When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

[IndianaRob]

Where in Scripture do we find your "Joels army"?

The book of Joel lol.

Jol 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;


Jol 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.


Jol 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.


Jol 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.


Jol 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.


Jol 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.


Jol 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:


Jol 2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.


Jol 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.


Jol 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:


Jol 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

 

[covenantee]

The book of Joel lol.

Jol 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;


Jol 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.


Jol 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.


Jol 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.


Jol 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.


Jol 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.


Jol 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:


Jol 2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.


Jol 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.


Jol 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:


Jol 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

What year did they destroy the temple?

 

[covenantee]

Oh yes, how original—dismissing the Word as 'gnosticative dispensational nonsense.' Truly, your creativity astounds me. I guess facts just don’t suit your taste, so calling them fancy names is easier than actually wrestling with the Truth.



Ah yes, the classic ‘70 AD escapee’ theory—how convenient to turn Scripture into a history lesson you wish were true. Funny how you manage to get the Jews, Judea, the army, and the city all wrong while insisting you’ve nailed Christ’s prophecy. But here’s the kicker: Matthew 24 isn’t a dusty archaeology assignment—it’s a blueprint for the New Testament congregation navigating spiritual deception. You can cling to your 70 AD fairy tale all you want, but it won’t change what the text actually says.

Hey TS, you should join forces with @IndianaRob; the two of you are cognitive clones. Please continue to avail us of your delusions.

 

[IndianaRob]

What year did they destroy the temple?

What’s the price of tea in China?

 

[covenantee]

What’s the price of tea in China?

Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[IndianaRob]

Thanks for the confirmation.

You’re very welcome.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The Judaean Christians.

Not one hyperspiritualized gnosticative dispensationally futurized psychotic among them.

Immeasurably smarter than you.

Like I said, you can cling to your 70 AD fairy tale all you want with supposed "Judaean Christians", but it won’t change what the text actually says. You lack the wisdom of what Christ actually talked about in His Olivet Discourse.

 

[covenantee]

Like I said, you can cling to your 70 AD fairy tale all you want with supposed "Judaean Christians", but it won’t change what the text actually says. You lack the wisdom of what Christ actually talked about in His Olivet Discourse.

The Judaean Christians didn't lack wisdom.

They survived to prove it.

Not just immeasurably, but infinitely, smarter than you.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The Judaean Christians didn't lack wisdom.

They survived to prove it.

Not just immeasurably, but infinitely, smarter than you.

Your ‘proof’ of Judaean Christians fleeing Jerusalem or Judea only proves how badly you mishandle Christ’s words. The Olivet Discourse is not about the fall of Jerusalem to Roman soldiers in 70AD at all.

• Wrong Jews: Christ was not warning the ethnic Jews of first-century Judea about the Roman armies. He was speaking to His disciples concerning His New Testament congregation—spiritual Israel (Gal. 3:29; Rom. 9:6–8). The true “Jews” are Christians, circumcised in heart, who must discern the abomination of desolation rising within the Church itself. Just as the old land of Judea served as a type, so the New Covenant “Judea” is the visible Church where apostasy takes root.
  
  
• Wrong Judea: He was not pointing to the soil of Palestine, but to the spiritual land where His church dwells, which false prophets and Christs invade (Matt. 24:24).
  
  
• Wrong army: The Romans were not the “abomination of desolation.” Jesus Himself said false christs and false prophets would be the destroyers who deceiving many.
  
  
• Wrong city & temple: Jesus spoke of His body as the true Temple (John 2:19-21). The “falling stones” were not masonry in Jerusalem, but the cutting off of the Old Covenant people when they rejected their Messiah (Dan. 9:26-27, Matt. 23:38). Christ is talking about His New Testament temple where the false prophets and christs can be found. Are your Roman soldiers the false prophets and christs?

So your 70AD tale collapses under its own weight. What you call ‘survival proof’ of wisdom is nothing but a misread of history. The true survivors are not those who fled literal city of Jerusalem, but those who fled spiritual Babylon and clung to Christ’s eternal Kingdom until Christ returns.

 

[covenantee]

Your ‘proof’ of Judaean Christians fleeing Jerusalem or Judea only proves how badly you mishandle Christ’s words. The Olivet Discourse is not about the fall of Jerusalem to Roman soldiers in 70AD at all.

• Wrong Jews: Christ was not warning the ethnic Jews of first-century Judea about the Roman armies. He was speaking to His disciples concerning His New Testament congregation—spiritual Israel (Gal. 3:29; Rom. 9:6–8). The true “Jews” are Christians, circumcised in heart, who must discern the abomination of desolation rising within the Church itself. Just as the old land of Judea served as a type, so the New Covenant “Judea” is the visible Church where apostasy takes root.
  
  
• Wrong Judea: He was not pointing to the soil of Palestine, but to the spiritual land where His church dwells, which false prophets and Christs invade (Matt. 24:24).
  
  
• Wrong army: The Romans were not the “abomination of desolation.” Jesus Himself said false christs and false prophets would be the destroyers who deceiving many.
  
  
• Wrong city & temple: Jesus spoke of His body as the true Temple (John 2:19-21). The “falling stones” were not masonry in Jerusalem, but the cutting off of the Old Covenant people when they rejected their Messiah (Dan. 9:26-27, Matt. 23:38). Christ is talking about His New Testament temple where the false prophets and christs can be found. Are your Roman soldiers the false prophets and christs?

So your 70AD tale collapses under its own weight. What you call ‘survival proof’ of wisdom is nothing but a misread of history. The true survivors are not those who fled literal city of Jerusalem, but those who fled spiritual Babylon and clung to Christ’s eternal Kingdom until Christ returns.

Keep those cultic hallucinations coming. They're great entertainment.

Hey, you forgot to mention the Judaean Christians.

I don't wonder why.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Keep those cultic hallucinations coming. They're great entertainment.

Hey, you forgot to mention the Judaean Christians.

I don't wonder why.

You mock the truth as if it were entertainment only because you are blind to it. The real hallucination is yours—you imagine lies and call them truth, while the Word of God exposes your delusion.

 

[covenantee]

You mock the truth as if it were entertainment only because you are blind to it. The real hallucination is yours—you imagine lies and call them truth, while the Word of God exposes your delusion.

The Judaean Christians.

No hallucination.

Pure Scriptural historical reality.

Always and ever Infinitely smarter than you.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The Judaean Christians.

No hallucination.

Pure Scriptural historical reality.

Always and ever Infinitely smarter than you.

Nope. But the Lord judges, and I am comfortable with it.

 

[covenantee]

Nope. But the Lord judges, and I am comfortable with it.

He judged the Judaean Christians worthy of His Divine Grace and Mercy to permit their literal physical escape and survival.

Your comfort is irrelevant.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Hey TS, you should join forces with @IndianaRob; the two of you are cognitive clones. Please continue to avail us of your delusions.

They each seem to live in their own alternate realities apart from the reality of the physical world that we live in.