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Hiddenthings
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@Truly @PS95
Here's another verse for you both to ponder
Hebrews 9:28: “So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.”
How did Jesus "deal" with sin the first time?
What was required for him to deal with sin?
Here's another verse for you both to ponder
Hebrews 9:28: “So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.”
How did Jesus "deal" with sin the first time?
What was required for him to deal with sin?
PS95
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@PS95 that last reply of yours's was a crack up!
Here it is again if you missed it
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
What you need PS is a verse which tells you the opposite.
AGAIN you cut my post ignoring the scriptures I have given you! Hilarious,.
Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension? Who said He TOOK ON angelic nature? I didn't and you know it. Sometimes I wonder if you're a troll- no one is that dense.-- seriously hahahaha
Good bye...
Hiddenthings
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We found the issue PS - you don't understand the word "not"..here it is again...
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
In short: “not” means “in no way, to no extent, or absolutely no.
Hiddenthings
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This looks lame PS.
You are trying to prove Jesus had divine nature and you quote a verse that tells you he didn't have the nature of angels (divine) but of the seed of men (Abraham)
You can't even interpret a simple verse.
Hiddenthings
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PS95
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This is becoming quite comical now. I have answered your silly Q. You just didn't like the answer.. Nothing new there.
You have been shown by 2 little verses to be in SERIOUS error and there are many more.. yet you IGNORE them.
I think that's clear as glass to all.'Now good night
I will ponder deeply upon this so forgive me if it will take me a long time to get back to you on this.
Yep, Jesus (unlike us) came down from heaven, He preexisted.
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
Jesus even existed before the world existed.
Kol 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
And it gets even better, Jesus cooperated with God the Father during creation.
I will never understand an Unitarian.
Hiddenthings
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Paul addresses this frequently in his writings. He understood that Christ bore the penalty of sin in his own body, which is why we read passages declaring that he “died to sin once” and was even “made sin.” Only a correct grasp of Christ’s nature can lead to a right understanding of the atonement. While PS asserts one position, the verses themselves teach another, further proving my original point about the impossibility of establishing hypostasis.
Hiddenthings
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This response is a case in point. Instead of engaging with the many passages of Scripture that speak directly to Christ’s true nature, you bypass them and focus only on his glorified state, which does nothing to bring you closer to the truth.
Imagine we are talking about the theme love and you keep taking me to verses on hatred.
That's effectively what you are doing...and I think you know it.
Hiddenthings
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The other issue is the same glory spoken here is also spoken of the saints. Did you pre-exist also? Or is your hope to receive another glory?
Sorry, but this will not do, and I know you and PS know it.
Maybe try again...
Hiddenthings
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John 17:5 is easy to interpret once you have all the information
“the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (Rev. 13:8) and the chief cornerstone “foreordained before the foundation of the world” (1 Pet. 1:20). In time, the preplanned building would be “fitly framed together” (Eph. 2:21) as part of the “kingdom prepared…from the foundation of the world” (Matt. 25:34).
The Master understood something which requires faith to interpret but your forced literalism is stopping you from seeing it.
Christ was indeed foreordained, but he did not come into being until he was born of the virgin Mary in the days of Herod the king. In the same way, the glory he shared with the Father was not a matter of personal pre-existence, but of God’s eternal purpose, the grand design revealed through the prophets, when “the Spirit of Christ…testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow” (1 Pet. 1:11; cf. John 12:41).
As I mentioned to PS, who is still struggling with the embarrassment of being unable to prove hypostasis, any further attempt is futile. It is far better to acknowledge this honestly and work faithfully with the Scriptures we do have, rather than inserting concepts that are unbiblical.
“the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (Rev. 13:8) and the chief cornerstone “foreordained before the foundation of the world” (1 Pet. 1:20). In time, the preplanned building would be “fitly framed together” (Eph. 2:21) as part of the “kingdom prepared…from the foundation of the world” (Matt. 25:34).
The Master understood something which requires faith to interpret but your forced literalism is stopping you from seeing it.
Christ was indeed foreordained, but he did not come into being until he was born of the virgin Mary in the days of Herod the king. In the same way, the glory he shared with the Father was not a matter of personal pre-existence, but of God’s eternal purpose, the grand design revealed through the prophets, when “the Spirit of Christ…testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow” (1 Pet. 1:11; cf. John 12:41).
As I mentioned to PS, who is still struggling with the embarrassment of being unable to prove hypostasis, any further attempt is futile. It is far better to acknowledge this honestly and work faithfully with the Scriptures we do have, rather than inserting concepts that are unbiblical.
PS95
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I can discuss it with some. I think there are 3 types of Uni's.. but not with ones who deny Jesus' preexistence.
I find them to be incorrigible
Great verses, I will add to yours
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:1 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
God created all things by Jesus Christ
Ephes 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Edit: quoted you twice
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