JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN

[Zao is life]

John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

To see the kingdom of God a man must be born again.

The kingdom being spoken of is the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth, in which, Christ will reign along with the believing remnant, the Israel of God (Exodus 19:5-6 Luke 12:32 Psalm 22:28 Galatians 6:16).

To enter into the kingdom a man must be born of water and of the Spirit. Israel had to believe on the name of Jesus; believe he was the Messiah, the Son of God (John 20:31 1 John 5:13). Jesus is saying that Israel had to repent and confess their sins as a nation and each one be water baptized and receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

The Holy Spirit, under the fulfillment of the new covenant, will cleanse Israel with water and put a new spirit in them; he will cause them to walk in his statutes, keep his judgments, and do them (Ezekiel 36:24-28).

Jesus in saying "Ye must be born again" speaks of the nation of Israel.

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice, but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is every one who is born of the Spirit.

Jesus' words imply individuals must be born again.

There never was a time when they all belonged to Israel who were descended from Jacob (Romans 9:6). It was always a remnant. Notice how Romans 9:6 refers to Israel (Jacob) but the very next verse refers to Abraham, and then Paul uses a second example of what he is talking about - that of the seed of Isaac (Esau and Jacob).

Ishmael was Abraham's genetic seed.
Esau was Abraham's genetic seed.

Neither inherited the promise.

Why?

It's because Paul is telling us that Ishmael - the seed of Abraham - was not God's elect because he was not the seed of the promise, and Esau was not God's elect

and this is because the promise - and the choice of which seed would inherit the promise - depends on God, therefore salvation in Christ depends on God's mercy and grace, and not on genetic ancestry:

Isaiah also cries concerning Israel, "Though the number of the sons of Israel is as the sands of the sea, a remnant shall be saved. (Romans 9:27).

Which remnant? It's the remnant who receive grace and mercy through faith in Christ:

And to Abraham and to his Seed the promises were spoken. It does not say, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, "And to your Seed," which is Christ. Galatians 3:16.

30 What shall we say then? That the nations, who did not follow after righteousness have taken on righteousness, but a righteousness of faith.
31 But Israel, who followed after a law of righteousness did not arrive at a law of righteousness.
32 Why? Because it was not of faith, but as it were by the works of the Law. For they stumbled at that Stumbling-stone;
33 as it is written, "Behold, I lay in Zion a Stumbling-stone and a Rock-of-offense, and everyone believing on Him shall not be put to shame."

It will always only be a remnant - from among the genetic descendants as well as from among the nations - that will inherit the promise. Because the promise is in Christ and without faith in Christ there is no inheritance.
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Which means that individuals must be born again. There will never be a time when every single individual in an entire nation is born again.

 

[Jack]

Romans 11:26-27
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

 

[Gary Mac]

You admitted you reject MOST of the Christian Bible.

I do to, only that what was quoted of Jesus himself in who he was in God and that I would be the same. Everything else is mans own perspectives, that is why it is so diverse, man follows the doctrines of man, instead of Jesus in his ways in the Father that we are supposed to be the same.

Is Jesus the one true living God?

You just called Jesus she! Just a typo, hope you understand? What have I edited? That Jesus said he was God. Do you know what the Bible says about "All LIARS"? Yes. Please do. I don't know how to "past". I see so I have to completely spell it out for your understanding. Most people...

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So why are you in a Christian forum? Lost?

Same reason that Jesus was lost to the Jews in their religious forum as a blasphemer just as I am accused of being by the same for the very same reason as he was accused of. I and the Father are one, just as Jesus prayed to our God for me to be in John 17. Most reject Jesus prayer to be themselves doest they? Perfect even as my Father in heaven is perfect as Jesus commanded of me to be in Matt 5:48. I just happened to obey Jesus and picked up that cross and continued where he left off as he commanded of you as well.

 

[Gary Mac]

Romans 11:26-27
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

And the only way He can is if they open the door to the One who is knocking on it this day and let Him into their soul for He will come to you and sup with you and be in you, Rev 3:20, just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16. Adam in Gen 3:22, Abraham, Moses, Mary, 120, all who received from God Himself who He is in them. Which Siply is Love, for God is Love.

 

[Gary Mac]

Romans 11:26-27
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

Jack, you never answered my post. Since you are the premier authority of bibles as you claim to be, tell us of your expertise and long and intense studies of all those bible I mentioned and how they came about in all those different interpretations of man that you say I never have read? Tell us all about them. I might have missed something in my years of studying the origins, dates, writers, scholars, and different interpretations and how they came about of them from all these different beliefs about it.

Im curious of your expert credentials? If I was guessing I would guess that you only know about it what someone said about it from a pulpit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I do? I dont have a clue what they believe and really do not care , but if they know that Jesus was Gods child His son and a son of God themselves as Jesus was, their identity is with the same God as Jesus identity was of and mine is. You are supposed to be identified with the same Spirit of God be in you who was in Christ Jesus, anointed of the same One.


Now that is not the truth at all. Here is the proof from Jesus himself.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.







Not to you who try and control who Jesus said he was in God instead of listening to Jesus himself for who he said that he was in God.

Then why was Matt 3:16 written and Jesus was saved from the laws of the Jews himself by GHod Himself?

Why is Matt 3:16 a lie for you, And why is what Jesus said about who he was in the father a lie for you -- will you man up and tell us plainly?


I see so Jesus being about 30 years old when God came to that man and opened up in him who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus and that was not necessary and shouldn't have even been written, and Jesus already had all that information? LOL,

Man who ever you are listening to has you duped into believing this nonsense and has you duped into believing Jesus lied. Because obviously to you Jesus did lie to you in the quotes of him about his God above. That is just unreal. You read what Jesus said then to his own face call him a liar telling him NO, God did not come to you and open all of His heaven in you.

Again your own ideas to dictate to Jesus that he is all wrong is just epic.

Nothing you said is true and all of your qoutes have anything to do with Jesus being equally divine as His Father.

John 1:1

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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

You need to read gods Word more and less of your own opinion.

 

[Gary Mac]

Nothing you said is true and all of your qoutes have anything to do with Jesus being equally divine as His Father.

What you are accusing Jesus of in who he said he was in God is not what is the truth for you even though you read who Jesus said he was in God. Should I post and prove to you again who Jesus said he was in God that you say he didnt tell the truth?
read who Jesus said he was in God and call him a liar, not me, as for me Jesus had it right. to you Jesus had it wrong obviously. .

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

John 1:1​

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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Not was, still is. And who has received God in us as Jesus did are His living, and walking, and talking Gods living word. But evident not you at all. It doesnt flow out from you as LIVING waters at all. You yourself just said so.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

You really know noting to the Bible at all. Note the ( )s between the And -- and father? Those were edited in by mans opinions. You dont have a clue what you are talking about.

All who has received in us God same Spirit are His lflesh, the place He resides. Just confess that you do not believe Jesus in Luke 17:20-21, where the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation,. is is with me, and obviously not you. You dont believe Jesu in anything he said.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Same God is my Father and is supposed to be yours, but that doesnt make me anymore a god than it made Jesus a god LOL. And yes he was freed from the laws of the Jews who made laws to regulate their god, and sabbath, and so forth. That is why they had him killed, to silence him for teachings Gods truths instead. He was made to be sin by these very things that he suffered by these religious folk, just as he is suffering the very same as you falsely accuse him of being a god.

Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Everyone who is born go God as Jesus was, Born again, are created in His same image, He in us and we in Him ate one and cannot be seperated as you have separated yourself from GHod. And that is of Spirit that He is, our own mind, totally equal to the very same knowledge from God Himself. But evidently not you, you are not inn His same mage of Spirit at all. Your god is who you have made him to be in your own image of flesh instead.

You need to read gods Word more and less of your own opinion.

No I actually follow the instructions in it to be what it says I should be in the Father anointed of God, Christos in me, just as Jesus was anointed of God, Christos in him. It would do you well to do the same, be who it says you would be if you let the God of it open in you the same as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16 that obviously didnt happen in your opinion.

You however only need to read it and form your own opions though a mind that is carnal instead of Spiritual that God puts Himself puts in man to know the difference from a god of flesh in carnality, from the God who is a Spirit and resides in man.

 

[Jack]

I do to, only that what was quoted of Jesus himself in who he was in God and that I would be the same. Everything else is mans own perspectives, that is why it is so diverse, man follows the doctrines of man, instead of Jesus in his ways in the Father that we are supposed to be the same.


Same reason that Jesus was lost to the Jews in their religious forum as a blasphemer just as I am accused of being by the same for the very same reason as he was accused of. I and the Father are one, just as Jesus prayed to our God for me to be in John 17. Most reject Jesus prayer to be themselves doest they? Perfect even as my Father in heaven is perfect as Jesus commanded of me to be in Matt 5:48. I just happened to obey Jesus and picked up that cross and continued where he left off as he commanded of you as well.

You're like so many here. You pick the parts of the Bible you like and create your own god to please you! The Bible is the Written Word of God, whether you like it or not!

 

[Jack]

And the only way He can is if they open the door to the One who is knocking on it this day and let Him into their soul for He will come to you and sup with you and be in you, Rev 3:20, just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16. Adam in Gen 3:22, Abraham, Moses, Mary, 120, all who received from God Himself who He is in them. Which Siply is Love, for God is Love.

Let's try again:
Romans 11:26-27
26 And so all Israel will be saved,

 

[Jack]

Jack, you never answered my post. Since you are the premier authority of bibles as you claim to be,

That's a lie!

tell us of your expertise and long and intense studies of all those bible I mentioned and how they came about in all those different interpretations of man that you say I never have read? Tell us all about them. I might have missed something in my years of studying the origins, dates, writers, scholars, and different interpretations and how they came about of them from all these different beliefs about it.

I didn't say you MISSED something. I simply agree that you REJECT the Christian Bible as you confessed for all here to witness.

Im curious of your expert credentials? If I was guessing I would guess that you only know about it what someone said about it from a pulpit.

Sounds like lots of irony!

 

[Gary Mac]

You're like so many here. You pick the parts of the Bible you like and create your own god to please you! The Bible is the Written Word of God, whether you like it or not!

I do pick the parts of the Bible that is quoted of who Jesus said he was in God, and I compare what he said with what these others said about him from their own perspectives, and 90 times out of 100 they dont match.

As far as me creating my own god, actually I am in the same image as Jesus was in the same God. Looks to me you only have your own opinions for a god and when Jesus is quoited you think that I conjured that up and made up that God who Jesus spoke of in himself that is in me.

the Bible is not Gods word at all, it is an instruction manual for how you can receive from God Himself His word from God Himself be in you, that you may know Him in His truths.

The Bible can be and grossly is misinterpreted due to carnal minds that think only in flesh instead of Spirit. And the Bible is not an historical document, it is a religious document for how to.

Gods word is not written on stone nor in ink, it is written in the minds of man who has receive from God Himself His word. And in that it is who we become, perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect, walk as He walks in it, perfected by God Himself be our own disposition that is perfect just as the book of laws says we should be. It worked for Jesus and what is good enough for him certainly is good enough for me, but obviously not good enough for you and many others here.

Law that the Bible is is for one reason only, to lead you to be that person of Christ who is anointed of God instead of anointed from mans own ideas about it.

You never have met God to receive from Him His word as Jesus received in Matt 3:16 have you? You know very well if you have met the same God as Jesus did, same One Adam met and became like Him, Abraham met, Moses met, Mary met, Jesus met in Matt 3:16, 120 met.

The truth is that in that day that you do let God into your soul, you will not ask Jesus or any man anything nor have to depend on what man wrote about him, God Himself will give it you fulfilling those laws in that book. .

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

But that aint gonna happen is it?

 

[Jack]

I do pick the parts of the Bible that is quoted of who Jesus said he was in God, and I compare what he said with what these others said about him from their own perspectives, and 90 times out of 100 they dont match.

As far as me creating my own god, actually I am in the same image as Jesus was in the same God. Looks to me you only have your own opinions for a god and when Jesus is quoited you think that I conjured that up and made up that God who Jesus spoke of in himself that is in me.

the Bible is not Gods word at all, it is an instruction manual for how you can receive from God Himself His word from God Himself be in you, that you may know Him in His truths.

The Bible can be and grossly is misinterpreted due to carnal minds that think only in flesh instead of Spirit. And the Bible is not an historical document, it is a religious document for how to.

Gods word is not written on stone nor in ink, it is written in the minds of man who has receive from God Himself His word. And in that it is who we become, perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect, walk as He walks in it, perfected by God Himself be our own disposition that is perfect just as the book of laws says we should be. It worked for Jesus and what is good enough for him certainly is good enough for me, but obviously not good enough for you and many others here.

Law that the Bible is is for one reason only, to lead you to be that person of Christ who is anointed of God instead of anointed from mans own ideas about it.

You never have met God to receive from Him His word as Jesus received in Matt 3:16 have you? You know very well if you have met the same God as Jesus did, same One Adam met and became like Him, Abraham met, Moses met, Mary met, Jesus met in Matt 3:16, 120 met.

The truth is that in that day that you do let God into your soul, you will not ask Jesus or any man anything nor have to depend on what man wrote about him, God Himself will give it you fulfilling those laws in that book. .

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

But that aint gonna happen is it?

Glad you admit you pick the parts you like to make up your own god!

 

[Gary Mac]

That's a lie!

I didn't say you MISSED something. I simply agree that you REJECT the Christian Bible as you confessed for all here to witness.

Sounds like lots of irony!

Irony is a gross understatement.as in I reject the Christian bible?

Actually I live it for who Jesus said I would in the same father as he lived it. I do not reject the christian bible at all, my name is written in it, it is all about me and who I am in the Father, and it is written about all of you and who you are or are not in the Father.

As for me I am of the same God of it that says I should be like Him as Jesus was like Him, have His same mind, walk in it as He walks in it, perfect even as my Father in haven is perfect. Born of God and cannot sin because I am born of God, 1 John 3:9.

If you cannot relate to the same in yourself, then it isnt I who rejects it, it is you who rejects it to be yourself.

 

[Jack]

Irony is a gross understatement.as in I reject the Christian bible?

The Bible is the written Word of Jesus, that YOU admitted you reject!

Actually I live it for who Jesus said I would in the same father as he lived it. I do not reject the christian bible at all,

Then why did you say in post 121 that you reject most of the Christian Bible? lol

my name is written in it, it is all about me and who I am in the Father, and it is written about all of you and who you are or are not in the Father.

As for me I am of the same God of it that says I should be like Him as Jesus was like Him, have His same mind, walk in it as He walks in it, perfect even as my Father in haven is perfect. Born of God and cannot sin because I am born of God, 1 John 3:9.

If you cannot relate to the same in yourself, then it isnt I who rejects it, it is you who rejects it to be yourself.

I don't think you have a clue what you even say. You desperately need help!

 

[Gary Mac]

Glad you admit you pick the parts you like to make up your own god!

Well if the same God be in me who was in Christ is something that I made up and put in the Bible, then we dont need Jesus word at all do we, Im sufficient aren't I LOL.

Try and use a little maturity, you know very well I didnt write it, all I do is coly who Jesus said he was in god and who I should be the same in the same God as he was of. But obviously what Jesus said isnt good enough for you, that is why you follow what others had to say about it from their own perspectives instead.

And you bet I do choose what Jesus said of himself and his God who sent him, because as for me, Jesus had it right. How do I know he had it right? By identification with the same God who was in himself is in me. We are one,I and the Father are one, Jesus prayed in John 17 that I be, but obviously he didnt pray for you to be did he by your own confessions. For what Jesus said doesnt count obviously, and when he is quoted to you, you come up with pick and choose LOL. But you are spot on in that. I choose to believe Jesus, Not Paul or any other man. You act as if Jesus needed these men to show him the truth LOL. But the truth is we got our information from the creator of it. Not what someone else said about it.

And obviously that goes right over your head by your own rebuttal with Jesus in who he said he was in God.

 

[Jack]

Well if the same God be in me who was in Christ is something that I made up and put in the Bible, then we dont need Jesus word at all do we, Im sufficient aren't I LOL.

Try and use a little maturity, you know very well I didnt write it, all I do is coly who Jesus said he was in god and who I should be the same in the same God as he was of. But obviously what Jesus said isnt good enough for you, that is why you follow what others had to say about it from their own perspectives instead.

And you bet I do choose what Jesus said of himself and his God who sent him, because as for me, Jesus had it right. How do I know he had it right? By identification with the same God who was in himself is in me. We are one,I and the Father are one, Jesus prayed in John 17 that I be, but obviously he didnt pray for you to be did he by your own confessions. For what Jesus said doesnt count obviously, and when he is quoted to you, you come up with pick and choose LOL. But you are spot on in that. I choose to believe Jesus, Not Paul or any other man.

You mean Paul who wrote more Books in the Bible than anyone?

You act as if Jesus needed these men to show him the truth LOL. But the truth is we got our information from the creator of it. Not what someone else said about it.

And obviously that goes right over your head by your own rebuttal with Jesus in who he said he was in God.

I quoted your TOTAL contradictions. You contradict yourself nearly every time you post!

 

[Gary Mac]

The Bible is the written Word of Jesus, that YOU admitted you reject!

Then why did you say in post 121 that you reject most of the Christian Bible? lol

I don't think you have a clue what you even say. You desperately need help!

Nor did the Jews think Jesus had a clue what he said of the Father for the very same reason as you think the same of me. You cant know God at all least you have received the same from Him as we did. Born again of God Himself. Same renewing of mind that Jesus received from God proven in Matt 3:16 when it all was opened to him and me th very same way, and would you to if you would bow to Him and let Him and the truth is He is at your door knocking this very day and if you would let Him in, He would come to you and sup with you Himself and be in you Himself. Rev 3:20. Worked for Jesus and it worked for me the very same.

Do you know why that you cant identify with the same in you, and say that Jesus and I reject it and dont have a clue what we are talking about? I do and so does the Father of it.

We all need help and not even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16, the difference is we got our hep from God Himself.

You said I need help -- perhaps you tell us what help that you can offer that God Himself has not considered Himself that you would have the beet way than He has that He puts in man? Tell us why your way is better then His and I will drop the God of it in His ways for man kind and follow you instead, sense you have th better way then He has.

Cant wait it hear your better way that you may save me from God Himself in His ways for me.

SO help me, I dont need God at all I need you instead.

 

[Jack]

Nor did the Jews think Jesus had a clue what he said of the Father for the very same reason as you think the same of me. You cant know God at all least you have received the same from Him as we did. Born again of God Himself. Same renewing of mind that Jesus received from God proven in Matt 3:16 when it all was opened to him and me th very same way, and would you to if you would bow to Him and let Him and the truth is He is at your door knocking this very day and if you would let Him in, He would come to you and sup with you Himself and be in you Himself. Rev 3:20. Worked for Jesus and it worked for me the very same.

Do you know why that you cant identify with the same in you, and say that Jesus and I reject it and dont have a clue what we are talking about? I do and so does the Father of it.

We all need help and not even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16, the difference is we got our hep from God Himself.

You said I need help -- perhaps you tell us what help that you can offer that God Himself has not considered Himself that you would have the beet way than He has that He puts in man? Tell us why your way is better then His and I will drop the God of it in His ways for man kind and follow you instead, sense you have th better way then He has.

Cant wait it hear your better way that you may save me from God Himself in His ways for me.

SO help me, I dont need God at all I need you instead.

You rejected God of the Bible. All I can do is pray for you.

 

[Gary Mac]

You mean Paul who wrote more Books in the Bible than anyone?

Especially Paul. He made his own doctrine for Jesus. And was quick to tell you that he used trickery, witchcraft to get you to follow him instead of Jesus. He was blunt, come follow me. He didnt say come follow Jesus in which he would have if he was of the same mind, Spirit, as Jesus was of.

2 for 12:16 Let it be granted, then, that I was not a burden to you; but, crafty fellow that I am, I took you with trickery!

Otherwise duped you into following his doctrine instead of Jesus in who he said he was in God, and you are supposed to have the same, but obviously you are like Paul instead who had this thorn in his flesh which was his own desire to be exalted beyond measure for his abundance of revelations. Otherwise k=like most preaches, have his name on the marque. Just the opposite from wh Jesus said he was and did, he would do a certain thing then say go and tell no one and slip through the crowd undetected, quote th eopposit of Paul

But if Paul is your god as you follow instead, I really do iunderstsnf wy, you have no intend for being as Jesus was in GHod, holy, pure, perfect, and withjoput sin and follow Apuul who says we are just dirty ole sinners not worthy of the kingdom of God.

Quote the opposite from what Jesus taught isnt it. I know I know, my own opinion right? Even though it all is written for us all to read.

I quoted your TOTAL contradictions. You contradict yourself nearly every time you post!

Show me one time I contradicted myself! And I will correct your charge.

 

[Gary Mac]

You rejected God of the Bible. All I can do is pray for you.

How can I reject the Bible when He is in me and I am in Him as one as we are supposed to be?

Perhaps it isnt I who rejects Him to be like Him? Tell us how you are like the same God as Jesus was l like, as is commanded of you by God Himself?

Tell us plainly how you are like Jesus and have the same anointing from God Himself, born-again of God Himself with that same renewing of mind as Jesus received from Him proven in Matt 3:16.

And if you pray at all, pray that God open in you the very same as He did in Jesus, but you won't pray that at all will you? You know better than to repent of yourself and ask of God Himself. And it is very obvious that you never have asked of God Himself to He would have given you the very same as He did Jesus and all who He is come to personally and open io us who He is and all of His heaven in us. Because it is so obvious that never has happened in you by your own words that rejection to receive from God Himself of the Bible, isnt possible for you, then you have the audacity to say, all that you can do is pray for me to be like you instead of Him.

You need to get a life in the same Father Jesus had his life in.