Jesus is God

[jaybird]

Where does it state this?
Please post the verses.

what are you talking about? the original post you quoted was exactly that. it would do zero good to post it because you guys would just ignore it. Jesus says over and over that He comes in the name of His Father, how in the world would you not know that, are you new to Christianity?

Jesus does NOT CHANGE back to God.

At that moment, the Father was greater than Jesus.

He always was God and will always be God.

at one moment the Father is greater, the next moment they are equal. and then you say Jesus does not change. do i really have to explain the problem with this?

 

[Taken]

It also says he was "slain from the foundation of the world"
That alone makes logic and the bible at odds.

Yes…if understanding is confusing.

Killing Gods Word…Means:

* Thinking / Speaking Against Gods Word making Gods Word a Lie.

* Also Killing the Body God Prepared For His Word When God Sent His Word into the World in the likeness as a Man.

The reference to the Word of God being Killed at the foundation of the world…
Is:
Jesus…a Spirit early reference called a morning star…
And
Lucifer…a Spirit early reference called a morning star…

Both were singing as the Foundation of the earth was being created.

Lucifer … thought he could Rise Above God, and Be the high authority over Heaven and Earth.

His thoughts were detected by God, and his punishment followed thereafter.

Lucifer’s estate changed, from heaven to Earth.
His name changed, from Lucifer to Satan.
His status changed, from holy to evil.
His reputation became, First Liar, First Murderer, First to Fall from Faith, First to Draw other holy angels Away from God, (they collectively called Devils) First to receive Gods Negative Consequence for Standing Against God.

Side note-
add an “o” to God= Good.
add a “d” to evil= devil.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

what are you talking about? the original post you quoted was exactly that. it would do zero good to post it because you guys would just ignore it. Jesus says over and over that He comes in the name of His Father, how in the world would you not know that, are you new to Christianity?

Jesus… ON Earth…is ON Gods Footstool…
God … in Heaven…IS IN Gods Kingdom.
Gods … Heaven IS Gods Throne.
Gods Estate, where no man can go…IS ABOVE the Heavens
Jesus said “His” Kingdom was not of “this World” ( Earth. )
Jesus likened Himself, coming to Earth, as a long journey, then returning home (to His Kingdom).

at one moment the Father is greater, the next moment they are equal. and then you say Jesus does not change. do i really have to explain the problem with this?

God serves Himself…same as men in His likeness do.
Sometimes the head of household, Sometimes the spouses helper, sometimes crawling on floor playing with a silly ignorant child.
Each title or name parallels with the individual.
(Mr., husband, dad, son…
(LORD, Lord, Teacher, Priest, etc.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

what are you talking about? the original post you quoted was exactly that. it would do zero good to post it because you guys would just ignore it. Jesus says over and over that He comes in the name of His Father, how in the world would you not know that, are you new to Christianity?





at one moment the Father is greater, the next moment they are equal. and then you say Jesus does not change. do i really have to explain the problem with this?

Yes. You do.
Or this discussion is over.

Please see post no. 160 where you stated this:
Jesus is saying He (Jesus) does not speak on His own authority but the authority of G-D, and G-D does not need authority from anyone.

Now,,,,I asked to please show WHERE Jesus states this.
You're reply is what am I talking about?

I'm talking about posting what YOU believe to be true.
WHERE does Jesus state that authority has been given to Him?

NOT in the verse YOU posted.

It was John 12:49 BTW.....
here it is again:

"For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.

 

[Gary Mac]

what are you talking about? the original post you quoted was exactly that. it would do zero good to post it because you guys would just ignore it. Jesus says over and over that He comes in the name of His Father, how in the world would you not know that, are you new to Christianity?

They have no intent in listening to Jesus in who he said he was in God. They read what I am about to quote of Jesus then are actually calling him a liar even though he was very clear that he was not. They read and ignore who Jesus said he was in God. And here is what he said about that very thing.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

at one moment the Father is greater, the next moment they are equal. and then you say Jesus does not change. do i really have to explain the problem with this?

Jesus changed dramatically when he was about 30 years old when he met God in Matt 3:16 Changed his whole life and because he did it became a living hell for his mortal body because of mans doctrines who falsely accusing him of being God, but was heaven in his spiritual man. Jesus was innocent of all those false charges. Ironic is they still falsely accuse him of being God in this very forum even though he was very clear that he was not in who he said he was in God above. They do not listen to Jesus at all just as the Jews of Jesus day didnt either.

 

[GodsGrace]

what are you talking about? the original post you quoted was exactly that. it would do zero good to post it because you guys

Who is YOU GUYS?
You mean Christians?
Yes. Christians believe Jesus is §God.
Christians believe in the Trinity.

YOU don't have to be Christian...
but why does this interest you so much?

Since you won't spell God, I have to think you're Jewish.

Jesus is all over the OT.
You just refuse to see it.

 

[Davy]

not trinitarians, they think there are two definitions of one

Judaism, which rejects any... idea that The Godhead is 3 Persons as ONE, is responsible for many denying Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ - Messiah.

The religion of Judaism does NOT keep strictly to The Old Testament Scriptures as written, but instead they follow the traditions of their Jewish sages via their book called the Babylonian Talmud, which was compiled during their captivity in Babylon.

The reason why Orthodox Judaism does NOT keep to everything written in The Old Testament is because of the very thing that Lord Jesus Christ questioned them about, who is The Christ. Whom was The Father speaking to when He called Him God?

Heb 1:8
8 But unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom."
KJV

Hebrews 1:8 is a quote from Psalms 45...

Ps 45:6
6 "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre."
KJV


The following IS... about Jesus Christ, as the promised "throne of David" is promised ONLY to Jesus Christ at His future 2nd coming:

Isa 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
KJV

Jer 23:5-6
5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE Lord OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
KJV


Acts 2:29-36
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, "The Lord said unto my Lord, 'Sit Thou on My right hand,
35 Until I make Thy foes thy footstool."
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, Whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
KJV


The following is a quote from Isaiah about "Immanuel"...

Matt 1:21-23
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel', which being interpreted is, 'God with us.'"
KJV

The following is Jesus quoting David from Psalms 110...

Matt 22:41-45
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, "What think ye of Christ? whose son is He?" They say unto Him, "The Son of David."
43 He saith unto them, "How then doth David in spirit call Him Lord, saying,
44 'The LORD said unto my Lord, 'Sit Thou on My right hand, till I make Thine enemies Thy footstool?'
45 If David then call Him Lord, how is He his son?"
KJV

 

[Treeline]

I'm still puzzled..
When Jesus asked the disciples who they thought he was, Simon Peter answered-
“You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.' Jesus replied “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

So if Jesus was God himself, why didn't he say to Peter -"You're wrong, I'm not God's son, I AM God".

 

[jaybird]

Who is YOU GUYS?
You mean Christians?

you and a few others i have tried to talk to, all use the same tactic to prove your argument, you ignore anything that says different

Yes. Christians believe Jesus is §God.
Christians believe in the Trinity.

not what i asked
again, 2nd attempt, where in the bible does it say Christians have to follow trinity?

YOU don't have to be Christian...
but why does this interest you so much?

why do you think this matters? but i will be happy to tell you if you answer a simple question
Jesus taught the Lord is one. if i am Jewish, Catholic, JW or Coptic, please explain how that changes what Jesus taught

Since you won't spell God, I have to think you're Jewish.

Jesus is all over the OT.
You just refuse to see it.

I prefer not to use the Lords name for my personal discussions, i believe His name is holy and not for ones personal vanity.

 

[jaybird]

I'm still puzzled..
When Jesus asked the disciples who they thought he was, Simon Peter answered-
“You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.' Jesus replied “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

So if Jesus was God himself, why didn't he say to Peter -"You're wrong, I'm not God's son, I AM God".

a lot of trins have taken the term son of the Most High and redefined it to mean Most High. thats why its confusing

 

[jaybird]

Judaism, which rejects any... idea that The Godhead is 3 Persons as ONE, is responsible for many denying Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ - Messiah.

The religion of Judaism does NOT keep strictly to The Old Testament Scriptures as written, but instead they follow the traditions of their Jewish sages via their book called the Babylonian Talmud, which was compiled during their captivity in Babylon.

The reason why Orthodox Judaism does NOT keep to everything written in The Old Testament is because of the very thing that Lord Jesus Christ questioned them about, who is The Christ. Whom was The Father speaking to when He called Him God?

Heb 1:8
8 But unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom."
KJV

Hebrews 1:8 is a quote from Psalms 45...

Ps 45:6
6 "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre."
KJV


The following IS... about Jesus Christ, as the promised "throne of David" is promised ONLY to Jesus Christ at His future 2nd coming:

Isa 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
KJV

Jer 23:5-6
5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE Lord OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
KJV


Acts 2:29-36
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, "The Lord said unto my Lord, 'Sit Thou on My right hand,
35 Until I make Thy foes thy footstool."
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, Whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
KJV


The following is a quote from Isaiah about "Immanuel"...

Matt 1:21-23
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel', which being interpreted is, 'God with us.'"
KJV

The following is Jesus quoting David from Psalms 110...

Matt 22:41-45
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, "What think ye of Christ? whose son is He?" They say unto Him, "The Son of David."
43 He saith unto them, "How then doth David in spirit call Him Lord, saying,
44 'The LORD said unto my Lord, 'Sit Thou on My right hand, till I make Thine enemies Thy footstool?'
45 If David then call Him Lord, how is He his son?"
KJV

Jesus and the 12 were all practicing Jews

 

[Davy]

I'm still puzzled..
When Jesus asked the disciples who they thought he was, Simon Peter answered-
“You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.' Jesus replied “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

So if Jesus was God himself, why didn't he say to Peter -"You're wrong, I'm not God's son, I AM God".

Also at the end of John 8 when Jesus said that Abraham saw His day, and was glad, IF... Lord Jesus was not God with us on earth, He would have never said there, "... Before Abraham was, I AM."

 

[Davy]

Jesus and the 12 were all practicing Jews

Which also meant that they LOOKED for The Messiah prophesied by the Old Testament prophets, including The One Whom David prophesied of, as David also was a prophet!

Isa 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
KJV


Those in Christ that actually study... ALL.... their Bible understand the Orthodox Jew's problem that exists somewhat hidden among them. The Jew's religion is controlled by 'crept in unawares' that sneaked in throughout Judah's history. Lot of them aren't even flesh born Israel, but instead are foreigners descended from the Canaanites. This is why God showed His prophet Jeremiah 2 baskets of figs about the people that would return to Jerusalem with Judah at the end of this present world, with one basket being made up of 'evil' figs (Jer.24).

Christ's Apostles obviously had a DIFFERENT understanding about MESSIAH than the controlling foreigners over Judaism at the time. Peter undoubtedly did, as he rightly declared Jesus of Nazareth as The Son of God.

Thus your false statement that all of Christ's Apostles were "practicing Jews" is actually an OXYMORON type statement, because if that were true, they would have followed what the BLIND PHARISEES believed about Jesus.

 

[GodsGrace]

Good is only the enemy of the best.

If Jesus was God as you say, can you tell us who this was that Jesus spoke of that he could do nothing at all without? Looks to me Jesus could do noting at all without his God that he prayed to and obeyed.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Another member also posted this.
Jesus came here to reveal God Father to mankind.
Jesus is following the command of God Father.
If you could explain the problem better, it would be helpful.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

Thanks for a good supporting verse...
Yes. Agreed. Believing in God Father and believing in God Son is exactly the same....
the person that sees Jesus sees God who sent Him because they are one and the same BEING.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 7:14-18
14But when it was now the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and began to teach.
15The Jews then were astonished, saying, “How has this man become learned, having never been educated?”
16So Jesus answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
17“If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself.
18“He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.

Yes. Jesus came to reveal the Father...to teach us what the Father wants us to know.
Jesus was not teaching doctrine that HE had invented....but the teachings of the Father.
Jesus was not educated by man...but of the Father...verse 15

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Who will be the judge of mankind?
Only God can judge man.

Since Jesus will be judging mankind...He must surely be God.

John 5:22
22For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,

2 Timothy 4:1
1I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead,

2 Corinthians 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body,

and more...

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

WHEN did Jesus SEE the FATHER DO something???

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Jesus came down from heaven.

Has any MAN COME DOWN from heaven?

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

Yes Sir.
This is certainly true.

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Please read all of chapter 16....
Verse 3 states that neither the Father, nor Jesus were known. Jesus puts Himself on the same par with Father.

Verse 7 states that Jesus will send THE HELPER. So now we have FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT.

The HELPER will be sent.
Who will convict the world.

That's the Trinity right there.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Yes. Right. Just explained above.
Thanks for helping me to explain the Trinity.

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Not relevant, unless you could explain how.
We know that the world will not receive the Holy Spirit.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

You're getting desperate Gary.
This is irrelevant unless you could explain how it has anything to do with the divinity of Jesus.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

You think that YOU and I are one
just as Father and Jesus are one?

We would, at the very least, be agreeing with each just as Jesus and Father agree, by the very scripture
YOU have posted above.

Every man that ever lived, son of man, made of a woman lived on this earth. Are you suggesting that you are not made of a woman as Jesus was as son of man?


Yes Jesus didnt even know who God is or his heaven until God came to that man and open in him who He is and all of His heaven in that man. Proven in Matt 3:16.


Jesus wasnt with God from the beginning, he was about 30 years old when he met God in Matt 3;16.


No Jesus came as a messenger of God to teach you what it is to be in the Fatrher yourself just as he was in the Father, and even prayed to hi God for you to be in John 17, He in you and you in Him as one just as Jesus was one in Him.


You do if God is your own spirit of mind and you would walk in it as He walks in it and nothing is hidden that was hidden. He opens all of His heaven in all who will let Him.


SO are we all who has the mind of Christ, anointed of God. Christ in us. Christ = gods anointing, disposition, Spirit, mind in man. Jesus was also anointed of God.

The term Christ comes from the Greek word χριστός (chrīstós), meaning "anointed one". The word is derived from the Greek verb χρίω (chrī́ō), meaning "to anoint." In the Greek Septuagint, χριστός was a semantic loan used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed".

Paul came up with that term Christ at Antioch, before that in the old we who are anointed of Gods same Spirit of mind were referred to as Christos, saints.

The term saint is derived from the Latin word sanctus, meaning "holy" or "consecrated." This is, in turn, a direct translation of the Greek word "άγιος" (hagios), which also means "holy." In its original scriptural usage it simply means "holy" or "sanctified."




But we who God is come to are equal with Him. God is Love and man is the temple of Him. Love doesnt change from one person to the other, Love is the same in all who is actually of it that God is.

There is only one thing on this planet that is perfect and never changes, it is the same yesterday as it is today and will be the same tomorrow, and that is Love that God is and man is the place He resides, Jesus was very clear in that in Luke 17:20-21. Everything else changes, everything. And that is exactly why Jesus commanded of you to be perfect even as your fathe in Heaven is perfect.

Who is God? = For God is Love.

One you accept the trinity instead of God b in you, then you have rejected the Christ totally to be Gods anointed on your self, He in you and you in Him as one.

Again read John 17 Jesus prayer to his God that you be as well. You have complexity separated yourself from being that person of Christ that is anointed of God in favor of mans doctrines in ignorance of who God really is in man.

I don't respond to what you think.
Please post scripture for any point you wish to make.

I spend time replying to you...
I have just ONE QUESTION,,,,,
which I hope you'll be able to answer.


John 1:1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
14And the Word became flesh,


WHO or WHAT became flesh??

 

[GodsGrace]

you and a few others i have tried to talk to, all use the same tactic to prove your argument, you ignore anything that says different

It could be jaybird....because we all believe the same exact teachings of Jesus.
YOU also ignore what WE PEOPLE say.

Should a Jew know his religion?
Should a Muslim know his religion?
Why would a Christian not know his religion??

not what i asked
again, 2nd attempt, where in the bible does it say Christians have to follow trinity?

§Where in the bible does it say we DO NOT need to follow it's teachings?

As I've already stated...and which you may not have understood....
God as 3 PERSONS is all over the OT.
Was God ever seen in the OT?
No.
And yet He was.
Was He in the form of God §Father?
No.
Because God Father is pure spirit.
So the only explanation is that He was in the form of a man...a human.


Also, as I've stated...the Trinity took years to develop.
It was difficult to understand who Jesus was.
He seemed to be a human man.
But He had capacities such as God.
The sadducees believed Jesus proclaimed Himself to be God.
Jesus called Himself THE SON OF MAN...this come from a title from Daniel 7 and is also seen in §Revelation.


§Again...let me explain that to be defined as a Christian...
a person must believe what a Christian believes.

Christians believe that God is ONE BEING but has THREE PERSONS in this ONE BEING.
If someone does not believe this he should not be defining himself as a Christian.

Christianity was defined at the early church....it cannot be changed today.

why do you think this matters? but i will be happy to tell you if you answer a simple question
Jesus taught the Lord is one. if i am Jewish, Catholic, JW or Coptic, please explain how that changes what Jesus taught

Nothing you are changes what Jesus taught.
You could either accept it or not.
See also my reply above.

I prefer not to use the Lords name for my personal discussions, i believe His name is holy and not for ones personal vanity.

Fine.

Now I have a question for you:


John 1:1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
14And the Word became flesh,


WHO or WHAT became flesh??

 

[jaybird]

It could be jaybird....because we all believe the same exact teachings of Jesus.

if i believed something to be true i would be happy to defend the belief, rather than ignore the problems and tell myelf they do not exist

§Where in the bible does it say we DO NOT need to follow it's teachings?

this makes no sense, if you dont follow Jesus why would you read a bible to begin with. and we both know this is just you avoiding the question.
again, 3rd time, where in the bible does it say Christians have to follow a trinity?

we know the answer, the bible never says any such thing. a Christian is someone that follows Jesus, you teach Christians are people that follow teachings that are not of Jesus.

 

[GodsGrace]

if i believed something to be true i would be happy to defend the belief, rather than ignore the problems and tell myelf they do not exist

this makes no sense, if you dont follow Jesus why would you read a bible to begin with. and we both know this is just you avoiding the question.
again, 3rd time, where in the bible does it say Christians have to follow a trinity?

we know the answer, the bible never says any such thing. a Christian is someone that follows Jesus, you teach Christians are people that follow teachings that are not of Jesus.

Real intelligent reply jaybird.

Go listen to Lennon preach how the world would be better without God.
It's late and you're not an honest person or you would have given a real reply and I'd have continued with why Jesus claimed to be God.

Good night.

 

[Treeline]

...I prefer not to use the Lords name for my personal discussions, i believe His name is holy and not for ones personal vanity..

What is God's name anyway?
When Moses asked him at the burning bush, God replied "I am that I am", which I take to mean
"I'm too big to be labelled with a name", or am I missing something?
Likewise , some angels apparently don't have earthly names either-
"Then Manoah inquired of the angel of the Lord, What is your name, so that we may honour you when your word comes true?
He replied, "Why do you ask my name? It is beyond understanding" (Judges 13:17/18)

 

[Treeline]

...Where in the bible does it say we DO NOT need to follow it's teachings?..

The Old Testament was very harsh in places, and although Jesus said he didn't come to change the Law, he did demonstrate that we should interpret it in a more compassionate way, like when he rescued an adulteress from a mob who wanted to stone her under the old Law-

The early Christians got it right-
"The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" (John 1:17)
"The covenant of which Jesus is mediator is superior to the old one" (Heb 8:6)
"Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Pet 1:18 )
"We serve in the new way of the spirit, not in the old way of the written code" (Rom 7:6)
"The epistle of Christ, written not in stone, but in the heart" (2 Cor 3:3)
"The veil covers the old covenant, but is removed by Jesus" (2 Cor 3:12)
"In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent." (Acts 17:30)

 

[rebuilder 454]

They have no intent in listening to Jesus in who he said he was in God. They read what I am about to quote of Jesus then are actually calling him a liar even though he was very clear that he was not. They read and ignore who Jesus said he was in God. And here is what he said about that very thing.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.






Jesus changed dramatically when he was about 30 years old when he met God in Matt 3:16 Changed his whole life and because he did it became a living hell for his mortal body because of mans doctrines who falsely accusing him of being God, but was heaven in his spiritual man. Jesus was innocent of all those false charges. Ironic is they still falsely accuse him of being God in this very forum even though he was very clear that he was not in who he said he was in God above. They do not listen to Jesus at all just as the Jews of Jesus day didnt either.

Maybe chastise the Father also.
It was the Father that called Him God in Hebrews 1, way before anyone here.

Or maybe correct Isaiah for Calling JESUS the "everlasting Father"