The Cost of Slaves

[JohnDB]

Slavery is not a new concept....how we enslave people today is newer....and more brutal but...
When the scriptures discuss slaves, especially in the New Testament, there was a cost for these slaves, their freedom, and a medium of exchange.

Slavery was extremely common....20% of the population were slaves. They were property. Bought and sold like a used car.

 

[JohnDB]

You couldn't do just anything to a slave. Mostly you were not allowed to murder them. Just about anything else went.

 

[JohnDB]

Life was extremely brutal and cruel....

 

[Rockerduck]

Slavery exists today and always has.

 

[jaybird]

i just watched this video like 4 days ago. it was really good. i didnt know about slaves being set free when they got old as a way to get out of supporting them when they could no longer support themselves. pretty rotten.

 

[JohnDB]

i just watched this video like 4 days ago. it was really good. i didnt know about slaves being set free when they got old as a way to get out of supporting them when they could no longer support themselves. pretty rotten.

Considering about 20% of the population was a slave throughout the Roman Empire....
It gives us insight to people like Blind Bartamaus....who might have once been an important slave in charge of someone wealthy business or household. His calling out of "Son/Seed of David" indicates he was well educated at some point. Not just an average poor blind man in Jericho. He was once a "somebody" and now is a nobody....

Just musings here....

But to be tossed out because you no longer have value? That's horrible way to treat older people, slave or not.

 

[Rockerduck]

Considering about 20% of the population was a slave throughout the Roman Empire....
It gives us insight to people like Blind Bartamaus....who might have once been an important slave in charge of someone wealthy business or household. His calling out of "Son/Seed of David" indicates he was well educated at some point. Not just an average poor blind man in Jericho. He was once a "somebody" and now is a nobody....

Just musings here....

But to be tossed out because you no longer have value? That's horrible way to treat older people, slave or not.

Like I said, slavery has not stopped. I questioned civil rights activists in the 80's and 90's and got deer in the headlights look.

The Global Slavery Index identifies North Korea, Eritrea, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye, Tajikistan, the United Arab Emirates, Russia, Afghanistan, and Kuwait as having the highest estimated prevalence. India, China, Russia, Indonesia, and the United States have the largest absolute numbers of people in modern slavery.

 

[jaybird]

Considering about 20% of the population was a slave throughout the Roman Empire....
It gives us insight to people like Blind Bartamaus....who might have once been an important slave in charge of someone wealthy business or household. His calling out of "Son/Seed of David" indicates he was well educated at some point. Not just an average poor blind man in Jericho. He was once a "somebody" and now is a nobody....

Just musings here....

But to be tossed out because you no longer have value? That's horrible way to treat older people, slave or not.

i agree with you, the video pointed out lots of little things i never thought about, like the gauls being more likely to escape than german tribes (or vise versa i dont really remember). the pretty young ladies being sold as sex slaves and having to stand on the market stage while the slave trader pointed out all the physical details about her that would make her a good sex slave.i am not a women but i cant think of a worse way to rip out someones dignity. something not in the video that was unique to rome, free men (freed slaves) were not equal to citizens, they were not permitted to ever speak bad of their old master as well as many other things they could also be enslaved again with little just cause. the video pointed out things that really stuck in my mind and later have a talk with my wife about it, like was slavery one of the greater turning points in our history that made the world much worse, i think it was one of the greater evils in history.

 

[JohnDB]

Like I said, slavery has not stopped. I questioned civil rights activists in the 80's and 90's and got deer in the headlights look.

The Global Slavery Index identifies North Korea, Eritrea, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye, Tajikistan, the United Arab Emirates, Russia, Afghanistan, and Kuwait as having the highest estimated prevalence. India, China, Russia, Indonesia, and the United States have the largest absolute numbers of people in modern slavery.

There exists more than one type of slavery,
There is the kind where a person is bought and sold, often in chains or restraint of some sort....identifying collar of ownership as was discussed in the videos....

Then there also exists Economic Slavery....
Where you work for a company, rent your house from that same company, buy your groceries from that same company, and etc.

But essentially you are always in debt to the company that you work for....even if you are an "independent businessman" such as a farmer....you only are allowed to buy seed, fertilizers and equipment from the same company you sell the fruits of the field to.

The physically restrained slavery gets the attention and indeed was a focus of the USA's civil war....but in reality it was fought over the economic slavery of the entire South by businessman from the North aided by economic stimulus from the Federal Government.

Kinda a touchy subject for many....but in truth the economic situation caused the occurrence of chained slaves in the South....Farming was a LOT more labor intensive then....it wasn't until AFTER the civil war that money was finally put into researching more farm equipment to reduce the labor requirements of farming.

The USA itself was in a very strong economic position after WW2....its been suggested that we imposed a lot of economic slavery on many poor nations during the war and afterwards. Plausible enough.

Slavery reduces lifespans and removes hope. Its existed in Egypt since Abraham that the Bible records....likely long before that. Because Noah called Ham's son Canaan "the lowest of slaves"....so even pre-flood there were slaves.

We haven't really improved in 6,000 years.
Maybe at some point in the next few thousand years we will kick that habit.

 

[pandaflower]

Every race has been enslaved at one time or other. And still are in most parts of the world.

During the slave trade to the Americas,the U.S procured but 3% of slaves sold from off ships.

It was justified through invoking scripture.

The largest procurer in the Americas?
Brazil!

Now,in the U.S if you pay income tax you're a slave. Indentured Servitude.

 

[jaybird]

There exists more than one type of slavery,
There is the kind where a person is bought and sold, often in chains or restraint of some sort....identifying collar of ownership as was discussed in the videos....

Then there also exists Economic Slavery....
Where you work for a company, rent your house from that same company, buy your groceries from that same company, and etc.

But essentially you are always in debt to the company that you work for....even if you are an "independent businessman" such as a farmer....you only are allowed to buy seed, fertilizers and equipment from the same company you sell the fruits of the field to.

The physically restrained slavery gets the attention and indeed was a focus of the USA's civil war....but in reality it was fought over the economic slavery of the entire South by businessman from the North aided by economic stimulus from the Federal Government.

Kinda a touchy subject for many....but in truth the economic situation caused the occurrence of chained slaves in the South....Farming was a LOT more labor intensive then....it wasn't until AFTER the civil war that money was finally put into researching more farm equipment to reduce the labor requirements of farming.

The USA itself was in a very strong economic position after WW2....its been suggested that we imposed a lot of economic slavery on many poor nations during the war and afterwards. Plausible enough.

Slavery reduces lifespans and removes hope. Its existed in Egypt since Abraham that the Bible records....likely long before that. Because Noah called Ham's son Canaan "the lowest of slaves"....so even pre-flood there were slaves.

We haven't really improved in 6,000 years.
Maybe at some point in the next few thousand years we will kick that habit.

lots here, i may come back and say more, but another slave is the prison system, dont know about Tn but here in arkansas prisoners are payed like 50 cents (prison job) to 1.5 an hour if they contract outside the prison. and they treat them like animals, trust me i have worked for a few and it was really bad.

 

[Rockerduck]

Human trafficking, forced marriages, and forced sex workers are in the USA right now. You can buy a human being in most parts of the World right now. China uses slave labor and prison labor. It's bad all over the world right now.

 

[JohnDB]

lots here, i may come back and say more, but another slave is the prison system, dont know about Tn but here in arkansas prisoners are payed like 50 cents (prison job) to 1.5 an hour if they contract outside the prison. and they treat them like animals, trust me i have worked for a few and it was really bad.

Oh yeah....China regularly uses prison labor for massive economic benefit. But unlike America paying wages for the work (pittance it may be) in China your production is tied directly to whether or not you get food and water.

Not every prison in the USA offers work to prisoners. Most do not. In TN, the counties have control....work is usually a privilege. You have to work in some counties...picking up trash on the side of the road...all of the tasks are menial.
Unsure what the state does. Work programs usually require extra staffing....and TN has been in a huge labor shortage for a long time.

 

[Jericho]

We haven't really improved in 6,000 years.

I don't know; the pre-Christian world was a much harsher place. There wasn't much in the way of compassion or charity. Life was brutal with the constant expectancy that someone could come along, kill you, and take your stuff. Of course, bad stuff still happens in this fallen world, but the places where Christianity has touched have fared better than the rest in that regard.

 

[JohnDB]

Human trafficking, forced marriages, and forced sex workers are in the USA right now. You can buy a human being in most parts of the World right now. China uses slave labor and prison labor. It's bad all over the world right now.

I dont think we can just throw up our hands at the situation and say, "we are never going to stop it so let's just tax it"
Which is somewhat what the tariffs are about.

I met a young lady from Afghanistan who was in an arranged marriage cutting hair at a JCPenny...but she liked her husband and said he was a really good husband. Said her parents picked him out. Kinda odd to us....but it worked for her.

 

[pandaflower]

Human trafficking, forced marriages, and forced sex workers are in the USA right now. You can buy a human being in most parts of the World right now. China uses slave labor and prison labor. It's bad all over the world right now.

"We humans are wretched things." Achilles