When the Pulpit Becomes a Paycheck

[soberxp]

We do. We are to test all things. The Spirit leads us.

Yes, I want to agree, but what if the spirit is the lie of it leads someone.....
Then how to test it?
What if the one is still bound to the worldly thing?

 

[Behold]

Do not muzzle the ox while treading out the grain.

The workman deserves his wages.

Now when the salary is exorbitantly high....that might be a problem.

The TV Ministers and Pastors who are making a lot of income, generally do it these days, by holding large rallies and by selling books.
Often their "take home pay" from their Local Church, is a good wage but its not getting them rich.
Its incredibly expensive to have a Big TV ministry, stay on the Air.

Joyce Meyers is probably the best at large arena Gospel meetings.
She's been doing it for a long time.
Its not easy.......as she is on the road......living in a Hotel.......and this is for years and years.
She's written a few bestsellers.

A "bestseller", can earn them millions.

 

[PS95]

Yes, I do think that is a big part of the problem. Do you think it is because there are so many seminaries that are corrupt now? Many so-called pastors and seminary graduates have turned ministry into a career path, not a calling from God. When the paycheck becomes the priority, the message becomes soft. Instead of preaching the whole counsel of God (Acts 20: 26–27), they’ll no longer rebuke sin because they’re afraid to lose members, donors, or influence.

It is especially disturbing not to correct sin. I see that on this forum. Many people are confused about judging. They are afraid to call out sin as sin. Be afraid for them! Then, we have those who call themselves teachers on here who deny that we can sin. Obedience to the Lord is seen as trying to save yourself and falling from grace.- Cherry picking is a dangerous thing and that's my beef with many pastors. But I will not go so far as to say all pastors are lost. The Dallas seminary is a problem for sure.--! I steer clear of them and they are MANY. I would rather have a lowly man teaching who has no seminary training.

The Bible told us this would happen. Paul said, “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears” (2 Timothy 4:3). When a church is run like a business, the culture determines the message instead of God’s Word. This produces a man-made version of “God” that embraces sin and disregards holiness.

Exactly.

Satan loves this because it gives people a false sense of security. “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light” (2 Corinthians 11:13–14). Many pulpits today are staffed by ministers in sheep’s clothing leading people toward destruction, while speaking smooth words that sound loving but deny the truth.

Yes- there are extremes on both sides. There are the heavy handed legalists who also bring destruction.

True Christianity is not self-indulgent. It’s about denying ourselves, taking up our cross, and following Jesus (Luke 9:23). Any leader who won’t confront sin or call people to repentance is not shepherding God’s flock, they’re just running a religious business.

This is the problem I have with our poster, Behold. No repentance ever! Leave the faith, live in sins the rest of your days, but you are still saved. Nonsense.
I have given plenty of scripture but it is just all ignored. There is a blinding on some. That's how I see it. There is no other way to justify the blatant ignoring of so many passages that say the opposite and teaching falsely. This poster isn't in it for the money.

And...... believe it or not- again there are the large money Corporations such as the Watchtower organization ( worth BILLIONS) which is a Corporation-- that confront sins of their own making- and do punish people for celebrating a birthday or the birth of Jesus etc... This religion is the exact opposite of the above-- they believe they are earning salvation- that God saves no one.- we save ourselves.

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Yes, I want to agree, but what if the spirit is the lie of it leads someone.....
Then how to test it?
What if the one is still bound to the worldly thing?

I'm not sure I understand this. The Holy Spirit never lies. If a person is bound to the world they are not walking in the Spirit. The Spirit of God in us leads us into HIS truth. We can discern error when taught. We need to abide in Christ and we wont walk in darkness. If we are uncertain- pray about it! God is faithful.

 

[bdavidc]

Yes, I want to agree, but what if the spirit is the lie of it leads someone.....
Then how to test it?
What if the one is still bound to the worldly thing?

That is precisely why you test it by the Word of God, which is the only truth (John 17:17). Scripture tells us, “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God” (1 John 4:1). If the spirit, teaching or leading is contrary to Scripture, it is not from God, no matter how good it may seem or feel. If someone is still enslaved to the things of this world, that is another red flag, because friendship with the world is enmity with God (James 4:4). The Holy Spirit will never lead into sin, compromise, or anything that is against God’s Word. The test is simple: line it up with Scripture in its full context. If it fails that test, reject it.

 

[amigo de christo]

Ok- well I use several translations and always have. I don't prefer the NIV or any transliteration which is how I see that one.. My background caused me to be extra cautious of any bible. I have basic knowledge of the Greek-only 1.5 years but sometimes a little knowledge can be very dangerous!

One verse in the KJV that I appreciate is Ro 8:1. It seems odd to leave the last half of the verse off and leads many to the wrong idea especially the cherry pickers. But I dont see that as intentional to deceive. Either the manuscripts have it or they don't.
I haven't gotten into the KJV debate seriously by any means- I know a little not much- but I do not and can not trust the backgrounds of Wescott and Hort! How could anyone?!

But-- the Comma- I just don't see it in the early Father's writings- and considering Arius, if the comma was there- the Father's absolutely would have used it against Arius. Agree? It's nowhere.
I don't have a problem with what the comma says-- it is absolutely justified biblically, but was it there originally? The evidence seems to say no. How else can we know for certain other than the early father's? Isn't that how they decided the canon?

My understanding of this kjv controversy is so very limited--
However, I concluded that older isn't necessarily better though since corruption was around all along- Gnostics were interpolating very early.
But earlier is perhaps less likely to be corrupted.. in comparison to much later copies.

I am unaware of all of the differences. I know a few. Most that I know of didn't make a significant difference. I also have a hard time with the archaic language- do you see the NKJV as corrupted?

What i now say to you i say to all . And what i say is not out of hatred , nor is it judgmental or condemning .
BUT WESCOTT AND HORT WERE TOTAL BAD NEWS . HEED NOT WORD ONE outta them . I do not say this lightly
Wescott and hort WERE BAD NEWS and did much damage .

 

[amigo de christo]

We do. We are to test all things. The Spirit leads us.

and what if what we heard contradicts the scriptures .
Answer . IT COMETH of satan and of darkness no matter how well it was sounded out .
IF what we hear one say
Contradicts the scrips , THEN that one has spoken presumpstously and it came NOT FROM GOD .
GOD , CHRIST , HIS SPIRIT
aint in the business of twisting and omitting the truth . AFTER ALL GOD IS TRUTH , CHRIST IS TRUTH
and the SPIRIT IS TRUTH . GOD aint like man that he can lie . But the devil sure can and so can men .

 

[amigo de christo]

We do. We are to test all things. The Spirit leads us.

and our motto is , LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar . GOD IS TRUTH , HIS WORD IS TRUTH , HIS SPIRIT IS TRUTH
and HE IS NOT man that can lie . but satan sure can and does and so too can man
IN fact a lot of folks wearing wool not only lie , but have fallen in love WITH A LIE they think is love and is of GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

It is especially disturbing not to correct sin. I see that on this forum. Many people are confused about judging. They are afraid to call out sin as sin. Be afraid for them! Then, we have those who call themselves teachers on here who deny that we can sin. Obedience to the Lord is seen as trying to save yourself and falling from grace.- Cherry picking is a dangerous thing and that's my beef with many pastors. But I will not go so far as to say all pastors are lost. The Dallas seminary is a problem for sure.--! I steer clear of them and they are MANY. I would rather have a lowly man teaching who has no seminary training.

Exactly.

Yes- there are extremes on both sides. There are the heavy handed legalists who also bring destruction.

This is the problem I have with our poster, Behold. No repentance ever! Leave the faith, live in sins the rest of your days, but you are still saved. Nonsense.
I have given plenty of scripture but it is just all ignored. There is a blinding on some. That's how I see it. There is no other way to justify the blatant ignoring of so many passages that say the opposite and teaching falsely. This poster isn't in it for the money.

And...... believe it or not- again there are the large money Corporations such as the Watchtower organization ( worth BILLIONS) which is a Corporation-- that confront sins of their own making- and do punish people for celebrating a birthday or the birth of Jesus etc... This religion is the exact opposite of the above-- they believe they are earning salvation- that God saves no one.- we save ourselves.



I'm not sure I understand this. The Holy Spirit never lies. If a person is bound to the world they are not walking in the Spirit. The Spirit of God in us leads us into HIS truth. We can discern error when taught. We need to abide in Christ and we wont walk in darkness. If we are uncertain- pray about it! God is faithful.

Many have bought into the early lie of the judge not correct not
And it has allowed leaven to grow wild and now they are prepared unto THE GREAT LIE that will END THEM ALL on the Day of the LORD .
This judge not correct not victim card junk was a death sentence for the church and it allowed
THE EVIL TO GROW MASSIVE , TILL NOW SOCIETY rages and honors evil
and worse SO TOO do many churches . AND if a man even dares to speak GODS holy and prescious words
To correct sin , THEY Are cast out as are the very words of GOD they brought to this people .
IT has led to the hour o great rebellion and hatred has increased against GOD , HIS CHRIST and his saints .
On this path they are now on it will bring down The MIGHTY wrath OF GOD and of the Lamb upon them all .
But they will hunt for the blood of the saints soon . The all inclusive delusion love train
has completely warped their brain . IT has led them into greater and greater and greater gross darkness
BUT THEY say OH THE LIGHT , WE SEE THE LIGHT .
But many have forgotten , or never knew , SATAN HIMSELF can appear as an angel of LIGHT
but he is of darkness . AND IF THE LIGHT that is in them BE DARKNESS , THEN HOW GREAT THAT DARKNESS IS . its peaking .
ITS ALL PEAKING in this last hour .

 

[bdavidc]

What i now say to you i say to all . And what i say is not out of hatred , nor is it judgmental or condemning .
BUT WESCOTT AND HORT WERE TOTAL BAD NEWS . HEED NOT WORD ONE outta them . I do not say this lightly
Wescott and hort WERE BAD NEWS and did much damage .

Yes, and from a Sola Scriptura perspective, I agree that Westcott and Hort’s work is bad news for true Christians. If a source adds to, takes away, or changes Scripture in a manner that distorts the Word of God, it is dangerous. God commands, “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar” (Proverbs 30:6) and says of His words that they are “pure” and that they are “preserved… from this generation for ever” (Psalm 12:6–7).

Westcott and Hort’s Greek text was altered in order to omit or change based on a very small minority of manuscripts, resulting in thousands of omissions and alterations in most modern translations. Whether that was their intent or not, it certainly chips away at a layman’s confidence in the authority and completeness of the Word of God. For a believer who holds to the Bible as the final authority, that is bad news and should be treated as such.

The KJV is based on the Textus Receptus, which comes from the majority of Greek manuscripts and does not follow Westcott and Hort’s text. This is why it contains verses and phrases that are missing in many modern versions. From a Sola Scriptura perspective, the KJV remains a trustworthy translation because it is not built on the same textual foundation that introduced those changes.

amigo de christo, good post, and thanks for the information.

 

[amigo de christo]

It is especially disturbing not to correct sin. I see that on this forum. Many people are confused about judging. They are afraid to call out sin as sin. Be afraid for them! Then, we have those who call themselves teachers on here who deny that we can sin. Obedience to the Lord is seen as trying to save yourself and falling from grace.- Cherry picking is a dangerous thing and that's my beef with many pastors. But I will not go so far as to say all pastors are lost. The Dallas seminary is a problem for sure.--! I steer clear of them and they are MANY. I would rather have a lowly man teaching who has no seminary training.

Exactly.

Yes- there are extremes on both sides. There are the heavy handed legalists who also bring destruction.

This is the problem I have with our poster, Behold. No repentance ever! Leave the faith, live in sins the rest of your days, but you are still saved. Nonsense.
I have given plenty of scripture but it is just all ignored. There is a blinding on some. That's how I see it. There is no other way to justify the blatant ignoring of so many passages that say the opposite and teaching falsely. This poster isn't in it for the money.

And...... believe it or not- again there are the large money Corporations such as the Watchtower organization ( worth BILLIONS) which is a Corporation-- that confront sins of their own making- and do punish people for celebrating a birthday or the birth of Jesus etc... This religion is the exact opposite of the above-- they believe they are earning salvation- that God saves no one.- we save ourselves.



I'm not sure I understand this. The Holy Spirit never lies. If a person is bound to the world they are not walking in the Spirit. The Spirit of God in us leads us into HIS truth. We can discern error when taught. We need to abide in Christ and we wont walk in darkness. If we are uncertain- pray about it! God is faithful.

HOW does this people who even claim GOD and CHRIST
treat one when they come in WITH the words OF TRUTH INSPIRED BY GOD
that corrects sin . WELL , HOW ARE YOU TREATED . exactly . ITS not looking good at all in these last hours for many .
IF even a man tries to expose sin and to correct sin often they are cast as being judgmental , haters , no love
BUT is it they who overlook sin who love or is it those who correct sin who love .
LETS ALLOW GODS OWN WORDS TO SHOW US .
YE shall NOT hate your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way CORRECT HIM and NOT ALLOW SIN UPON HIM .
But they call that HATE and this acceptance of sins LOVE . ITS all backwards now . satan KNOWS how to deceive .
And many have loved a lie . THE TRUTH , YEAH NOT SO MUCH AT ALL do they love . BUT a lie
a real broad sin accepting path to GOD , THEY SEEM TO LOVE . something is dead wrong . But continue to warn we must .
No matter the cost , NO MATTER the cost .

 

[bdavidc]

Many have bought into the early lie of the judge not correct not
And it has allowed leaven to grow wild and now they are prepared unto THE GREAT LIE that will END THEM ALL on the Day of the LORD .
This judge not correct not victim card junk was a death sentence for the church and it allowed
THE EVIL TO GROW MASSIVE , TILL NOW SOCIETY rages and honors evil
and worse SO TOO do many churches . AND if a man even dares to speak GODS holy and prescious words
To correct sin , THEY Are cast out as are the very words of GOD they brought to this people .
IT has led to the hour o great rebellion and hatred has increased against GOD , HIS CHRIST and his saints .
On this path they are now on it will bring down The MIGHTY wrath OF GOD and of the Lamb upon them all .
But they will hunt for the blood of the saints soon . The all inclusive delusion love train
has completely warped their brain . IT has led them into greater and greater and greater gross darkness
BUT THEY say OH THE LIGHT , WE SEE THE LIGHT .
But many have forgotten , or never knew , SATAN HIMSELF can appear as an angel of LIGHT
but he is of darkness . AND IF THE LIGHT that is in them BE DARKNESS , THEN HOW GREAT THAT DARKNESS IS . its peaking .
ITS ALL PEAKING in this last hour .

That’s exactly what the Scripture says will happen in the last days. Jesus said, “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). The “judge not” excuse so prevalent today is a perversion of Matthew 7:1–5, which deals with hypocrisy, not the refusal to rebuke sin. God calls believers to reprove, rebuke, and exhort with longsuffering and doctrine (2 Timothy 4: 2), to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather to reprove them (Ephesians 5:11). When the church is unwilling to do that, sin spreads like leaven (1 Corinthians 5:6–7) and corrupts everything it touches.

This false “love” that tolerates sin is not biblical love at all. Love calls people to repentance and warns of judgment (Proverbs 27:5–6; Ezekiel 33:8–9). The Bible says there will be a great falling away before the Day of the Lord (2 Thessalonians 2: 3–4) and that many in the last days will call evil good and good evil (Isaiah 5:20). Satan is a deceiver who comes in the guise of an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11: 14), so people think they are enlightened when in reality they are walking deeper into darkness. That deception will set the world up to believe the ultimate lie of the man of sin and bring the wrath of God on all who refuse the truth. Those who speak God’s Word will be hated, rejected, and even persecuted, but we must stand firm. The hour is late, and the light of truth is needed now more than ever.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, and from a Sola Scriptura perspective, I agree that Westcott and Hort’s work is bad news for true Christians. If a source adds to, takes away, or changes Scripture in a manner that distorts the Word of God, it is dangerous. God commands, “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar” (Proverbs 30:6) and says of His words that they are “pure” and that they are “preserved… from this generation for ever” (Psalm 12:6–7).

Westcott and Hort’s Greek text was altered in order to omit or change based on a very small minority of manuscripts, resulting in thousands of omissions and alterations in most modern translations. Whether that was their intent or not, it certainly chips away at a layman’s confidence in the authority and completeness of the Word of God. For a believer who holds to the Bible as the final authority, that is bad news and should be treated as such.

The KJV is based on the Textus Receptus, which comes from the majority of Greek manuscripts and does not follow Westcott and Hort’s text. This is why it contains verses and phrases that are missing in many modern versions. From a Sola Scriptura perspective, the KJV remains a trustworthy translation because it is not built on the same textual foundation that introduced those changes.

amigo de christo, good post, and thanks for the information.

To all who are willing to lose all for CHRIST SAKE and to have done all to have warned this people for their good .
WE MAKE OUR LAST STAND NOW . The vile works of men and of darkness and those who work it
ARE TAKING NO TIME OFF to decieve
AND We can take no time off to reprove . We make our stand now .
OR be as the many in churches who took no stand and went with the flow and their own churches WENT DOWN to the delusion .

 

[amigo de christo]

That’s exactly what the Scripture says will happen in the last days. Jesus said, “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). The “judge not” excuse so prevalent today is a perversion of Matthew 7:1–5, which deals with hypocrisy, not the refusal to rebuke sin. God calls believers to reprove, rebuke, and exhort with longsuffering and doctrine (2 Timothy 4: 2), to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather to reprove them (Ephesians 5:11). When the church is unwilling to do that, sin spreads like leaven (1 Corinthians 5:6–7) and corrupts everything it touches.

This false “love” that tolerates sin is not biblical love at all. Love calls people to repentance and warns of judgment (Proverbs 27:5–6; Ezekiel 33:8–9). The Bible says there will be a great falling away before the Day of the Lord (2 Thessalonians 2: 3–4) and that many in the last days will call evil good and good evil (Isaiah 5:20). Satan is a deceiver who comes in the guise of an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11: 14), so people think they are enlightened when in reality they are walking deeper into darkness. That deception will set the world up to believe the ultimate lie of the man of sin and bring the wrath of God on all who refuse the truth. Those who speak God’s Word will be hated, rejected, and even persecuted, but we must stand firm. The hour is late, and the light of truth is needed now more than ever.

You wrote , this false love that tolerates sin is NOT biblical love at all . RIGHT .
Now a reminder.
WE know what it tolerates , but have you noticed WHAT IT WONT tolerate . TRUTH , THE WORDS OF GOD and those who SPEAK SUCH WORDS . this is what IS HAS LED THEM TOO . utter rebellion against GOD
but JUST as JESUS had warned HIS OWN
so now i warn us all . THE TIME is coming and now IS
when this entire lukewarm all inclusive generation , many path intefaith beleiving , sin accepting merged world and her religloins
WILL ALL BELEIVE THEY DO GODS WILL , WHEN EVEN we are eradicated from society
THEY THINK ITS THEY WHO KNOW GOD and HIS LOVE and we are the haters in darkness . THEY THINK ITS GODS WILL
for this world peace n safety
NOT KNOWING THAT JESUS CAME NOT to bring peace on earth but rather divsions .
BUT GUESS WHO DOES COME to bring peace on earth and BY THAT PEACE DOES DESTROY MANY .
THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE ITS ALL HEADED RIGHT TOO . they follow the wrong god my friend . HE who has come in his own name
to lead them to the promise of what they SEE as Salvation and as WORLD PEACE N SAFETY . its peaking now . and it will get worse .

 

[amigo de christo]

That’s exactly what the Scripture says will happen in the last days. Jesus said, “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). The “judge not” excuse so prevalent today is a perversion of Matthew 7:1–5, which deals with hypocrisy, not the refusal to rebuke sin. God calls believers to reprove, rebuke, and exhort with longsuffering and doctrine (2 Timothy 4: 2), to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather to reprove them (Ephesians 5:11). When the church is unwilling to do that, sin spreads like leaven (1 Corinthians 5:6–7) and corrupts everything it touches.

This false “love” that tolerates sin is not biblical love at all. Love calls people to repentance and warns of judgment (Proverbs 27:5–6; Ezekiel 33:8–9). The Bible says there will be a great falling away before the Day of the Lord (2 Thessalonians 2: 3–4) and that many in the last days will call evil good and good evil (Isaiah 5:20). Satan is a deceiver who comes in the guise of an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11: 14), so people think they are enlightened when in reality they are walking deeper into darkness. That deception will set the world up to believe the ultimate lie of the man of sin and bring the wrath of God on all who refuse the truth. Those who speak God’s Word will be hated, rejected, and even persecuted, but we must stand firm. The hour is late, and the light of truth is needed now more than ever.

It was once written and for real good reason
that the time shall come when they shall no longer endure sound doctrine but shall heap .............
Well that TIME HAS COME and COME IT SURELY HAS .

 

[soberxp]

To all who are willing to lose all for CHRIST SAKE and to have done all to have warned this people for their good .
WE MAKE OUR LAST STAND NOW . The vile works of men and of darkness and those who work it
ARE TAKING NO TIME OFF to decieve
AND We can take no time off to reprove . We make our stand now .
OR be as the many in churches who took no stand and went with the flow and their own churches WENT DOWN to the delusion .

I don't think we can warn everyone, Jesus said not to give pearls to pigs and dogs, so, Not all people are worthy of our persuasion. The first thing we need to do is to spread the right gospel.

 

[amigo de christo]

That’s exactly what the Scripture says will happen in the last days. Jesus said, “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). The “judge not” excuse so prevalent today is a perversion of Matthew 7:1–5, which deals with hypocrisy, not the refusal to rebuke sin. God calls believers to reprove, rebuke, and exhort with longsuffering and doctrine (2 Timothy 4: 2), to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather to reprove them (Ephesians 5:11). When the church is unwilling to do that, sin spreads like leaven (1 Corinthians 5:6–7) and corrupts everything it touches.

This false “love” that tolerates sin is not biblical love at all. Love calls people to repentance and warns of judgment (Proverbs 27:5–6; Ezekiel 33:8–9). The Bible says there will be a great falling away before the Day of the Lord (2 Thessalonians 2: 3–4) and that many in the last days will call evil good and good evil (Isaiah 5:20). Satan is a deceiver who comes in the guise of an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11: 14), so people think they are enlightened when in reality they are walking deeper into darkness. That deception will set the world up to believe the ultimate lie of the man of sin and bring the wrath of God on all who refuse the truth. Those who speak God’s Word will be hated, rejected, and even persecuted, but we must stand firm. The hour is late, and the light of truth is needed now more than ever.

Whose deadly wound was healed .
Who caused fire from heaven
and by the means of those miracles decieved .
YOU wanna hear something that should shock the boots off of many .
I HEARD THESE VERY WORDS by a pope
and later by a prostestant leader . HEALING THE WOUND
and the same leaders were crying FIRE FROM HEAVEN as they were awaiting miracles signs and wonders .
JUST WHO YOU THINK THEY ARE BEING PREPARED for to love and to honor follow and obey .
THIS IS NOT looking good . A very heavy and dark delusion of upmost reprobation has set in
amongst a generation THAT DARN SURE DIDNT WANT ANY REMINDER OF GOD IN ITS STREETS , MIND or CONSCIOUS .
now read romans one . and read second thess . AND FOR THIS cause shall GOD send a STRONG delusion
that they who rejected the love of the truth whereby they could be saved , WOULD BELEIVE A LIE AND BE DAMNED .
ITS COMING IN . ITS COMING IN and many are headed right into its web of what it calls love and it claims is of GOD
and it is preparing their minds , making all ready
NOT FOR CHRIST , cause repentance darn sure aint preached and faith in CHRIST is not preached .
ACCEPTANCE OF SINS is preached . IT is as though a dark elijah has arisen
to make ready this people by preaching acceptance of sins , FOR ANTI CHRIST and ITS BROAD ROAD LIE . and they
believe this path is the way TO PEACE N SAFETY of this world .
KINDA ODD that paul even said FOR WHEN THEY WERE SAYING peace n safety , SUDDEN DESTRUCTION shall come upon them all .
THIS world and its inquity is hitting the full , the trangressors are coming to the full .
And now a word .
AND at the time of the end , WHEN the transgressors have come to the FULL
THEN SHALL A KING STAND and that KING who by PEACE , YES BY PEACE , DESTORYS MANY , IT AINT GOD , IT AINT GOD AT ALL .
WE are running out of time . SO MAKE OUR STAND WE MUST as we desire the death of none but rather their repentance .

 

[bdavidc]

I don't think we can warn everyone, Jesus said not to give pearls to pigs and dogs, so, Not all people are worthy of our persuasion. The first thing we need to do is to spread the right gospel.

You are correct that not everyone will accept the truth. Jesus said, “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine” (Matthew 7:6). The reason our first duty is to be sure we are preaching the true gospel as God gave it, not a diluted message to win acceptance from men. Paul stated, “I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth” (Romans 1:16). He also warned us that anyone preaching another gospel is accursed (Galatians 1:8–9). We cannot save everyone but we are commanded to warn and to preach the Word “in season, out of season” (2 Timothy 4: 2) so that the sons of God will hear His words (John 8:47). Our job is to be faithful with the message, the results are His.

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't think we can warn everyone, Jesus said not to give pearls to pigs and dogs, so, Not all people are worthy of our persuasion. The first thing we need to do is to spread the right gospel.

well by no means can one warn every single human .
But we can and must warn who we can . And you are correct WE must spread the one true gospel
not this social justice interfaith thing .

 

[IndianaRob]

Ok- well I use several translations and always have. I don't prefer the NIV or any transliteration which is how I see that one.. My background caused me to be extra cautious of any bible. I have basic knowledge of the Greek-only 1.5 years but sometimes a little knowledge can be very dangerous!

One verse in the KJV that I appreciate is Ro 8:1. It seems odd to leave the last half of the verse off and leads many to the wrong idea especially the cherry pickers. But I dont see that as intentional to deceive. Either the manuscripts have it or they don't.
I haven't gotten into the KJV debate seriously by any means- I know a little not much- but I do not and can not trust the backgrounds of Wescott and Hort! How could anyone?!

But-- the Comma- I just don't see it in the early Father's writings- and considering Arius, if the comma was there- the Father's absolutely would have used it against Arius. Agree? It's nowhere.
I don't have a problem with what the comma says-- it is absolutely justified biblically, but was it there originally? The evidence seems to say no. How else can we know for certain other than the early father's? Isn't that how they decided the canon?

My understanding of this kjv controversy is so very limited--
However, I concluded that older isn't necessarily better though since corruption was around all along- Gnostics were interpolating very early.
But earlier is perhaps less likely to be corrupted.. in comparison to much later copies.

I am unaware of all of the differences. I know a few. Most that I know of didn't make a significant difference. I also have a hard time with the archaic language- do you see the NKJV as corrupted?

There have been quite a few KJV only teachers that have given KJV only a bad name but we should judge any bible by it’s content.

Unfortunately yes, the NKJV is corrupted albeit not as corrupt as most of the other newer translations. Here’s one example of how the KJV presents the gospel and the NKJV presents “another gospel”,

KJV

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

NKJV

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.”

These two verses are saying completely different things. The KJV is saying “though he WERE” dead while the NKJV is saying “though he may die”.

Translating it that way in John 11:25 (NKJV: “though he may die”) is more of an interpretive decision by the translators, trying to emphasize the reality of physical death while pointing to resurrection life. But strictly speaking, the verb itself just means to die / to be dead, not “should die.”

The NKJV using that type of language just obliterated the meaning of that verse. Basically the NKJV preachers a DIFFERENT gospel than the KJV.

 

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