Jesus is God

[Bladerunner]

would that be from the Bible you rewrote to back your own personal thoughts ?

the KJV, certainly not your version. Jehovah is your GOD right?

 

[ElieG12]

See my post no. 343.
No reply yet.

He's a JW.

I do wonder why it's so important for them to try to convince Christians that Jesus is not God.

They follow a religion invented in the 1800's.
What more needs to be said?

It may be because when you say "Jesus is God" you are denying that "Jesus is the Son of God", as the Scriptures teach.

 

[Muna]

It may be because when you say "Jesus is God" you are denying that "Jesus is the Son of God", as the Scriptures teach.

You hit the nail on the head for me there.

The denial of the Son, the same hath not the Father.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

the KJV, certainly not your version. Jehovah is your GOD right?

if you are trying to prove my words true you are good at it.
looks like you are trying to remove the name Jehovah from the Bible, the KJV almost did that replacing the name with LORD .
Jesus' own words '‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.''(Matthew 4:10) when you wright your own Bible you can omit those words .
replacing with '' it is me you must worship and serve me only ''

 

[GodsGrace]

You quoted a section of text that refers to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. However, your Trinitarian interpretation means for you he didn't actually died or was raised.

Hidden....

Pay attention please:

YOU said that you don't believe in Creeds.
I stated that creeds CONFIRM biblical teachings.

I stated that the very first Creed is in 1 Corinthians 15:3-8
Do YOU believe 1 Corinthians 15:3-8?

IF you do,,,then you believe in A CREED.

A creed simply explains and confirms something written in the NT to confirm what Christians are supposed to believe
BASED ON SCRIPTURE.

 

[GodsGrace]

if you are trying to prove my words true you are good at it.
looks like you are trying to remove the name Jehovah from the Bible, the KJV almost did that replacing the name with LORD .
Jesus' own words '‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.''(Matthew 4:10) when you wright your own Bible you can omit those words .
replacing with '' it is me you must worship and serve me only ''

locust...
please remove the word CHRISTIAN from your definiton on your avatar....
and go party with your JW friends.

WHY come here to try to convince CHRISTIANS that Jesus is not God?

Do you get paid for this?
Does it make you sleep better?

Do you understand that a religion that was invented in the 1800's is A CULT?

You're following the teachings of Russell
NOT of God, or Jesus or any of the writers that were witnesses to Jesus' history.

No one should even be conversing with you.

 

[GodsGrace]

but Jesus says He is GOD..

Of course Jesus is God.
Are we Christians worshipping a human person?
That would make Christianity be a cult.

I've asked a question on here several times now with no reply.
John 1:1
John 1:14

If someone would care to explain WHAT became flesh, it would be nice.

 

[GodsGrace]

It may be because when you say "Jesus is God" you are denying that "Jesus is the Son of God", as the Scriptures teach.

Same questions for you ElieG12

Let's see if you can answer them:

John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.


1. Was the Word God?
2. What became flesh?

 

[Muna]

Same questions for you ElieG12

Let's see if you can answer them:

John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.


1. Was the Word God?
2. What became flesh?

Right, who was also WITH THE GOD who MADE Jesus both Lord and Christ unto us

Luke 9:20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

And being our Lord and Christ, said

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

1 Cr 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Its the denial of Jesus as the Son here

1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

The same hath not the Father, when Peter confesses to Jesus

In Matt 16:16 Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

That is the testimony of Jesus given to us of the Father concerning him

Matt 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

 

[MonoBiblical]

I stated that Jesus is in the OT.

Exodus 3:1-6
1 Now Moses was pasturing the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the west side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.
2 The angel of the LORD appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed.
3 So Moses said, "I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up."
4 When the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, "Moses, Moses!" And he said, "Here I am."
5 Then He said, "Do not come near here; remove your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground."
6 He said also, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.


The ANGEL of the LORD appeared to Moses.
The LORD saw that Moses looked aside.
then
GOD called to Moses from the burning bush.
and He (God) said I am the God of your father,,,the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Moses was afraid to look at God.

How do you understand the above?
There is the ANGEL (messenger? Jesus?)
There is the LORD.
There is GOD

I believe LORD and GOD is the same being.
Who was the ANGEL?

I'd also refer to Psalm 110:1 THE LORD said to my Lord.
Also, Isaiah 52, 53 seems to be very clear.

And yet Justin Martyr thinks fire is the Jesus. He was wrong, and without it, there is no Jman except Jesus son of Nun

 

[MonoBiblical]

How is that?

I'd say that there is one logos...
one mind, reason, thought, word of God.

And that ONE logos of God became flesh.

Humans use Logoi at the time and are individual words. But the Greek is more abstract, it can also be something which informs and has a name. OUTOS also is a demonstrative pronoun about another noun or named thing which does something similar. The problem is that all things, whatever that is, began with or through it, and confused the poor Hellenes.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Get you a Greek interlinear.
Watchtower false doctrine inserted the "a".
And made "God" into "god"

Pretty ignorant of them since Jesus is the creator of all things visible and invisible.

What is ignorant is believing the Greek and Hebrew articles are definitive.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Hidden....

Pay attention please:

YOU said that you don't believe in Creeds.
I stated that creeds CONFIRM biblical teachings.

I stated that the very first Creed is in 1 Corinthians 15:3-8
Do YOU believe 1 Corinthians 15:3-8?

IF you do,,,then you believe in A CREED.

A creed simply explains and confirms something written in the NT to confirm what Christians are supposed to believe
BASED ON SCRIPTURE.

You’re the one missing it. As I said, you cited a passage that affirms Jesus died and rose on the third day, yet you deny he actually died.

 

[PS95]

It may be because when you say "Jesus is God" you are denying that "Jesus is the Son of God", as the Scriptures teach.

I generally don't say Jesus is God, but the Son of God, However, I find it ironic that a JW such as yourself, would rebuke that and not understand that Jesus is not an angel.

 

[PS95]

if you are trying to prove my words true you are good at it.
looks like you are trying to remove the name Jehovah from the Bible, the KJV almost did that replacing the name with LORD .
Jesus' own words '‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.''(Matthew 4:10) when you wright your own Bible you can omit those words .
replacing with '' it is me you must worship and serve me only ''

Hello JW Locust--
Truth is, Jehovah was never in the Hebrew manuscripts- YHWH was. Jehovah is a hybrid from a catholic monk who did not understand vowel pointing- Jehovah is not an English translation from anything. So if we are being honest- they could have left YHWH there but chose LORD so it could be pronounced. We don't know the proper vowels to this day. Since Jesus is the ONLY name needed for SALVATION- why do you dispute this so much? Don't you trust that Jesus is the ONLY name needed?

 

[PS95]

You hit the nail on the head for me there.

The denial of the Son, the same hath not the Father.

she is a jw. just sayin

 

[Behold]

the KJV almost did that replacing the name with LORD .

"Lord" as found as related to GOD, is not a name.
Its a Title.

Notice... "Jesus is LORD of all".

 

[Muna]

she is a jw. just sayin

She was right there though.

 

[PS95]

She was right there though.

I agree and told her that. that's why I said just sayin-. for future reference..

 

[Muna]

"Lord" as found as related to GOD, is not a name.
Its a Title.

Notice... "Jesus is LORD of all".

This verse

Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Phil 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.