WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

[Gary Mac]

You jump to too many assumptions and it's very difficult to post to you.

You post your beliefs for a god all the time, what is difficult about that?

There is no such concept of a creed being Catholic, Lutheran, AoG, etc.

I see so that all have the very same laws to regulate their beliefs so they are all the same. That's interesting. So if they do not have their own laws to govern their beliefs then why do we have everyone of them accusing the others of blaspheme? LOL

Creeds are for Christians.

Creeds are of man. A Christian does not live by a creed, a Christian lives his life in Love that God is and that is not regulated by a creed at all.

You do not accept any creed, developed by the early church to affirm what Christianity believes, because you are not Christian...
you just think you are.

Not a single one. Iused to be of the creeds of man and so was Jesus as rabbi teaching those creeds of man until God came to us both and freed us from those laws.

Gods Spirit in me is not a creed for laws to govern, nor was it Jesus he to walked away from those. It is who I am in God Himself. My identity is with the Father of Love, He in me and I in Him are one, so was Jesus and said so.

A Christian must believe that Jesus is God.

A Christian is exactly and Jesus was in the Father and walk as He walks in His same light.

A Christian must believe that Jesus died and was resurrected to prove He is God.

A Christian has died his death in his own ways for a god and has been resurrected to life By God Himself coining to life in us, born again.

A Christian must believe in the Trinity.

There is no such thing as a trinity in Gods kingdom. Jesus was very clear in that in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation it is with me,. but obviously not you!

A Christian must believe in the hypostatic union.

You have explained this well, Religious minds come to me with the demand that I must believe this and that.

The Spiritual mind come to me with the demand that I square my life with the demands of Jesus Christ to be as he was in the Father as Jesus spiritual mind demands of you instead of the demand that you place on your gods, all three of them.

You're free not to believe in any of the above...

And you are free to believe who Jesus said you would be like he he was in the Father as prayed to his God for you to be in John 17.

but then you do not reserve the right to define yourself as Christian.

The definition of Christian is to be Gods anointed by the same mind be in me who was in Christ Jesus and walk as my Father walks in His same perfection of Love that He is.

A really simple concept that you have no intention in receiving in yourself from God Himself as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. Adam Did in Gen 3;22, Abraham, Moses Mary, 120, did. same Spirit of God in and was in Jesus starting in Matt 3:16 that you count as a lie, and in me no different at all.

I'll post one creed that ALL Christians adhere to....for the benefit of those reading along that may not be familiar with creeds...a creed just means a belief....

You post the creedal beliefs for a god of man that never has met the God of heaven face to face as Jesus did, Adam did, Abraham did, Moses did, Mary did 120 did. mans beliefs that you are of instead, and that of mans opinions about a god is your god.

The Nicene Creed is the most widely used confession of faith in the world—and has been for more than a thousand years. Sunday after Sunday in their worship services, Eastern orthodox Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans and others recite the creed to profess what they believe. Those who do not know the creed—who have not learned it by heart from years of repetition—are a minority in the Christian world.

And what they believe did not come from God Himself for in God there is no beliefs no guess work about Him for God Himself reveals in Man who He is, what He is, what He can and cannot do in man. That is the One that you do not know and do not even believe Jesus when he said this to you .
John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

You have to have mans own gods that they have made in their own images.


You are catholic not Christian. A Christian is as Jesus was in the God that he obeyed, your god is a pope who is of the creed of Constantine.

I really do not read where Adam who became like God to know the difference from mans beliefs for a god and the Spirit God is in man, sighting that creed, Nor do I remember siting that creed, nor Moses, nor Mary, nor Jesus nor 120, do you? LOL What I read of these is they met God Himself one on one.

And here Ill post to you who Jesus said he was in God and that you are supposed to be the same that isnt of mans creedal laws. And because you are of the beliefs of man who Jesus said he was in God and you are suppose do have the same One in you, makes Jesus a blasphemer, doesnt it?

Show me here where Jesus had to quote your Nicene Creed? LOL You are so funny! Bless your lil ole heart, I pray that you do as Jesus did and recioeve from God Himself someday before the grave, for it is too late to know Him by then.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

The (Original) Nicene Creed of 325
We believe in one God, the Father almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Son of God,
the only-begoAen, begoAen of the Father before all ages.
Light of Light, true God of true God,
begotten not made, of one essence with the Father
by whom all things were made;
who for us men and for our salvaEon, came down from heaven,
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man.
And He was crucified for us under PonEus Pilate, and suffered, and was buried.
And the third day He rose again,
according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven,
and sits at the right hand of the Father;
and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead;
whose Kingdom shall have no end.


There are other versions with slight language modifications that do not cause any change but might include more revelation...
I just picked the first one I came across.

There is only one version from Jesus himself and that is God be in you yourself as He was in Jesus himself. Anything outside of that is your own ideas or someone else's self explanation for the gods they have made in their own image that they can control to obey their creeds for a god.

 

[Waiting on him]

Ama

You post your beliefs for a god all the time, what is difficult about that?


I see so that all have the very same laws to regulate their beliefs so they are all the same. That's interesting. So if they do not have their own laws to govern their beliefs then why do we have everyone of them accusing the others of blaspheme? LOL


Creeds are of man. A Christian does not live by a creed, a Christian lives his life in Love that God is and that is not regulated by a creed at all.

Not a single one. Iused to be of the creeds of man and so was Jesus as rabbi teaching those creeds of man until God came to us both and freed us from those laws.

Gods Spirit in me is not a creed for laws to govern, nor was it Jesus he to walked away from those. It is who I am in God Himself. My identity is with the Father of Love, He in me and I in Him are one, so was Jesus and said so.


A Christian is exactly and Jesus was in the Father and walk as He walks in His same light.


A Christian has died his death in his own ways for a god and has been resurrected to life By God Himself coining to life in us, born again.


There is no such thing as a trinity in Gods kingdom. Jesus was very clear in that in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation it is with me,. but obviously not you!


You have explained this well, Religious minds come to me with the demand that I must believe this and that.

The Spiritual mind come to me with the demand that I square my life with the demands of Jesus Christ to be as he was in the Father as Jesus spiritual mind demands of you instead of the demand that you place on your gods, all three of them.


And you are free to believe who Jesus said you would be like he he was in the Father as prayed to his God for you to be in John 17.


The definition of Christian is to be Gods anointed by the same mind be in me who was in Christ Jesus and walk as my Father walks in His same perfection of Love that He is.

A really simple concept that you have no intention in receiving in yourself from God Himself as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. Adam Did in Gen 3;22, Abraham, Moses Mary, 120, did. same Spirit of God in and was in Jesus starting in Matt 3:16 that you count as a lie, and in me no different at all.


You post the creedal beliefs for a god of man that never has met the God of heaven face to face as Jesus did, Adam did, Abraham did, Moses did, Mary did 120 did. mans beliefs that you are of instead, and that of mans opinions about a god is your god.

The Nicene Creed is the most widely used confession of faith in the world—and has been for more than a thousand years. Sunday after Sunday in their worship services, Eastern orthodox Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans and others recite the creed to profess what they believe. Those who do not know the creed—who have not learned it by heart from years of repetition—are a minority in the Christian world.

And what they believe did not come from God Himself for in God there is no beliefs no guess work about Him for God Himself reveals in Man who He is, what He is, what He can and cannot do in man. That is the One that you do not know and do not even believe Jesus when he said this to you .
John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

You have to have mans own gods that they have made in their own images.


You are catholic not Christian. A Christian is as Jesus was in the God that he obeyed, your god is a pope who is of the creed of Constantine.

I really do not read where Adam who became like God to know the difference from mans beliefs for a god and the Spirit God is in man, sighting that creed, Nor do I remember siting that creed, nor Moses, nor Mary, nor Jesus nor 120, do you? LOL What I read of these is they met God Himself one on one.

And here Ill post to you who Jesus said he was in God and that you are supposed to be the same that isnt of mans creedal laws. And because you are of the beliefs of man who Jesus said he was in God and you are suppose do have the same One in you, makes Jesus a blasphemer, doesnt it?

Show me here where Jesus had to quote your Nicene Creed? LOL You are so funny! Bless your lil ole heart, I pray that you do as Jesus did and recioeve from God Himself someday before the grave, for it is too late to know Him by then.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.






There is only one version from Jesus himself and that is God be in you yourself as He was in Jesus himself. Anything outside of that is your own ideas or someone else's self explanation for the gods they have made in their own image that they can control to obey their creeds for a god.

clearly many here confess not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.

 

[GodsGrace]

You post your beliefs for a god all the time, what is difficult about that?


I see so that all have the very same laws to regulate their beliefs so they are all the same. That's interesting. So if they do not have their own laws to govern their beliefs then why do we have everyone of them accusing the others of blaspheme? LOL


Creeds are of man. A Christian does not live by a creed, a Christian lives his life in Love that God is and that is not regulated by a creed at all.

Not a single one. Iused to be of the creeds of man and so was Jesus as rabbi teaching those creeds of man until God came to us both and freed us from those laws.

Gods Spirit in me is not a creed for laws to govern, nor was it Jesus he to walked away from those. It is who I am in God Himself. My identity is with the Father of Love, He in me and I in Him are one, so was Jesus and said so.


A Christian is exactly and Jesus was in the Father and walk as He walks in His same light.


A Christian has died his death in his own ways for a god and has been resurrected to life By God Himself coining to life in us, born again.


There is no such thing as a trinity in Gods kingdom. Jesus was very clear in that in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation it is with me,. but obviously not you!


You have explained this well, Religious minds come to me with the demand that I must believe this and that.

The Spiritual mind come to me with the demand that I square my life with the demands of Jesus Christ to be as he was in the Father as Jesus spiritual mind demands of you instead of the demand that you place on your gods, all three of them.


And you are free to believe who Jesus said you would be like he he was in the Father as prayed to his God for you to be in John 17.


The definition of Christian is to be Gods anointed by the same mind be in me who was in Christ Jesus and walk as my Father walks in His same perfection of Love that He is.

A really simple concept that you have no intention in receiving in yourself from God Himself as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. Adam Did in Gen 3;22, Abraham, Moses Mary, 120, did. same Spirit of God in and was in Jesus starting in Matt 3:16 that you count as a lie, and in me no different at all.


You post the creedal beliefs for a god of man that never has met the God of heaven face to face as Jesus did, Adam did, Abraham did, Moses did, Mary did 120 did. mans beliefs that you are of instead, and that of mans opinions about a god is your god.

The Nicene Creed is the most widely used confession of faith in the world—and has been for more than a thousand years. Sunday after Sunday in their worship services, Eastern orthodox Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans and others recite the creed to profess what they believe. Those who do not know the creed—who have not learned it by heart from years of repetition—are a minority in the Christian world.

And what they believe did not come from God Himself for in God there is no beliefs no guess work about Him for God Himself reveals in Man who He is, what He is, what He can and cannot do in man. That is the One that you do not know and do not even believe Jesus when he said this to you .
John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

You have to have mans own gods that they have made in their own images.


You are catholic not Christian. A Christian is as Jesus was in the God that he obeyed, your god is a pope who is of the creed of Constantine.

I really do not read where Adam who became like God to know the difference from mans beliefs for a god and the Spirit God is in man, sighting that creed, Nor do I remember siting that creed, nor Moses, nor Mary, nor Jesus nor 120, do you? LOL What I read of these is they met God Himself one on one.

And here Ill post to you who Jesus said he was in God and that you are supposed to be the same that isnt of mans creedal laws. And because you are of the beliefs of man who Jesus said he was in God and you are suppose do have the same One in you, makes Jesus a blasphemer, doesnt it?

Show me here where Jesus had to quote your Nicene Creed? LOL You are so funny! Bless your lil ole heart, I pray that you do as Jesus did and recioeve from God Himself someday before the grave, for it is too late to know Him by then.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.






There is only one version from Jesus himself and that is God be in you yourself as He was in Jesus himself. Anything outside of that is your own ideas or someone else's self explanation for the gods they have made in their own image that they can control to obey their creeds for a god.

1. I've already replied to those verses you keep posting.
Do you read any other verses in the bible or just those?

2. You don't have to believe anything.
But you should remove the designation of Christian under your avatar so that others will not be confused as to what a Christian is.

 

[ProDeo]

If I dont need Jesus, as he said, to give me information, then I certainly do not need the opinions of Paul or Peter or any other man. God Himself is quite capable.
Again -- now I will hear how untrue all of that is even though I quoted what Jesus said about it.

Makes me wonder what Church teaches what you believe.

Or maybe you are not going any longer?

 

[JLB]

This is John 3:5 NASB
5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless * one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot * enter into the kingdom of God.


Some believe water to be:
The word of God
Baptismal water
Natural birth

There might be other understandings that are not listed.

I tend to go with either natural birth or baptismal water.
Either can seem correct to me.

Please state what you believe and why.
Appreciated...

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:5-6


Jesus explained what He meant by water.


That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 

[Waiting on him]

1. I've already replied to those verses you keep posting.
Do you read any other verses in the bible or just those?

2. You don't have to believe anything.
But you should remove the designation of Christian under your avatar so that others will not be confused as to what a Christian is.

I believe he thinks if he keeps repeating them that maybe your eyes will be opened,,, and you’ll no longer be a monkey in someone else’s circus.

 

[Waiting on him]

Makes me wonder what Church teaches what you believe.

Or maybe you are not going any longer?

Some people do need men to teach them what they believe.

 

[Gary Mac]

Ama

clearly many here confess not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.

I know, they assume that he was God who is a Spirit and not flesh at all, even though they read he was born a man from man just as we all are, and God came to that man in Matt 3:16 by the Spirit that He is and what happened, opens up in Jesus who He is and all of His heaven in that man. What is so Ironic is, they read that then turn right around and say, Well Jesus didnt need God to open anything in him, because he was god and then to top it off they say the believe the Bible LOL. .

 

[Gary Mac]

I believe he thinks if he keeps repeating them that maybe your eyes will be opened,,, and you’ll no longer be a monkey in someone else’s circus

That is the only reason that I keep posting to these who Jesus said he was in God, that someday they might actually read who Jesus said he was in God and believe him instead of flat out accusing Jesus of blaspheme in who he said that he was in God and demanding of Jesus that he is a god in spite for who he said he was in God. They cant relate to anything Jesus said.

 

[Gary Mac]

Some people do need men to teach them what they believe.

Yes they are exactly as those were with ones in Ex 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

Most of these even pay a preacher to hear God for them. LOL

Very few have received from God Himself who opens in man who He is and all of His heaven in us. Few who find His way. And the very reason they do not hear from the same God as Jesus heard from is their god is a man instead of Spirit that they read of in the bile who is a Spirit and man is His residence, His kingdom in which He lives. And it all boils right back down to they do not believe Jesus at all proven in Luke 17:20-21, where the same God he was of resides in man.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:5-6


Jesus explained what He meant by water.


That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Hi JLB
Yes,,,I've always believed this but am beginning to consider baptism.
But it does make sense to me...
one has to be born of flesh: Body and soul
and then also spiritually: Spirit

Thanks!

 

[GodsGrace]

I believe he thinks if he keeps repeating them that maybe your eyes will be opened,,, and you’ll no longer be a monkey in someone else’s circus.

Who's circus Waiting?



Does Paul count?

Titus 2:13
13Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,


Does Peter count?

2 Peter 1:11
11Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:


Does John count?

John 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”



What about Jesus...
Does Jesus count?


John 10:30-33
30 "I and the Father are one."
31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him.
32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?"
33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."

 

[Gary Mac]

Hi JLB
Yes,,,I've always believed this but am beginning to consider baptism.
But it does make sense to me...
one has to be born of flesh: Body and soul
and then also spiritually: Spirit

Thanks!

I agree, first born of man, made of a woman born under the law, then born again of God. Cant be born again of God if you dont exist at all. Not even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16 when God renewed his mind buy revealing who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus. And by identification with the very same in me, I truly can say I am born again of God, for He is the only One who can open who He is in you. No mans teachings no matter who they are can do that at all. Not even Jesus could do that and said he couldn't. He could do nothing of himself only follow through the instructions that his God gave him and it is up to ourselves if we accept Jesus instructions to receive from God ourselves.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


And it is up to ourselves if we accept Jesus instructions to receive from God ourselves as he did.

And sadly just as today as was back when Jesus tried to tell people God is his way -- that most actually reject of Jesus, in favor of a man as a god instead, and because most unbeliefs to be who Jesus said we must be in the Father and Perfect as He is perfect, that if we are to receive any truths that comes only by God Himself, they make all kinds of doctrines for what born again is instead of receiving from God Himself the Only One who can renew your mind to think in His terms instead of terms of man in carnality and not Spirit that God is to have His same mind. Jesus himself cannot give any man God truths, all he could do is tell you how to receive from God Himself and He will give you His truths. And that decision is up to every individual that is born of water, son of man.
John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

And to confirm that Mark 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk and healed them, because of their unbelief.

 

[Gary Mac]

Who's circus Waiting?



Does Paul count?

Titus 2:13
13Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

Most cannot see the AND between God AND Jesus that separation from Spirit that God is and flesh that man is.
.

Does Peter count?

2 Peter 1:11
11Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Be the righteous one of God that Jesus was in God. Jesus is only savior if one follows him to the One who saved him from the laws of the Jews proven in Matt 3:16.

Does John count?

John 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Yes and Jesus was very clear to Thomas that Spirit that his God is does not have flesh and bone as you see me. Jesus was very Clear again in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom of God does not come with observation, it is with you, or is supposed to be, but most are seeking a physical kingdom they can observe. When Thomas saw what Jesus was trying to convey,

Thomas said My Lord, who was Jesus, AND , my God who is now my God.

Not very many believe Jesus at all do they? They cant see that AND,, that separation from flesh that man is AND Spirit that God is.

What about Jesus...
Does Jesus count?

Jesus is the only one who does count for me, in who he said he was in God and I must have the same if I am to be of God myself.

John 10:30-33
30 "I and the Father are one."

Me to. John 17. He in me and I in Him are one, just as Jesus prayed that I be. Prayer answered for me.

31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him.

They will me as well for saying the same thing of myself and my God who is in me as He was in Jesus no different at all. These just couldn't relate to the same in them nor can they today. They have their own ideas for a god instead.

32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?"

Same here, most here accuse me and us all who has received from God the same as Jesus received from Him, caused of the same blasphemy that Jesus was accused of.

33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."

I dont know how many has accused me of the very same thing as being God. They continually falsely accuse me saying, Ole GaryMac thinks he is God LOL. Some has even falsely accused me that I think I am Jesus Christ LOL. We will be treated the same if we have the same as he had from God by those religious minds in carnality.

But it is comforting to be identified with Jesus knowing our truths that comes only by God Himself give it us that these cannot understand in themselves in full rebellion to receive from God themselves, Himself, to walk as He walks and perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as is commanded of us all. Matt 5:48.

 

[ProDeo]

I dont know how many has accused me of the very same thing as being God. They continually falsely accuse me saying, Ole GaryMac thinks he is God LOL. Some has even falsely accused me that I think I am Jesus Christ LOL. We will be treated the same if we have the same as he had from God by those religious minds in carnality.

Stop playing victim, the role doesn't suit you. Nowhere @GodsGrace accused you of that and neither do I in this post.

Let's return to the subject at hand, you have been saying you don't accept the teachings of men and went as far to include the writings of Peter and Paul, which most of us consider Scripture, that's exception one. But at the same time you refer to the letters of John who is a man and thus you are contradicting yourself.

But let's stick to the words of Jesus Himself and the question for you is : did Jesus preexist before He became in the human form ?

Please show me what Jesus said about Himself on this topic, His preexistence with the Father and what to conclude of that.

 

[Muna]

John 10:30-33
30 "I and the Father are one."
31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him.
32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?"
33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."

To be fair here, when Jesus said,

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? Psalm 82:6

John 10:35 If he called them (plurally) gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jesus was quoting to them Psalm 82:6 equating these two (and in the plural) as the same would apply

Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Which ofcourse, is followed up by

Psalm 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

 

[GodsGrace]

Most cannot see the AND between God AND Jesus that separation from Spirit that God is and flesh that man is.
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Be the righteous one of God that Jesus was in God. Jesus is only savior if one follows him to the One who saved him from the laws of the Jews proven in Matt 3:16.


Yes and Jesus was very clear to Thomas that Spirit that his God is does not have flesh and bone as you see me. Jesus was very Clear again in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom of God does not come with observation, it is with you, or is supposed to be, but most are seeking a physical kingdom they can observe. When Thomas saw what Jesus was trying to convey,

Thomas said My Lord, who was Jesus, AND , my God who is now my God.

Not very many believe Jesus at all do they? They cant see that AND,, that separation from flesh that man is AND Spirit that God is.


Jesus is the only one who does count for me, in who he said he was in God and I must have the same if I am to be of God myself.

Me to. John 17. He in me and I in Him are one, just as Jesus prayed that I be. Prayer answered for me.

They will me as well for saying the same thing of myself and my God who is in me as He was in Jesus no different at all. These just couldn't relate to the same in them nor can they today. They have their own ideas for a god instead.


Same here, most here accuse me and us all who has received from God the same as Jesus received from Him, caused of the same blasphemy that Jesus was accused of.


I dont know how many has accused me of the very same thing as being God. They continually falsely accuse me saying, Ole GaryMac thinks he is God LOL. Some has even falsely accused me that I think I am Jesus Christ LOL. We will be treated the same if we have the same as he had from God by those religious minds in carnality.

But it is comforting to be identified with Jesus knowing our truths that comes only by God Himself give it us that these cannot understand in themselves in full rebellion to receive from God themselves, Himself, to walk as He walks and perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as is commanded of us all. Matt 5:48.

Your statements create much conflict in scripture.
Also, as I've stated before...
you have a language not understood by me.
I'm not familiar with the religion you're following...
it does NOT sound like Christianity..but some kind of cult.

I'm sorry to say this Gary Mac...you sound like a nice person....
I just cannot reply to what you post.

 

[GodsGrace]

To be fair here, when Jesus said,

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? Psalm 82:6

John 10:35 If he called them (plurally) gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jesus was quoting to them Psalm 82:6 equating these two (and in the plural) as the same would apply

Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Which ofcourse, is followed up by

Psalm 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Could you make a point?

In John 10:34 Jesus is indeed referring to Psalm 82:7
Jesus had just asked WHY He was going to be stoned....
The Jews replied that it was not for anything good that Jesus did...
but for calling Himself God.

Now here's the point:

In Psalm 82 some were referred to as gods. (it could mean judges, but we'll leave that aside).
So where was the problem?
Why would it have been a problem for Jesus to call Himself god too?
Why would He have been called a blasphemer?

So Jesus goes on to say that they need to look at the evidence before them...
Jesus does the work of God because He and God Father are one.

So the Jews were ready to stone Him for blasphemy precisely because Jesus said
He and God are one and because if He's doing the work of God then He is God.
Only God can heal,
Only God can forgive sin,
God Father Himself stated HE would save His people...and Jesus is the Savior.

 

[Gary Mac]

Stop playing victim,

Who is playing? Only the ones who falsely accuse me of being God, or Jesus are the victims of ignorance.

the role doesn't suit you.

It doesnt at all. I really am not God as many say that I think that I am.

Nowhere @GodsGrace accused you of that and neither do I in this post.

Sure they have, Several has commented that GaryMac thinks he is God. or GaryMacs thinks he is Jesus, LOL. That finite mentality only comes from a mind that is lame.

Let's return to the subject at hand, you have been saying you don't accept the teachings of men and went as far to include the writings of Peter and Paul,

Well even a squirrel finds the nut once in a while. Sure they had a few things too say that Jesus said that can be identified with who Jesus said he was in God and we should have the same in us. Without a doubt, but I do not follow them at all, I compare them with what they say with who Jesus said he was in God, just as I do you in comparing what you say with who Jesus said he was in God.

As for me Jesus had it all right, and we must have that same mind in us who was in Jesus to have not right ourselves.

I realize that isnt good enough for you to have, but that is the way of God, and you listen to others instead of Jesus for who you would be the same as he in the Father. It isnt that you cant be like the Father perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, it is that you choose the doctrines of man instead in imperfections. sin.

which most of us consider Scripture,

Jim Jones, David Koresh, Warren Jeffs, considered it as well didnt they! And taught it according to their own understanding just as nearly all belief systems do.

that's exception one. But at the same time you refer to the letters of John who is a man and thus you are contradicting yourself.

Yes, Quotes of Jesus for sure. Not quotes of John LOL.

But let's stick to the words of Jesus Himself and the question for you is : did Jesus preexist before He became in the human form ?

No man preexists until man and woman come together to produce a man child. Same with God Who is a Spirit and not a man, no man is born of God until they come together and produce His child. As for me I am born of God, His child, born again of His same Spirit.

Please show me what Jesus said about Himself on this topic, His preexistence with the Father and what to conclude of that.

I have copied and pasted over and over who Jesus said he was in God and when Jesus actually met God in Matt 3:16. No man preexists before he is born flesh. son of man.

You see, right here is where ignorance takes presence for you. Christ, is not a man, Christ is Gods anointing in man and has preexisted and starting in Adam he was the very first to receive Gods anointing to become like Him to know this difference between his mortal man in that finite knowledge, to God actually anointing Him by His preexisting Spirit to become like God to know that same difference as Jesus learned of in Matt 3:16 when God opened the very same knowledge in Jesus that He did in Adam.

The first man Adam as of flesh and the knowledge of flesh, that second man Adam was of Spirit, born again of Spirit that God is to know this difference. Gen 3:22. .

That first man Jesus was of flesh and of the laws for flesh and taught those laws as rabbi of the Jewish belief system for a god, That second man Jesus was born of Spirit that is not flesh at all but is the mind of, that is not flesh and bone.

Until you are born again of God as these were by God Himself open in them all of it, you never ever will understand that difference between a god of flesh, a man, and the GHod of Spirit who was in that man.

Here, I'll post again who Christ is, for you must not have read it the first few times that I posted this.

Christ comes from the Greek word χριστός (chrīstós), meaning "anointed one". The word is derived from the Greek verb χρίω (chrī́ō), meaning "to anoint." In the Greek Septuagint, χριστός was a semantic loan used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed".

Paul came up with that nickname for Christos to Christ at Antioch, before that in the old we who are anointed of Gods same Spirit of mind were referred to as Christos, saints.

The term saint is derived from the Latin word sanctus, meaning "holy" or "consecrated." This is, in turn, a direct translation of the Greek word "άγιος" (hagios), which also means "holy." In its original scriptural usage it simply means "holy" or "sanctified."

And either you are or you are not of Christos, A saint that is anointed of God. And obviously we both know where you stand in that scenario.

 

[Muna]

Could you make a point?

In John 10:34 Jesus is indeed referring to Psalm 82:7
Jesus had just asked WHY He was going to be stoned....
The Jews replied that it was not for anything good that Jesus did...
but for calling Himself God.

Now here's the point:

In Psalm 82 some were referred to as gods. (it could mean judges, but we'll leave that aside).
So where was the problem?
Why would it have been a problem for Jesus to call Himself god too?
Why would He have been called a blasphemer?

So Jesus goes on to say that they need to look at the evidence before them...
Jesus does the work of God because He and God Father are one.

So the Jews were ready to stone Him for blasphemy precisely because Jesus said
He and God are one and because if He's doing the work of God then He is God.
Only God can heal,
Only God can forgive sin,
God Father Himself stated HE would save His people...and Jesus is the Savior.

Yeah, the point was you had used the Jews accusation against Jesus (who said he was the Son of God) who did not quote to them the equally found in Psalm 45:6-7 "thy throne O God" as unto the singular Son of God as is shown us in Hebrews 1:8 but rather (to their accusation) he quoted Psalm 82:6 to them (plurally) which would equally apply as far as the children of God are called gods there.