Daniel 11 What verse does the end time kick in?

[Davy]

OK. I am not really all that informed on tariff world financial matters. I do know an ignorant lying bully when I see one though.

Sticks n' stones, your name-calling is CHILDISH, A SIGN OF IMMATURITY.

Oh, and I noticed you listed Canada as your country!

I love the peoples of our neighbor Canada, but I do not love its government's SOCIALIST LIBERAL LEFTIST POLICIES, no more than I do by our own U.S. Democrat Party which has turned mostly SOCIALIST-COMMUNIST.

Leftist-Communism is a mental disease.

It is obvious even to many of the U.S. people who once sided with the Democrat's Leftist-Socialist policies of free trade agreements like NAFTA, CAFTA, etc., moving the manufacturing base of the United States overseas, that they were left out in the cold, so to speak economically. So when they got the chance to vote OUT those Leftist-Socialists out of government, and instead elect some 'true' Americans that show sanity and a love for the actual American people, they took ACTION and elected Donal Trump again for President of The United States of America! And it was such a one-sided vote for Trump that it simply revealed how even MANY that had once stood with the Democrat Socialists woke up to the fact that the Democrat-Socialists were not working in their favor.

Common sense in the United States took over.

And when the World-Socialists try to bring in their "New World Order" over the United States, you and Socialist countries like Canada and Great Britain will discover that the American people will use common sense once again, and just will NOT stand for it.

 

[dad]

Sticks n' stones, your name-calling is CHILDISH, A SIGN OF IMMATURITY.

It was gentle truth actually. Very gentle.

Oh, and I noticed you listed Canada as your country!

Right. I think they still exist

I love the peoples of our neighbor Canada, but I do not love its government's SOCIALIST LIBERAL LEFTIST POLICIES, no more than I do by our own U.S. Democrat Party which has turned mostly SOCIALIST-COMMUNIST.

Depraved perverts and liars, sad to say. Once again, that is the very gentle version

Leftist-Communism is a mental disease.

Sin is the disease

It is obvious even to many of the U.S. people who once sided with the Democrat's Leftist-Socialist policies of free trade agreements like NAFTA, CAFTA, etc., moving the manufacturing base of the United States overseas, that they were left out in the cold, so to speak economically. So when they got the chance to vote OUT those Leftist-Socialists out of government, and instead elect some 'true' Americans that show sanity and a love for the actual American people, they took ACTION and elected Donal Trump again for President of The United States of America!

I guess the people of Gaza would see it another way since he supports the terrorism and genocide there. Maybe the homeless in DC night feel that Trump is not for them so much either. etc. Rather than spend on helping fix the problems Trump seems to feel they should all be in jail or something.

And it was such a one-sided vote for Trump that it simply revealed how even MANY that had once stood with the Democrat Socialists woke up to the fact that the Democrat-Socialists were not working in their favor.

As I said two sides of a bad coin

Common sense in the United States took over.

I hear they already bombed more than all of the previous regime's 4 years. Real common sense. They also treat their neighbors like doo doo

And when the World-Socialists try to bring in their "New World Order" over the United States, you and Socialist countries like Canada and Great Britain will discover that the American people will use common sense once again, and just will NOT stand for it.

Not like the poor guys have any say in the matter. The world is heading toward world gov't . Likey or lumpey. I would have wished for something else, but the bible is clear on what is coming.If you thought your warmonger de jour (Trump) was going to do anything but help that along it's way you were somewhat dazed and confused.

 

[Davy]

Depraved perverts and liars, sad to say. Once again, that is the very gentle version

So those who support personal liberty, free enterprise, and limited government, as opposed to Communist Socialism are "perverts and liars" according to you?

Lenin did say that Socialism is... Communism.

In Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley's 1960's book Tragedy And Hope, he said the New England "establishment" in the U.S. often work WITH Communism, and have no problem doing so. That group Quigley called "the establishment" represents the BRITISH Round Table Group that created Socialist government in Great Britain and in Canada, AND... an American branch called the Council On Foreign Relations (CFR). Their policies have been to erode U.S. soveriengty and the U.S. Constitution. Quigley himself was an "insider", and said he had been allowed to review the establishment's secret records of history for two years. He said he only did not agree with their wanting to keep their Socialist movement secret. Quigley was Bill Clinton's history professor, and Clinton endorsed Quigley in his inauguration speech.

Thus the REAL... "perverts and liars" have already been revealed, and it was a long time ago, even by their own like Carrol Quigley, simply because they are so pumped up as thinking they are the elites, that they want to be worshiped and desire recognition, and therefore are terrible at keeping secrets.

 

[dad]

So those who support personal liberty, free enterprise, and limited government, as opposed to Communist Socialism are "perverts and liars" according to you?

I was talking about the government in Canada whey they support perverted things and lie.

Lenin did say that Socialism is... Communism.

Maybe someone cares.

In Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley's 1960's book Tragedy And Hope, he said the New England "establishment" in the U.S. often work WITH Communism, and have no problem doing so. That group Quigley called "the establishment" represents the BRITISH Round Table Group that created Socialist government in Great Britain and in Canada, AND... an American branch called the Council On Foreign Relations (CFR). Their policies have been to erode U.S. soveriengty and the U.S. Constitution. Quigley himself was an "insider", and said he had been allowed to review the establishment's secret records of history for two years. He said he only did not agree with their wanting to keep their Socialist movement secret. Quigley was Bill Clinton's history professor, and Clinton endorsed Quigley in his inauguration speech.

As hard done by as you think the US may be, the US is no saint.

 

[Davy]

I was talking about the government in Canada whey they support perverted things and lie.

By that you are only pointing out the difference between the government of Canada vs. the government of the United States. 'We the People' are the actual government of the United States of America. That's why conservative Donald Trump got voted in as U.S. President by the 'people' and not by party moguls.

And here's another thing. The historical origin of the political ideas of Liberal and Conservative was an offshoot of the French Revolution. The revolutionists in France used the word 'liberty' as one of their political watchwords. Then those in Britain, in order to counter French revolutionist's Libertine notions, the Brits came up with the idea of the policital Conservative. So what happened, because today the Socialist governments of Britain and its commonwealth nations have mostly moved away from Conservative.

The Liberal-Leftists controlled "establishment" in the U.S. also tried to force Socialism upon the American people, and that is another reason the majority of Americans elected conservative Donald Trump, as he well understands this difference too. The American people also elected a conservative majority in U.S. Congress and the Senate. And as members of Trump's staff have said "the American people have spoken" regarding these elections, that is very true.

So when you look to blame the U.S., you need to learn to be more selective where to place that blame, because you show your own ignorance of the situation if you blame the American people for the Socialist "establishment" goals ASSOCIATED WITH THE BRITISH SOCIALISTS IN GREAT BRITAIN.

 

[dad]

By that you are only pointing out the difference between the government of Canada vs. the government of the United States. 'We the People' are the actual government of the United States of America. That's why conservative Donald Trump got voted in as U.S. President by the 'people' and not by party moguls.

Yes, there are differences in nations. As for the USA if you want to blame the warmongering on 'the people' fine.

And here's another thing. The historical origin of the political ideas of Liberal and Conservative was an offshoot of the French Revolution. The revolutionists in France used the word 'liberty' as one of their political watchwords. Then those in Britain, in order to counter French revolutionist's Libertine notions, the Brits came up with the idea of the policital Conservative. So what happened, because today the Socialist governments of Britain and its commonwealth nations have mostly moved away from Conservative.

Who cares if the lean more towards teedley dee or tweedly dum?

The Liberal-Leftists controlled "establishment" in the U.S. also tried to force Socialism upon the American people, and that is another reason the majority of Americans elected conservative Donald Trump, as he well understands this difference too. The American people also elected a conservative majority in U.S. Congress and the Senate. And as members of Trump's staff have said "the American people have spoken" regarding these elections, that is very true.

You are still apparently under some illusion that left or right makes some big difference.

So when you look to blame the U.S., you need to learn to be more selective where to place that blame, because you show your own ignorance of the situation if you blame the American people for the Socialist "establishment" goals ASSOCIATED WITH THE BRITISH SOCIALISTS IN GREAT BRITAIN.

No. I do not need anything like that. The actions speak for themselves. Warmongers get no kid glove touchy feely deference from me thank you very much

 

[Davy]

Yes, there are differences in nations. As for the USA if you want to blame the warmongering on 'the people' fine.

You say that while being from Canada, a BRITISH CONTROLLED nation under authority of the BRITISH CROWN? Should I even mention the "warmongering" that Great Britain has been guilty of throughout its history?? Even the Fabian Socialists in Great Britain that have basically taken over the country are followers of Cecil Rhodes and his vanity that Great Britain represents the MASTER RACE and nation that should control all other nations!

Who cares if the lean more towards teedley dee or tweedly dum?

That's illiterate.

You are still apparently under some illusion that left or right makes some big difference.

Lord Jesus said to fish out of the RIGHT SIDE of the boat.

No. I do not need anything like that. The actions speak for themselves. Warmongers get no kid glove touchy feely deference from me thank you very much

Thus continues your false illusions about history, and the United States of America.

 

[dad]

You say that while being from Canada, a BRITISH CONTROLLED nation under authority of the BRITISH CROWN? Should I even mention the "warmongering" that Great Britain has been guilty of throughout its history??

Too bad they never asked me. In your case however you suggest the people of the USA are responsible wholeheartedly

Even the Fabian Socialists in Great Britain that have basically taken over the country are followers of Cecil Rhodes and his vanity that Great Britain represents the MASTER RACE and nation that should control all other nations!

That nation fell. At one time, they were responsible for getting gospel all over the world. I guess God can even use nations that are mostly vile for His glory. Then they forsook Him and were relegated to the has been sandbox to play.

That's illiterate.

Yet the point was clear. Both the left and right are sides of the same coin

Lord Jesus said to fish out of the RIGHT SIDE of the boat.

Yes, because He was sending fish there. If you seriously took that to mean that He was promoting right wing governments, you need help

Thus continues your false illusions about history, and the United States of America.

There is no illusion about how the US has warmongered. Be honest

 

[Davy]

Too bad they never asked me. In your case however you suggest the people of the USA are responsible wholeheartedly

I don't know where... in the world you get that above idea, especially that latter underlined part.

If you understood God's Word, then you would have at least some... kind of idea about God's Hand in the establishing of nations like Great Britain and the United States of America. But it's obvious you instead get your information from Leftist-Socialist-Liberals and their Communist allies.

 

[dad]

I don't know where... in the world you get that above idea, especially that latter underlined part.

You said that, unlike Canada, in the USA the people are the government and responsible.

If you understood God's Word, then you would have at least some... kind of idea about God's Hand in the establishing of nations like Great Britain and the United States of America. But it's obvious you instead get your information from Leftist-Socialist-Liberals and their Communist allies.

You should know that after they reject Him, things change.

 

[Davy]

You said that, unlike Canada, in the USA the people are the government and responsible.

I never said your idea of "responsible". That's YOUR addition, and a show of your ignorance about the United States Constitution. "We The People..." is an initial phrase of the U.S. Constitution called the Preamble...

The Preamble​

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/preamble/

Your nation Canada does not have that kind of document. Canada is under the authority of king Charles and Canada's parliment system. King Charles acts in place of "We the People...". The declaration documents of the United States founders provided in the U.S. Constitution the power for the people to remove... any tyranical government. Our Federal government has limited powers because of our Constitution. Your Canada cannot remove your king/queen of Britain that is in ultimate authority over the British Commonwealth citizens.

You should know that after they reject Him, things change.

Do you really think I do not know what God warned Israel early in their history when they saw the nations around them had kings upon thrones, and they didn't, so they wanted God to give them a flesh king when He was their King, and He warned them what would happen with a flesh king? I'd say you are the one who never bothered to read about that from The Old Testament.

God ordained the nations of Great Britain and the United States of America. His Hand was all in their establishing, and still is today. Even though Socialists-Communists have pretty much taken over the Democrat Party, the American people have for quite a while now waken up to what Leftist-Socialism is actually about with attempt to take over the peoples of the United States. Still a lot to do, but Trump is doing what is needed to correct the situation, and the majority of the American people are behind him.

And included in Trump's actions is correcting this little thing called the Fentanyl illegal drug that Canada has been allowing drug cartels to push crossing the Canadian/U.S. border, which drug has caused over 300,000 deaths in the U.S. the last five years. Trump has threated Canada with sanctions because of their actions. So before you go trying... to point your finger at the U.S., there's actually four fingers pointing back at yourself and your Leftist-liberal government.

 

[dad]

I never said your idea of "responsible". That's YOUR addition, and a show of your ignorance about the United States Constitution. "We The People..." is an initial phrase of the U.S. Constitution called the Preamble...

I know. Are you then saying that the people are responsible and agree with the warmongering or not?

Your nation Canada does not have that kind of document. Canada is under the authority of king Charles and Canada's parliment system. King Charles acts in place of "We the People...". The declaration documents of the United States founders provided in the U.S. Constitution the power for the people to remove... any tyranical government. Our Federal government has limited powers because of our Constitution. Your Canada cannot remove your king/queen of Britain that is in ultimate authority over the British Commonwealth citizens.

I know. Canada has a different set of sins and problems.

Do you really think I do not know what God warned Israel early in their history when they saw the nations around them had kings upon thrones, and they didn't, so they wanted God to give them a flesh king when He was their King, and He warned them what would happen with a flesh king? I'd say you are the one who never bothered to read about that from The Old Testament.

If you do then..?

God ordained the nations of Great Britain and the United States of America. His Hand was all in their establishing, and still is today. Even though Socialists-Communists have pretty much taken over the Democrat Party, the American people have for quite a while now waken up to what Leftist-Socialism is actually about with attempt to take over the peoples of the United States. Still a lot to do, but Trump is doing what is needed to correct the situation, and the majority of the American people are behind him.

Correcting should include being civilized, true to your word etc. Looking at the homeless in DC, I notice that he seems more interested in accusing and banishing people than addressing the poverty, overpriced real estate etc etc

And included in Trump's actions is correcting this little thing called the Fentanyl illegal drug that Canada has been allowing drug cartels to push crossing the Canadian/U.S. border, which drug has caused over 300,000 deaths in the U.S. the last five years. Trump has threated Canada with sanctions because of their actions. So before you go trying... to point your finger at the U.S., there's actually four fingers pointing back at yourself and your Leftist-liberal government.

Prove it? A quick search showed other opinions example:
"There are far more drugs flowing into Canada from the US than in the other direction, particularly methamphetamine, cocaine and fentanyl. Illicit firearms are also an issue of concern, as a surge in gun crime in Canada in recent years has been linked to the smuggling of US weapons across the northern border" How fentanyl has poisoned relations between the US and Canada

If a neighor down the street accused you of having a house full of hard drugs, I would think we should see some evidence, rather than just talk?

 

[Wish-it]

You may have gotten your "future" viewpoint from the prevalence of futurists in your experience. If you had developed your view of these passages from scholars of the past, and even some today, you would likely have seen so much of the "past" in these prophecies. After all, Bible Prophecy covers a range of events--not just our future, or "the end."

What would be the value of Bible Prophecy covering so much of "the end?" How is that going to help previous generations who have had to experience great distress and the seeming loss of their hope? The "end" of time sets our sites on our ultimate goal, but does little to help us witih "now," or in understanding how God has helped His People ini the past.

But by all means, read things the best you can. The Holy Spirit is here to help.

I have never meet or had contact with any futurists, quite the opposite in fact, most commentators I used to hear were more historist in their thinking.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Okay.

 

[Davy]

I know. Are you then saying that the people are responsible and agree with the warmongering or not?

No, of course not.

What the American people agree on, is that your government of Canada is on a SOCIALIST bent, which type of system is against our U.S. Constitution, of which our Preamble shows that difference.

Thus your crazy... idea that everything a government does all the people under it are responsible for is just stupid and ludicrous. It only shows you have run out of ammo for your argument.

 

[Davy]

I know. Are you then saying that the people are responsible and agree with the warmongering or not?

I know. Canada has a different set of sins and problems.

If you do then..?

Correcting should include being civilized, true to your word etc. Looking at the homeless in DC, I notice that he seems more interested in accusing and banishing people than addressing the poverty, overpriced real estate etc etc

Prove it? A quick search showed other opinions example:
"There are far more drugs flowing into Canada from the US than in the other direction, particularly methamphetamine, cocaine and fentanyl. Illicit firearms are also an issue of concern, as a surge in gun crime in Canada in recent years has been linked to the smuggling of US weapons across the northern border" How fentanyl has poisoned relations between the US and Canada

If a neighor down the street accused you of having a house full of hard drugs, I would think we should see some evidence, rather than just talk?

Just face it, you don't really have a clue as to what you are talking about. You even said so yourself pretty much when you admitted not knowing much about tariffs and world affairs.

And political parties change all the time, so we as Christians are not to rely on them either. We are to trust in God and His principles per His Word, in righteousness, in fairness, seek peace, protect those who cannot protect themselves, and support freedom and God-given rights.

And right now, today, in the U.S., Donald Trump's foreign affairs policies are dealing in fairness with the nations, when those nations have been taking unfair advantage of the American people because the past Leftist-Socialist-Liberal U.S. administrations allowing it, both Democrat and Republican. I know this not just by the foreign affairs moves in Free Trade in the past only, like NAFTA, GATT, etc., but I've lived in Europe for several years and witnessed first hand what many Europeans think of the people of the United States. They put us in the category of rich little spoiled children, and that even after the U.S. bailed Europe out more than once during WWI and WWII sacrificing American soldiers for their benefit.

 

[dad]

No, of course not.

So it is not run by the people after all, despite you quoting dome old document, OK.

What the American people agree on, is that your government of Canada is on a SOCIALIST bent, which type of system is against our U.S. Constitution, of which our Preamble shows that difference.

And they are correct in large part. Too bad they try to punish we the people and leave the strange despots alone eh? In fact some people suspect that the US agitates separation for possible gain. It does seem true that the president has insultingly proclaimed that they should give up the ghost and be assimilated.

Thus your crazy... idea that everything a government does all the people under it are responsible for is just stupid and ludicrous.

Not my idea at all, that was you that said the people were the government. Now you backpeddle. Ha

It only shows you have run out of ammo for your argument.

No, it shows that your goal post shifting failed

 

[dad]

Just face it, you don't really have a clue as to what you are talking about.

False. It is obvious the US has warmongered like a mad bangee and that they bully and disrespect neighbors. They also cheerlead and supply the terrorism inflicted on Gaza

You even said so yourself pretty much when you admitted not knowing much about tariffs and world affairs.

Not knowing the intricacies of tariffs does not mean we don't know bullies and warmongers when we see them. You act as if all the US was doing was trying to defend themselves respectfully. Ha

And political parties change all the time, so we as Christians are not to rely on them either.

That is supposed to be news?

We are to trust in God and His principles per His Word, in righteousness, in fairness, seek peace, protect those who cannot protect themselves, and support freedom and God-given rights.

His principles are to let the oppressed go free, and help the fatherless and widows etc. Not to starve and mass murder them. His principles are do to others as you wish they would do to you, and love your neighbors!

And right now, today, in the U.S., Donald Trump's foreign affairs policies are dealing in fairness with the nations, when those nations have been taking unfair advantage of the American people because the past Leftist-Socialist-Liberal

Does that mean that being fair involves tearing up agreements in place and threatening etc? The US said it 'needs' Greenland. Does that mean it can just take whatever nations it 'needs'?

U.S. administrations allowing it, both Democrat and Republican. I know this not just by the foreign affairs moves in Free Trade in the past only, like NAFTA, GATT, etc., but I've lived in Europe for several years and witnessed first hand what many Europeans think of the people of the United States.

And never asked why??

They put us in the category of rich little spoiled children, and that even after the U.S. bailed Europe out more than once during WWI and WWII sacrificing American soldiers for their benefit.

And Canadian soldiers etc etc etc. try to remember there are many countries in this big world. Not just one fat country in the middle eating ice cream burgers and french fries.

 

[Davy]

So it is not run by the people after all, despite you quoting dome old document, OK.

Yes the United States is... empowered by "We the people...". It's apparently your narrow vision preventing you from recognizing the changes the Trump administration is correcting that several of the previous government administrations allowed. You're not keeping up, and that's why now you are only trying to play your blame game because your argument has run out of valid substance.

 

[Davy]

False. It is obvious the US has warmongered like a mad bangee and that they bully and disrespect neighbors. They also cheerlead and supply the terrorism inflicted on Gaza

NO... Russia and Red China are the main suppliers of the Islamic terrorists against the nation of Israel. Your Socialist-Leftist government has been telling lies to you.

Now Biden, that's another story. Who knows what really goes on inside his mind; it's already been proven through the Auto-pen fiasco that he wasn't the one making a lot of the decisions during his Presidency because of his mental state. And that's fine evidently for many of the Leftist-Democrats who side with nations like Russia and Red China. It isn't fine to the majority of the American people though, which is why the majority voted Donald Trump and a Republican majority in office (even though there exists fence-riders in the Republican Party also.)