Unlocking Genesis 3:1

[Hiddenthings]

The next issue we have for those unable to answer the questions around Genesis 3:1 is Paul's understanding of it in 2 Corinthians 11.

Where Paul refers to the events of Gen 3:1–13.

But I am afraid that just as the serpent deceived Eve by his treachery (cunning), your minds may be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ 2 Co 11:3.

No mention of a fallen angel, or a ventriloquist event.

Confirms the creature God had made used its cunning as it was created!

This is not the type of evidence those holding to a fallen angel need.

Why didn't Paul introduce this creature here? it's the perfect context to do so!

In fact by extension of his analogy, this refers to the deceitfulness of Paul’s opponents in Corinth. These people cast doubt on God’s promises and Paul’s apostolic authority but not mention of an angelic mastermind at work.

 

[CTK]

You're right, it is symbolic, but the application above is a miss.

Now, as for the debate that’s been ongoing in this forum for the past six weeks: it’s become quite clear that there is no scriptural support for a fallen angel or an evil supernatural being. That idea simply hasn’t stood up to the evidence.

Please give me your take on this issue… who spoke with Eve to convince her to eat the fruit?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Please give me your take on this issue… who spoke with Eve to convince her to eat the fruit?

An animal which God had made. Scripture could not be clearer.

But why?

 

[Jack]

It clearly states that the devil has his angels....and all will end up in the lake of fire, which is eternal annihilation.

It does not say that! Your GB says it.

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And Jesus said the same about BILLIONS of humans!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Yes, lake of fire is just a metaphor for permanent death.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Prophetically speaking Europe will face a lake of fire through the outpouring of Divine judgment (Daniel 7:11; 2 Thessalonians 1:8; Malachi 4:1–2). Just as Sodom was consumed by “fire and brimstone” as an example of God’s fiery judgment, so too will those powers that foolishly resist the reign of Christ experience similar destruction (Jude 7). The political structures of Western Europe, along with all influences of Catholicism, will be completely removed from the earth.

Discerning the symbol is important for both past historical events and future.

 

[Jack]

Yes, lake of fire is just a metaphor for permanent death.

Satan LOVES it when humans deny he and Hell Fire exist!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Satan LOVES it when humans deny he and Hell Fire don't exist!

You are friends? You mention this creature often as though you are buddy's lol

 

[Hiddenthings]

Revelation 19:21 is interesting as it defines this lake of fire destruction and follows

"And the remnant were slain with the sword of him who sat upon the horse" though the primary forces of organized opposition will be defeated, pockets of resistance will persist. These remaining forces will be brought down by the campaigns of Christ, or by the “seven thunders” described in Revelation 10:3.

Can you see the connection between widespread death and the remnant being slain with the sword.

It's all there if you have half a brain!

 

[Jack]

You are friends? You mention this creature often as though you are buddy's lol

How ironic!

 

[Jack]

Revelation 19:21 is interesting as it defines this lake of fire destruction and follows

"And the remnant were slain with the sword of him who sat upon the horse" though the primary forces of organized opposition will be defeated, pockets of resistance will persist. These remaining forces will be brought down by the campaigns of Christ, or by the “seven thunders” described in Revelation 10:3.

Can you see the connection between widespread death and the remnant being slain with the sword.

It's all there if you have half a brain!

You have "half a brain"?

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Hiddenthings]

You have "half a brain"?

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Is the fire literal Jack?

Do you know what the word literal means?

 

[Jack]

Is the fire literal Jack?

Do you know what the word literal means?

Of course it's real. Jesus said so.

Matthew 25:41-46
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Of course it's real. Jesus said so.

Matthew 25:41-46
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.

Yes, we all know the fires outside Jerusalem (Gehenna) were real, even though they no longer burn today.

What I ask your supposed “whole brain” to consider is this: Is the fire in Revelation 20 meant to be taken literally?

Will this literal fire burn forever on the earth?

When God is all and in all, and His tabernacle dwells with humanity on Earth.

 

[Jack]

Yes, we all know the fires outside Jerusalem (Gehenna) were real, even though they no longer burn today.

What I ask your supposed “whole brain” to consider is this: Is the fire in Revelation 20 meant to be taken literally?

Will this literal fire burn forever on the earth?

When God is all and in all, and His tabernacle dwells with humanity on Earth.

I already quoted Jesus twice. It's your word against His WORD! Want more? Ok.

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I already quoted Jesus twice. It's your word against His WORD! Want more? Ok.

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

1st Century furnace.

 

[Jack]

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1st Century furnace.

Are you trying to say something?