did God take responsibility for this by giving Man free will? Yes. But it was still part of His justice, with the negative results being due to the choice of free agents rather than God's original choice.

 

[amigo de christo]

On its face there is nothing wrong with that. Paul says the same thing.

The difficulty is in understanding God's justice in the matter. None of us would think it is good to pre-plan our dog to be born with some horrible disease. In the same way we might have difficulty understanding God pre-planning someone to go to Hell.

But if the result of a process of justice leads to that eventuality then it can be said God pre-planned it in a just way, allowing for human free agents to go down a path that leads to that, completely separate from what God had originally wanted to happen.

I look at it like this. God utilized His Word to design a path that led 100% to life for all of humanity. But He used His Word to give man as free agents choice to cooperate with His Word or not.

So when Man chose to compromise working together with God's Word a split took place, allowing for two paths, one still cooperating with God's Word and another resistant to God's Word, rebelling against it and creating an entirely new path foreign to God's original will.

Did God take responsibility for this by giving Man free will? Yes. But it was still part of His justice, with the negative results being due to the choice of free agents rather than God's original choice.

Which of the three is it . california , orgeon or washington .
Always remember one thing about THE JUSTICE OF GOD .
HE wants NO PART OF this social justice mumbo jumbo .
Just a friendly reminder to us all .

 

[GeneZ]

Just a quick question. What is the matter with God the Creator having a plan where He chooses some of His creation for certain purposes in Jesus kingdom and others He chooses to not include in His Son's kingdom at all?

Is that double predestination?

How many Brides can Jesus have?

The Jews were not the Bride.

Not until the Church age began, when anyone who believes in Jesus stops being what they had been, to become a new creation in Christ.
Neither Jew nor Gentile.

God chooses each soul for His purpose.
Not all have been predestined by God to find their salvation at a time they would become the Bride of Christ.

 

[Jay Ross]

God's chosen people are the ones who deliberately take root in His fertile soil in His prepared field while they are able to draw breath.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Which of the three is it . california , orgeon or washington .
Always remember one thing about THE JUSTICE OF GOD .
HE wants NO PART OF this social justice mumbo jumbo .
Just a friendly reminder to us all .

The Left Coast is falling off the edge of sanity, in my opinion. You have made a completely absurd statement, that God wants no part of social justice, unless you are referring to the corrupt social justice of the Left-Wing states of America?

 

[Triumph1300]

The Left Coast is falling off the edge of sanity, in my opinion. You have made a completely absurd statement, that God wants no part of social justice, unless you are referring to the corrupt social justice of the Left-Wing states of America?

Todays "social justice" is evil perverted garbage.
A socialist invention corrupted to the core.
It has nothing to do with Christianity.

 

[One 2 question]

And to test all spirits for many false ones do abound in these last hours .
Many are being led by what THEY beleive and think IS the SPIRIT
only to find out , ITS NOT at all THE HOLY SPIRIT of GOD .
SO while everything you just wrote is good my friend , WE better quickly add the LETS GET them into that BIBLE to learn .

I find comfort in knowing that my Father didn't give me an evil spirit when I asked Him for His Holy Spirit, just as Jesus promised.

Every since receiving Him, He has transformed my life from the inside out. I find I try to resist Him from time to time but thankfully He always wins in the end.

As you heard me say, the expressed thoughts of God contained in the various bibles takes me so far but the Spirit of Truth Himself is continuing to lead me into all truth. ALL truth that has no bounds and contains the extremly small fraction found within the covers of all the bibles and scriptures.

You can intentionally stick within the parameters of the scriptures but for others of us we will not try to restrict the Holy Spirit from leading us into all truth. We would be stupid to attempt such a foolish thing.

 

[One 2 question]

Many are called, but few are chosen. Many are called but few heed the call. Those that do not heed the call are not chosen.

The purpose? God’s ultimate purpose in choosing is to display His glory, mercy, and grace through us. Possibly more to it than just that.

Yes, according to God Who said through Paul.....this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Yes, we are a part of God's eternal purpose.

Then there are the Jews, Israel, God's chosen people, starting with Abraham.

And the interactive audience, the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms. They too participate in God's eternal purpose.

Yet there is, not now, but later, when King Jesus returns with His bride, a work to do. The restoration of all things in which Jesus has 1000 years to carry out this objective. What a fantastic hope we have here. A real purpose of gigantic proportions. To restore a whole planet over such a long period, not just three score years and 10.

Then that which follows which is mind blowing.....

What a future to look forward to hey. What a purpose to fulfill that can NEVER be prevented NEVER stopped or railroaded by any opposing force.

 

[One 2 question]

You are already in love with a lie .
But will you be able to see this or will you make excuse for your actions .
LOOK real closely at what YOU just wrote .
YOU BLAMED THE PROBLEM ON THE VERY INSPIRED WORDS OF GOD
IS IT REALLY GOD and HIS FAULT that MEN TWISTED HIS WORDS .
My question to you is WHY do you seem to love a lie .
YOU just blamed the bible
BUT THE FAULT AINT ON THE TRUTH , ITS ON THE MEN THAT TWISTED THE TRUTH .
Just cause a man can twist the scriptures , DARN SURE DONT MEAN I AM gonna abandon the TRUTH .
IT JUST MEANS i wont sit under such men .
YOU already are in love with a lie . cause we both know deep down that ol bible
speaks against something you love .
I guess by now you can see i aint influenced by what men said .
ME is gonna rather stick TO WHAT GOD SAID .
YOU PUT THE BLAME ON THE TRUTH ITSELF .
Dont think i accuse you , HECK i was in that same boat TILL GOD FREED ME .
SO i am gonna make it real simple . HOW about YOU GET BACK INTO THE BIBLE FOR YOU .
AND you TEST all men against such lovely TRUTH I KNOW , I KNOW and that BY GRACE that GOD DID INSPIRE .

Let's get back to the Spirit Who Jesus promised to send to us and has.

He never promised to get the church to gather various scrolls and compile them into the numerous bibles that have found their way onto the market.

Let's enjoy God's Gift of Truth, the Spirit of Truth.

 

[One 2 question]

It would be like a man saying , hey many have used JESUS NAME to do much evil
SO LETS NOT USE JESUS NAME ANYMORE .

Sounds a bit like those who mischaracterise the Holy Spirit God sent to the church. They identify Holy Spirit as an evil spirit. Even though both exist. Like Christ Himself and false christs. Like wheat and the counterfeit, the tares.

There is only 1 Holy Spirit that I'm aware of.

 

[One 2 question]

Look again real closely at your own defense .
YOU JUST PUT THE BLAME ON WHAT GOD INSPIRED as the problem .
THE PROBLEM aint the bible . AND YEAH I ALREADY KNOW MANY HAVE TWISTED IT .
It would be like a man saying , hey many have used JESUS NAME to do much evil
SO LETS NOT USE JESUS NAME ANYMORE .
YOU are IN LOVE WITH A LIE and we both know why that is . You aint fooling me .
HOWEVER i aint GOD am i .....................NO i aint GOD , you aint GOD
GOD IS GOD . SO how about we learn THE TRUTH HE INSPIRED IN THOSE SCRIPS .
DONT BLAME TRUTH as the problem , JUST cause men can twist THE TRUTH .
The problem IS NOT THE TRUTH . ITS MEN who twist TRUTH unto their own destruction .
JUST LIKE YOU DID . YOU put the blame ON THE BIBLE
when the blame should have been on THE MEN WHO TWISTED the HOLY GOD ALL MIGHTY INSPIRED TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES.

I'm interested in gaining more of the ALL TRUTH Jesus spoke of. I'm in pursuit of every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Be they found in the scriptures, the bibles, nature, dreams, visions, prophecies or any other means. I'll receive what the Spirit takes from Christ and reveals to me every day of the week. I'm not partial but wholeheartedly open and expectant of Him to deliver God's words to me. This is awesome! He is awesome!!

 

[One 2 question]

On its face there is nothing wrong with that. Paul says the same thing.

Noted

The difficulty is in understanding God's justice in the matter. None of us would think it is good to pre-plan our dog to be born with some horrible disease. In the same way we might have difficulty understanding God pre-planning someone to go to Hell.

Depending on the purpose for which intends to use the dog. Being God He can heal every single one.

One dog is fit and healthy to serve a sleigh dogs til the day it eventually dies after living a full life.

The next dog inherits a disease from its parent. A new cure is accepted by this dog and it is healed. Cheers to the inventer of that cure.

God has a purpose for everything He has designed and created, be they good plants in the original garden of Eden or weeds afterwards. He created them all, TO FULFIL A PURPOSE.

But if the result of a process of justice leads to that eventuality then it can be said God pre-planned it in a just way, allowing for human free agents to go down a path that leads to that, completely separate from what God had originally wanted to happen.

Who ever concocted the notion that our Creator designed human free agents with free will so that they could go down a path that leads to that which is completely separate from what God had originally wanted to happen?

Who ever concocted the notion that our Creator some time later actually created human free agents with free will so that they could go down a path that leads to that which is completely separate from what God had originally wanted to happen?

I look at it like this. God utilized His Word to design a path that led 100% to life for all of humanity. But He used His Word to give man as free agents choice to cooperate with His Word or not.

Did God design humans to go against His will, His script, His plan for them? And still hold them accountable for His flawed design? Come on. Is God that short sighted?

So when Man chose to compromise working together with God's Word a split took place, allowing for two paths, one still cooperating with God's Word and another resistant to God's Word, rebelling against it and creating an entirely new path foreign to God's original will.

Foreign to God's original will, even though knew it could and would come to pass in this way? If so God must've been ok with this outcome. If not He could've redesigned us so this was not possible. Then God's original plans could stay on track to its perfect fulfilment.

Did God take responsibility for this by giving Man free will? Yes. But it was still part of His justice, with the negative results being due to the choice of free agents rather than God's original choice.

God did prepare the lake of fire for the devil and his angels. But did God know that He would have to send creatures made in His Own image and likeness there too?

 

[Randy Kluth]

Noted

Depending on the purpose for which intends to use the dog. Being God He can heal every single one.

One dog is fit and healthy to serve a sleigh dogs til the day it eventually dies after living a full life.

The next dog inherits a disease from its parent. A new cure is accepted by this dog and it is healed. Cheers to the inventer of that cure.

God has a purpose for everything He has designed and created, be they good plants in the original garden of Eden or weeds afterwards. He created them all, TO FULFIL A PURPOSE.

Who ever concocted the notion that our Creator designed human free agents with free will so that they could go down a path that leads to that which is completely separate from what God had originally wanted to happen?

Sounds like free will to me. If you don't believe in free will I wonder where you get that from?

Who ever concocted the notion that our Creator some time later actually created human free agents with free will so that they could go down a path that leads to that which is completely separate from what God had originally wanted to happen?

Did God design humans to go against His will, His script, His plan for them? And still hold them accountable for His flawed design? Come on. Is God that short sighted?

You don't believe in free will then? I get it.

I never said a thing about God having a "flawed design." That's what you said. Giving human beings free will is not a flawed design.

Foreign to God's original will, even though knew it could and would come to pass in this way? If so God must've been ok with this outcome. If not He could've redesigned us so this was not possible. Then God's original plans could stay on track to its perfect fulfilment.

God did prepare the lake of fire for the devil and his angels. But did God know that He would have to send creatures made in His Own image and likeness there too?

God knew every possible outcome. No decision free agents make take Him by surprise. You're stumped by the "problem of evil." I get it.

 

[Randy Kluth]

I find comfort in knowing that my Father didn't give me an evil spirit when I asked Him for His Holy Spirit, just as Jesus promised.

Every since receiving Him, He has transformed my life from the inside out. I find I try to resist Him from time to time but thankfully He always wins in the end.

As you heard me say, the expressed thoughts of God contained in the various bibles takes me so far but the Spirit of Truth Himself is continuing to lead me into all truth. ALL truth that has no bounds and contains the extremly small fraction found within the covers of all the bibles and scriptures.

You can intentionally stick within the parameters of the scriptures but for others of us we will not try to restrict the Holy Spirit from leading us into all truth. We would be stupid to attempt such a foolish thing.

I never said all truth is confined to the Bible. But I would say that all truth would never contradict Scriptural truth.

Sounds like you're trying to paint me into a corner? I was just answering your questions.

You're puffed up if you think you are advanced in knowledge above others because you look beyond the Scriptures. That could take you into dangerous territory. We're all subject to the Lord's will. We know only what He wants us to know.

Col 2.18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

 

[One 2 question]

How many Brides can Jesus have?

No idea. That's up to Him and His Father to decide.

The Jews were not the Bride.

I'm not sure if They have or will refer to them as the Bride. The scriptures and the bibles to my knowledge don't but that's not to say that God hasn't or won't in the future. We have such an extremely limited written source from which to determine your above statement.

I just asked God now. I'll see if His Spirit gives me further revelation concerning this.

Not until the Church age began, when anyone who believes in Jesus stops being what they had been, to become a new creation in Christ.
Neither Jew nor Gentile.

I'll get back to you if Father informs me different or further.

God chooses each soul for His purpose.
Not all have been predestined by God to find their salvation at a time they would become the Bride of Christ.

Ok. So some are predestined to be chosen for the purpose of reigning as kings under King of kings and serve as priest under the Great High Priest in His 1000 year kingdom. These are His Bride?

Then the rest will be thrown into the lake of fire? Or are there a third group? What are these? God fearing, pre Jesus, descendants of Abraham?

Actually do you think there is a fourth group. Those human survivors who live on and repopulate the earth in the millennium?

 

[Marvelloustime]

I have a far better and far simplier idea .
WHY Dont the church get back to Preaching the DIRE NECESSITY TO BELEIVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
rather than dabbling into concepts they dont even fully comprehend .
I mean its as easy as one , two , three , IF ONE COMETH TO CHRIST BELEIVING ON HIM
THEY SAVED . And get them into the scriptures to learn for themselves .
Teaching them to observe all THINGS HE taught , as well as the apostels and the holy scriptures .
Pre destination double predestination ,
Yea rather , WE must point to CHRIST JESUS cause i know HE saves .
You do realize that even many within christendome are in trouble .
I say its time to return to the basics and learn the scriptures for ourselves .

@amigo de christo

 

[One 2 question]

I never said all truth is confined to the Bible. But I would say that all truth would never contradict Scriptural truth.

Yet you must agree that what God wrote and what He said can be different. I'm not sure if this is what you mean by contradict.

Sounds like you're trying to paint me into a corner? I was just answering your questions.

Sorry, it wasn't my intention.

You're puffed up if you think you are advanced in knowledge above others because you look beyond the Scriptures. That could take you into dangerous territory. We're all subject to the Lord's will. We know only what He wants us to know.

Yes agreed, I did not choose to be given the revelations the Holy Spirit has shared with me. I simply receive them, believe them, apply them and share them. Unless the Spirit says not to.

Jesus was recorded saying that His sheep will hear Him. But not a stranger. They will run from them.

Yes, we are subjeted to God and His will.

Col 2.18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

Yes, there must still be such as these around today. I'm in no place to boast as Jesus knows my weaknesses all too well and could humble me in seconds. I'm very grateful for the truths He downloads into me. They have changed me so much, my attitudes, beliefs, actions.

I thank Him every day for His mercy, grace and love I get to see in those I have the privilege of discipling and within my own journey with Them.

 

[soberxp]

But the name "Israel" does not glorify God.

 

[amigo de christo]

But the name "Israel" does not glorify God.

the name that glorifies GOD .
I have made manifest your NAME .
The name above all .
WHO Just happens to be who TRUE ISRAEL BELEIVETH IN .......................
OH YES .
The name put above all names .
The name that those who do BELEIVE IN
GLORIFY GOD by HIM .
Hamas is of satan as is the religoin of islam and any member within it .
But many jews are also of satan
as are many gentiles .
Trapped in bondage to what they love above all . THEY SIN .
and believe me satan can and does feed men through the lusts of their flesh .
OH ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME ALL RIGHT .
but if anyones jesus contradicts in any shape form or fashion
THE JESUS recored in the scrips , THEM WORDS
the scrips , THE apostels who were inspired BY that SPIRIT . OH IT AINT JESUS at all . its a lie they love .