Jesus is God

[jaybird]

Don't discount Trolling as yet another reason they "don't get it".

if you cant refute them try name calling. it works for my 12 yr old

 

[Davy]

ohh good grief its not ludicrous, you cant answer because you know the problem

if Jesus is man and G-D it makes Him unlike all other men, not one of us and by definition not a man.

this idea was invented almost 600 years after Jesus at 2nd council of constantinople, the reason they invented it was to fix all the other problems with the trinity, but like all the other changes they made to this doctrine, it only caused more problems.
this was the last change they made, when it failed and set them right back to square one they threw their hands up in frustration and just went to burning people alive. if your teachings require you to burn people alive for acceptance something is bad wrong

Yes @pandaflower , he's definitely a TROLL.

This is what a Troll looked like in my childhood days...

 

[pandaflower]

Yes @pandaflower , he's definitely a TROLL.

This is what a Troll looked like in my childhood days...

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Cute!

 

[jaybird]

so are you guys like shills or bots, because you guys will not engage in anything, you make a statement, anything anyone says you guys ignore it and respond with things like Jesus loves you or read your bible.

are there not any real people here anymore?

 

[jaybird]

Yes @pandaflower , he's definitely a TROLL.

This is what a Troll looked like in my childhood days...

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thats pretty funny, i have children so i know how to play this game.
this is you guys when anyone questions your logic

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You're right that Jesus is fully God, and that truth is non-negotiable. But a few parts of what you said go beyond what the Bible actually teaches.

First, while it’s common to say Jesus has a “dual nature,” the Bible doesn’t use that kind of wording. It clearly tells us He is both God and man (John 1:1, John 1:14, Colossians 2:9), but it doesn’t explain it in philosophical terms. We just need to stick with what’s written and not go beyond that (1 Corinthians 4:6).

Second, the idea that Jesus was “generated from eternity into time” is not in Scripture. Jesus wasn’t created or produced. He is eternal. He’s always existed as God (Micah 5:2, John 1:1). Saying He was “generated” can confuse people and make it sound like He had a beginning, which would be false.

Also, calling God a “composite unity” is human language, not Bible language. Scripture says God is one (Deuteronomy 6:4), and it shows the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit working together as one God (Matthew 28:19), but it doesn’t label Him with philosophical terms.

So while you’re right to affirm Jesus’ deity, it’s important we use the words God gave us in His Word, not ideas added later by creeds or traditions. The Bible is clear and complete.

I think is okay to say the God/man has a dual nature. We have a dual nature, spirit and flesh. God (1) became flesh (1) and dwelt among us. However His flesh was without sin. His flesh died and rose, so He is still the God/man. When we see him in heaven, He will appear as a man, yet His spiritual brilliance will emcompass His appearance. The Father however does not have this dual nature. As we look at Him, we will not see a figure of a man, nor does the Holy Spirit appear in the shape of a man.

 

[pandaflower]

Yes @pandaflower , he's definitely a TROLL.

This is what a Troll looked like in my childhood days...

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You'd think after Jaybird being here 9 years they'd have learned something.

I ignore them now. Life is too precious to feed real life Trolls.

 

[jaybird]

you guys are so weird, i wonder if you guys act like this in the real world when someone questions you
"hey you cant put unleaded in that tank it takes diesel"
response - "read you bible"

 

[jaybird]

Acts 7 55
But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

another one of those problem passages for the trins. Stephen looks into the heavens and he sees two beings, only one being is called G-D. also according to trinity logic Jesus or G-D sits at their own right hand. how does that even work?
but of course you bring this problem to a trin and they respond with "your a troll" or "read your bible" which makes no sense and sounds like its right out of some weird brainwashed cult.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Acts 7 55
But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

another one of those problem passages for the trins. Stephen looks into the heavens and he sees two beings, only one being is called G-D. also according to trinity logic Jesus or G-D sits at their own right hand. how does that even work?
but of course you bring this problem to a trin and they respond with "your a troll" or "read your bible" which makes no sense and sounds like its right out of some weird brainwashed cult.

Jesus is the creator.
Jesus is God
The father is God
The Holy Spirit is God.

Jesus became man
He never stopped being God.
God is plurality.
" ..let us Make man an our image"

It had to be God on the cross.
The cross led to the grave.
The grave was where He resurrected.

The resurrection was WHY it had to be God as the sacrifice.
No other man could resurrect.
It HAD TO BE God in the cross.
It HAD TO BE Jesus

Those components and others make up the trinity.

The trinity is a string of facts.

Not to be unpacked by men's minds.
They are true.
So we believe them and take God at His word.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The book of Ruth is a key ingredient, that also points to the Christian foundation of Jesus. The Takeaway of the book of Ruth is the kinsman redeemer.
And we see the Gentile church, and the Jew, in redemption.

The dynamic of the Trinity is vast.
God is a God of purpose.
Innocent blood had to be invoked right away in God's created earth due to man's sin.

Jesus is that innocent blood that was pointed to in every sacrificed animal.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The dynamic of the Trinity is vast.

Unknowable

 

[jaybird]

Jesus is the creator.
Jesus is God
...

you ignored the acts passage i posted, why is that?

 

[jaybird]

Mark 12 is another passage that proves the trinity is nonsense. Jesus and the scribe talking of the greatest commandment. the scribe says the Lord is "ONE" and Jesus agrees with the scribe. the scribe is a Jew with a Jewish understanding of "one" which means its a normal "one" not the trinity 3 in 1 definition. there is no trinity in Judaism. never has been
trins have no response to this, they will ignore it and generally just post some random passage that has nothing to do with anything in a desperate attempt to distract attention away from the passage they want to pretend does not exist.

 

[Pet]

No, this isn’t me being a “fan” of any particular translation; this is simply pointing out what God’s Word actually says. Micah 5: 2 says clearly that the “goings forth” of the Messiah, “have been from of old, from everlasting.” His going forth from the Father did not start in Bethlehem, because His going forth has been from eternity. That is what the text says. If Jesus only began to exist at His birth, then He did not come forth from the Father before He was born. But He Himself said, “Before Abraham was, I am” (John 8: 58), which is the same name by which God revealed Himself to Moses in Exodus 3:14. John 1: 1–3 says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… by Him all things were made.” He is the uncreated Creator, and John 1:14, Philippians 2:6–7, tells us that the Son of God did not start to exist at His birth. He came from eternity into the world in order to save sinners. Whether you read the KJV, ESV, or some other translation that is faithful to the original languages, the facts do not change. Jesus is eternal.

Yes, thanks for that

 

[Pet]

so are you guys like shills or bots, because you guys will not engage in anything, you make a statement, anything anyone says you guys ignore it and respond with things like Jesus loves you or read your bible.

are there not any real people here anymore?

Nanu nanu ;)

 

[jaybird]

Nanu nanu ;)

dont drink the koolaid . . . to late lol

 

[Davy]

I think is okay to say the God/man has a dual nature. We have a dual nature, spirit and flesh. God (1) became flesh (1) and dwelt among us. However His flesh was without sin. His flesh died and rose, so He is still the God/man. When we see him in heaven, He will appear as a man, yet His spiritual brilliance will emcompass His appearance.

Yes, Lord Jesus' flesh body was raised from the dead, but... many forget what Peter said in 1 Peter 3 about Christ's flesh body being "quickened" to a "spirit"...

1 Peter 3:18-19
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
KJV

That first phrase, "but quickened by the Spirit" goes with that latter phrase, "By which" in verse 19. They really should not have been separated. It should read 'put to death in the flesh, but it was quickened by the Spirit, by which also He went and preached to the dead spirits in prison.' In other words, Lord Jesus' flesh body was transfigured to a spiritual body, which is the type body of the Heavenly dimension. This is why Apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:50 that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither does corruption (flesh) inherit incorruption (glorious body).

And the 1 Peter 4:5-6 Scripture proves that the "spirits in prison" Jesus preached to was about His preaching The Gospel to those who had died back to Noah.

1 Cor 15:45
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
KJV

That word "quickening" is the same Greek word used in 1 Peter 3:18 above. Thus it is not... about His flesh body simply being made alive again, but instead His flesh body actually was transfigured or changed to a spirit body.

This specific Truth is also revealed in the Acts 2:31 verse:

Acts 2:31
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.
KJV

Lord Jesus' flesh body did not see corruption like our flesh does in the casket or tomb. Jesus' flesh body instead was "quickened"... to a Heavenly type body, and it retained the marks of His crucifixion even though no longer a flesh body.

The Father however does not have this dual nature. As we look at Him, we will not see a figure of a man, nor does the Holy Spirit appear in the shape of a man.

The image of 'man' actually originates from The Father. That was revealed early in God's Word in Genesis 1:26-27 when He said Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness. So The Father definitely DOES... have an outward image likeness, and it is the image of man that He looks like.

The erroneous ideas that God has no specific outward image likeness, and exists in all things, is actually an idea from paganism. It's called Pantheism.

 

[rebuilder 454]

you ignored the acts passage i posted, why is that?

The plurality answers that dynamic...which I covered

 

[jaybird]

The plurality answers that dynamic...which I covered

no the passage does not mention plural beings, it says one being is Jesus, and one being is the Most High.

are you saying Stephen saw 4 beings in the heavens? 2 Jesus and 2 G-D? ohh boy . .

this is why the church burned people alive because these doctrines do not hold water when put to the test. burning people alive was the only way, the church had to scare people with the threat of death to make the doctrine work.
Jesus and the 12 didnt burn people alive.