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Nobody knows because Trump won’t make it public.

Epstein DID have Charges and Trials and Criminal sentences Long before Trump was in Office.

Do you think “the FBI” should Release to the Public…All their investigations, True and False gathered Evidence, All their interviews, of All their Files of Every person?
 

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Epstein DID have Charges and Trials and Criminal sentences Long before Trump was in Office.

Do you think “the FBI” should Release to the Public…All their investigations, True and False gathered Evidence, All their interviews, of All their Files of Every person?
I think all the public wants is to know which public officials have been being controlled by Moussad and blackmailed into passing laws that benefit Israel and hurt us. The need to be tried for treason.
 
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I think all the public wants is to know which public officials have been being controlled by Moussad and blackmailed into passing laws that benefit Israel and hurt us. The need to be tried for treason.

Epstein had multiple “citizenships”… which is to say… multiple allegiances.

Epstein had well know business adventures… hob-knobbed in circles of the wealthy, famed persons whom such fame was Political, Entertainment, Businesses…a Routine guest / participant in Exclusive social settings.

An FBI “file”… on Anyone, could reveal ANY other person, they talked to, attended a same event, was photographed with, etc.

Do you really think Trump was elected / positioned to spend his time Reading every File of every person the FBI has created a load of documents on that person?
 

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Epstein had multiple “citizenships”… which is to say… multiple allegiances.

Epstein had well know business adventures… hob-knobbed in circles of the wealthy, famed persons whom such fame was Political, Entertainment, Businesses…a Routine guest / participant in Exclusive social settings.

An FBI “file”… on Anyone, could reveal ANY other person, they talked to, attended a same event, was photographed with, etc.

Do you really think Trump was elected / positioned to spend his time Reading every File of every person the FBI has created a load of documents on that person?
I think the president is to defend and uphold the constitution and prosecute congress members that were and ARE being controlled by Israel. It seems like all conservatives would be calling for it.

If it were Biden, MAGA-ites would be up in arms but since it’s Trump… meh not a big deal.
 
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If Trump wants the killing to stop, he needs to stop two-facing and stop funding (supplying weapons, etc) the war.
Yes, the Russian army is much bigger than Ukraines so Zelensky can't possibly win, he'll run out of troops long before Putin.
Yet Zel continues to stick pins in the Russian bear which serves no useful purpose and only provokes Russian retaliation, so the sooner the West stops supplying Zel with pins, the sooner hostilities will stop.
 
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Please, he said "I'm ma Christian".
I guess we would need it to be determined by forensic experts then. It would be in keeping with his personality and "stream of consciousness" and often self-contradictory style of speaking.

There isn't any doubt that there is a lot of wishful thinking on the part of Trump's followers who aren't exercising any discernment. I saw Trump being interviewed recently, just before the election, where he was being asked about his faith and he said he believes good people go up (implying heaven) and bad people go down (implying hell). That isn't the gospel.......it's the belief of nominal Christians who only think they are Christians, as well as what those who aren't Christian at all think Christians believe.
 

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Do you really think Trump was elected / positioned to spend his time Reading every File of every person the FBI has created a load of documents on that person?
Then he shouldn't have promised to release the files in the first place. He is covering himself like he always has ...which is why his personal plane went through a total overhaul a couple of years ago. Look it up... Citadel Completions in Louisiana. It's vague, but the info is there to verify his plane was there. I just happen to know a lot more bc of people I know who were there.
 

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I think the president is to defend and uphold the constitution and prosecute congress members that were and ARE being controlled by Israel. It seems like all conservatives would be calling for it.

If it were Biden, MAGA-ites would be up in arms but since it’s Trump… meh not a big deal.

Agree Trumps Job is to defend and uphold the US Constitution.

It is thr US Justice Department’s Job to also Up hold the US Constitution and investigate and prosecute Crimes Against the US.

Potential committed crimes provoking an investigation, begins with:
Suspicion, Accusations, Opinions, Associations, Charges, Interviews, Depositions…etc. long before a judicial court case, hearing, judge, jury, witnesses, reporters, editors, spectators, public at large, trial, sentencing, occurs. which contains All parties Names……whether True or False…become part of the investigative record.

Regarding Epstein… he purchased an Island in about 1998.
In 2005, sexual related charges were lodged against him. Over a course of subsequent years, others charges were lodged against him.
A few, Names of those making the charges were public. Most “Names” of the Accusers were kept Private… but The “Charges” edited Opinions, Association guessworks, no oath of Truth required, Swirled in the media, via numerous platforms.

Epstein has “reportedly” been dead for 21 years.
WHO Epstein knew, socialized with, dined at the same restaurant, traveled with, attended the same social events, extended invitations to, conducted business with, spoke on the phone with, was photographed with…over the course of Years…was local, was international…was VAST.

So did Epstein himself “keep, a record, recording, a written log, journal, diary…of every NAMED person he had Any contact with”?
None to my knowledge, has been claimed.
Was he Legally required to keep such records?
No.

So WHAT exactly is (the 21 years later) “so called” public demanding to See, Hear, Know?
* NAMES? Of WHO? Every person Epstein knew?
* Every person WHO Ever “traveled” To Epstein's Home, Island?
* Every NAME of Every “Accuser”?
* Factual Proof of “EVERY” Accuser?
* Time stamped Proof of “DATES” of association, and DETAILED business?

Back to the Beginning…that no one seems to be interested in.
* The Accusers. Where are Their Documented Names, Accusations, Proofs, logs, diaries, charges , Time-Line dates…and willing or captive involvement? And the Publics Judicial interest and outcome?

* * Wouldn’t “their” Names, Time-Line Dates, willing or captive involvement, Local or abroad, charges, testimonies, evidence, proofs… literally carry the weight of WHO and WHEN “they” engaged WITH?
* Willingly circumstances?
* Forcefully Drugged, Bound, circumstances?
* Where are Those records?
* And WHY no public interest in the First hand Sources?

There are “ different” (guesswork) reports of over 100,000 pages of Government documents regarding Epstein…and “hundreds of NAMES Epstein, knew, talked to, dined with, socialized with, was photographed with, did business with, etc.”

The Trump Administration has released “approximately” 3,000 pages of “classified” / “declassified” documents.
Have you read them?

Have you “ever” read ANY “government” “classified / declassified” documents?
They are a “Joke”…
The LAW… FOIA is A JOKE.
Can documents be requested?… yes.
Does the request have to be Specific?…yes.
Will the govt Copy and Send the copy’s to the requester?…yes.
Law…complied / fulfilled. Great eh?
Requester Eagerly awaits copy’s arrival (months later), package arrives.
All documents intact.
Line after Line, Page after Page is Redacted.
Redacted is Black-Line Blotted out!
Whoop, whoop, colossal waste of Time, Effort, Expectation, Taxpayer dollars… public appeasement.

No one will face Prosecution based on “Top Secret” rubber stamped government Files.

While “NAMES” and “accusations of Activities” peek the interest of the public at Large…. Time-Dates have a signifiant Role, (that does not generate much public interest).

And… Records…outside of the governments “holdings /control”…(plotting, intent, actions, etc.) … “meetings, texts, phone, money / favor promises, money Exchange, etc. records” hold greater leads to suspicious / questionable activity.

Not a Secret…
Every Government has Upstanding servants, Dubious servants, Spies….All Elected and Appointed within Governments.
The Secret IS: (and for the most part will remain)…
Who’s WHO… Upstanding, Dubious, Spy.
 

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I guess we would need it to be determined by forensic experts then. It would be in keeping with his personality and "stream of consciousness" and often self-contradictory style of speaking.

There isn't any doubt that there is a lot of wishful thinking on the part of Trump's followers who aren't exercising any discernment. I saw Trump being interviewed recently, just before the election, where he was being asked about his faith and he said he believes good people go up (implying heaven) and bad people go down (implying hell). That isn't the gospel.......it's the belief of nominal Christians who only think they are Christians, as well as what those who aren't Christian at all think Christians believe.
Of course He is a "churchy" type. The kind that's in church for other reasons. "I'm a Christian" is a phrase I have heard and seen many times. Mostly from people who decided they need to go to church to be a better person. I have confronted many and still do. Make no mistake though, God is using him. Romans 13:1-2
 

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Agree Trumps Job is to defend and uphold the US Constitution.

It is thr US Justice Department’s Job to also Up hold the US Constitution and investigate and prosecute Crimes Against the US.

Potential committed crimes provoking an investigation, begins with:
Suspicion, Accusations, Opinions, Associations, Charges, Interviews, Depositions…etc. long before a judicial court case, hearing, judge, jury, witnesses, reporters, editors, spectators, public at large, trial, sentencing, occurs. which contains All parties Names……whether True or False…become part of the investigative record.

Regarding Epstein… he purchased an Island in about 1998.
In 2005, sexual related charges were lodged against him. Over a course of subsequent years, others charges were lodged against him.
A few, Names of those making the charges were public. Most “Names” of the Accusers were kept Private… but The “Charges” edited Opinions, Association guessworks, no oath of Truth required, Swirled in the media, via numerous platforms.

Epstein has “reportedly” been dead for 21 years.
WHO Epstein knew, socialized with, dined at the same restaurant, traveled with, attended the same social events, extended invitations to, conducted business with, spoke on the phone with, was photographed with…over the course of Years…was local, was international…was VAST.

So did Epstein himself “keep, a record, recording, a written log, journal, diary…of every NAMED person he had Any contact with”?
None to my knowledge, has been claimed.
Was he Legally required to keep such records?
No.

So WHAT exactly is (the 21 years later) “so called” public demanding to See, Hear, Know?
* NAMES? Of WHO? Every person Epstein knew?
* Every person WHO Ever “traveled” To Epstein's Home, Island?
* Every NAME of Every “Accuser”?
* Factual Proof of “EVERY” Accuser?
* Time stamped Proof of “DATES” of association, and DETAILED business?

Back to the Beginning…that no one seems to be interested in.
* The Accusers. Where are Their Documented Names, Accusations, Proofs, logs, diaries, charges , Time-Line dates…and willing or captive involvement? And the Publics Judicial interest and outcome?

* * Wouldn’t “their” Names, Time-Line Dates, willing or captive involvement, Local or abroad, charges, testimonies, evidence, proofs… literally carry the weight of WHO and WHEN “they” engaged WITH?
* Willingly circumstances?
* Forcefully Drugged, Bound, circumstances?
* Where are Those records?
* And WHY no public interest in the First hand Sources?

There are “ different” (guesswork) reports of over 100,000 pages of Government documents regarding Epstein…and “hundreds of NAMES Epstein, knew, talked to, dined with, socialized with, was photographed with, did business with, etc.”

The Trump Administration has released “approximately” 3,000 pages of “classified” / “declassified” documents.
Have you read them?

Have you “ever” read ANY “government” “classified / declassified” documents?
They are a “Joke”…
The LAW… FOIA is A JOKE.
Can documents be requested?… yes.
Does the request have to be Specific?…yes.
Will the govt Copy and Send the copy’s to the requester?…yes.
Law…complied / fulfilled. Great eh?
Requester Eagerly awaits copy’s arrival (months later), package arrives.
All documents intact.
Line after Line, Page after Page is Redacted.
Redacted is Black-Line Blotted out!
Whoop, whoop, colossal waste of Time, Effort, Expectation, Taxpayer dollars… public appeasement.

No one will face Prosecution based on “Top Secret” rubber stamped government Files.

While “NAMES” and “accusations of Activities” peek the interest of the public at Large…. Time-Dates have a signifiant Role, (that does not generate much public interest).

And… Records…outside of the governments “holdings /control”…(plotting, intent, actions, etc.) … “meetings, texts, phone, money / favor promises, money Exchange, etc. records” hold greater leads to suspicious / questionable activity.

Not a Secret…
Every Government has Upstanding servants, Dubious servants, Spies….All Elected and Appointed within Governments.
The Secret IS: (and for the most part will remain)…
Who’s WHO… Upstanding, Dubious, Spy.
From what I've seen, I believe Trump is up to his eyeballs with Epstein and his activities. And true to his nature, it very much looks to me as though he is doing to the evangelical realm exactly what he and Epstein were doing to naive, hopeful, trusting, deer-in-the-headlights, easily exploitable young girls. Lies, promises, flatteries, manipulation and pressures..........in order to USE them. That's why the video with him "loving" Christians SOOO much was so icky.
 

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Agree Trumps Job is to defend and uphold the US Constitution.

It is thr US Justice Department’s Job to also Up hold the US Constitution and investigate and prosecute Crimes Against the US.

Potential committed crimes provoking an investigation, begins with:
Suspicion, Accusations, Opinions, Associations, Charges, Interviews, Depositions…etc. long before a judicial court case, hearing, judge, jury, witnesses, reporters, editors, spectators, public at large, trial, sentencing, occurs. which contains All parties Names……whether True or False…become part of the investigative record.

Regarding Epstein… he purchased an Island in about 1998.
In 2005, sexual related charges were lodged against him. Over a course of subsequent years, others charges were lodged against him.
A few, Names of those making the charges were public. Most “Names” of the Accusers were kept Private… but The “Charges” edited Opinions, Association guessworks, no oath of Truth required, Swirled in the media, via numerous platforms.

Epstein has “reportedly” been dead for 21 years.
WHO Epstein knew, socialized with, dined at the same restaurant, traveled with, attended the same social events, extended invitations to, conducted business with, spoke on the phone with, was photographed with…over the course of Years…was local, was international…was VAST.

So did Epstein himself “keep, a record, recording, a written log, journal, diary…of every NAMED person he had Any contact with”?
None to my knowledge, has been claimed.
Was he Legally required to keep such records?
No.

So WHAT exactly is (the 21 years later) “so called” public demanding to See, Hear, Know?
* NAMES? Of WHO? Every person Epstein knew?
* Every person WHO Ever “traveled” To Epstein's Home, Island?
* Every NAME of Every “Accuser”?
* Factual Proof of “EVERY” Accuser?
* Time stamped Proof of “DATES” of association, and DETAILED business?

Back to the Beginning…that no one seems to be interested in.
* The Accusers. Where are Their Documented Names, Accusations, Proofs, logs, diaries, charges , Time-Line dates…and willing or captive involvement? And the Publics Judicial interest and outcome?

* * Wouldn’t “their” Names, Time-Line Dates, willing or captive involvement, Local or abroad, charges, testimonies, evidence, proofs… literally carry the weight of WHO and WHEN “they” engaged WITH?
* Willingly circumstances?
* Forcefully Drugged, Bound, circumstances?
* Where are Those records?
* And WHY no public interest in the First hand Sources?

There are “ different” (guesswork) reports of over 100,000 pages of Government documents regarding Epstein…and “hundreds of NAMES Epstein, knew, talked to, dined with, socialized with, was photographed with, did business with, etc.”

The Trump Administration has released “approximately” 3,000 pages of “classified” / “declassified” documents.
Have you read them?

Have you “ever” read ANY “government” “classified / declassified” documents?
They are a “Joke”…
The LAW… FOIA is A JOKE.
Can documents be requested?… yes.
Does the request have to be Specific?…yes.
Will the govt Copy and Send the copy’s to the requester?…yes.
Law…complied / fulfilled. Great eh?
Requester Eagerly awaits copy’s arrival (months later), package arrives.
All documents intact.
Line after Line, Page after Page is Redacted.
Redacted is Black-Line Blotted out!
Whoop, whoop, colossal waste of Time, Effort, Expectation, Taxpayer dollars… public appeasement.

No one will face Prosecution based on “Top Secret” rubber stamped government Files.

While “NAMES” and “accusations of Activities” peek the interest of the public at Large…. Time-Dates have a signifiant Role, (that does not generate much public interest).

And… Records…outside of the governments “holdings /control”…(plotting, intent, actions, etc.) … “meetings, texts, phone, money / favor promises, money Exchange, etc. records” hold greater leads to suspicious / questionable activity.

Not a Secret…
Every Government has Upstanding servants, Dubious servants, Spies….All Elected and Appointed within Governments.
The Secret IS: (and for the most part will remain)…
Who’s WHO… Upstanding, Dubious, Spy.
None of the pedophiles or bribed politicians have been prosecuted. Trump knows this, Bongino knows this, Cash Patel knows this, Pam Bondi knows this, in fact the whole world knows this and we know Trump is covering for them.

Israel still controls policy in the US through compromising video evidence Moussad has. I’m just not ok with that. A decent man, a man of integrity would be getting to the bottom of this just like they would’ve prosecuted Biden, Obama and the Clinton’s. Trump said he wouldn’t aren’t Hillary because they’re friends and they’re “good people”.
 
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None of the pedophiles or bribed politicians have been prosecuted. Trump knows this, Bongino knows this, Cash Patel knows this, Pam Bondi knows this, in fact the whole world knows this and we know Trump is covering for them.

Israel still controls policy in the US through compromising video evidence Moussad has. I’m just not ok with that. A decent man, a man of integrity would be getting to the bottom of this just like they would’ve prosecuted Biden, Obama and the Clinton’s. Trump said he wouldn’t aren’t Hillary because they’re friends and they’re “good people”.
You can chase conspiracy theories forever in Washington D.C.
 

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You can chase conspiracy theories forever in Washington D.C.
Israeli control of the American government isn’t a conspiracy theory. Antisemitism isnt the number one health issue in America as RFK Jr said it was.

MAGA, nor conservatives are calling for more mRNA self replicating vaccines yet our government keeps on rolling them out.

Calling the killing of innocent women and children a genocide isn’t hate speech nor is it antisemitism.
 
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Israeli control of the American government isn’t a conspiracy theory. Antisemitism isnt the number one health issue in America as RFK Jr said it was.

MAGA, nor conservatives are calling for more mRNA self replicating vaccines yet our government keeps on rolling them out.

Calling the killing of innocent women and children a genocide isn’t hate speech nor is it antisemitism.
Still, I care less about the workings of Gov't. God is in control. Romans 13:1-2
 

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Yes he is in control and he has given us a king Saul because that’s who a majority of us wanted.
No, God put Trump there for reasons we don't know. But God put favoritism on Trump so many pagans and democrats did vote for him. There is a higher plan. Our battle is not with flesh and blood. Eph. 6:12