IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

[HealthyShape]

I dont know why you selected this verse
Scripture doesnt say they did go to all cities
They propbably didnt go to all cities and Christ hasnt returned yet either

The text does not say "after you will go to all cities", the text says "you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes", i.e. the opposite.

Let us read the Bible carefully.

 

[HealthyShape]

This generation isnt referring to that present generation at the time Jesus was on earth
The future generation that sees all those things will not pass away

Again, this contradicts the text and its context. Jesus said "this generation will not pass away", He did not say "that generation will not pass away".

And the context is:

"Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Mt 24:34

"This" generation is related to the audience called "you".

 

[Doug]

"I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven"
Mt 26:64

The KJV is a little more nuanced .................. [Mat 26:64 KJV] 64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

He wasnt saying that the high priest would see it. This was a general statement saying he would be seen at his coming

 

[HealthyShape]

The KJV is a little more nuanced .................. [Mat 26:64 KJV] 64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

He wasnt saying that the high priest would see it. This was a general statement saying he would be seen at his coming

He was not saying that specifically the high priest would see it, he was speaking generally to Sanhedrin. They were generally supposed to see it.

Jesus did not say "the Son of man will be seen coming", he said "you will see the Son of Man coming".

 

[David in NJ]

The text does not say "after you will go to all cities", the text says "you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes", i.e. the opposite.

Let us read the Bible carefully.

Two applications to that verse.

 

[David in NJ]

I do not see any connection between the quoted verse and your interpretation. It was not any general statement, Jesus was talking directly to the high priest. The KJV's "ye" is him.

And you suddenly said "He wasnt saying that the high priest would see it" - how did you get it from the text?

When is/was "hereafter" ?

 

[HealthyShape]

Two applications to that verse.

Says who? Meaning what?

 

[David in NJ]

Says who? Meaning what?

Says who?

JESUS

Meaning what?

Matthew chapter 24

 

[HealthyShape]

JESUS


Matthew chapter 24

Ok, you just say "Jesus" and you give me the whole chapter as a reference. Quite obscure. Not useful.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I would like to hear your explanation of how Elijah could be in heaven in God's presence and still be writing that 2 Chron 21:12 letter to King Jehoram some 10 years or so after his whirlwind transport.

There is more than one heaven. There is the atmospheric heaven of the skies surrounding our planet, the heaven of the sun, moon, and stars, and the third heaven of God's presence. Elijah was taken into the atmospheric heaven of our planet - not into God's presence. That honor was reserved for the resurrected ascending Christ to do FIRST before anyone else, to give Him the pre-eminence.


Scripture does not say that God took Enoch to heaven when he was translated. And Scripture does say in John 3:13 that no man had yet ascended unto heaven at that time except for the Son of Man. That restriction applied to Enoch and Elijah also.

To you rfirst line- You have dated it wrong

As to your second line- you are merely guessing. Remember on the transfiguration mount- Elijah appeared! Glorified!

So at best we do not know where God took Enoch. I cannot give an accurate answer to this apparent contradiction (which it is not, we just don't have all teh answers yet) But I kknow Elijah was caught up to heaven in a whirlwheel with cherubims and Enoch was taken by god. anything beyond cannot be proven.

 

[Doug]

It is ULTRA IMPORTANT to God for us to KNOW

You will have to tell me what you are referring to I wouldn't know what you are thinking

 

[Doug]

He was not, the text does not allow for such interpretation.

Very well

 

[Doug]

The text does not say "after you will go to all cities", the text says "you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes", i.e. the opposite.

Let us read the Bible carefully.

No idea what you are seeing here

 

[Doug]

Again, this contradicts the text and its context. Jesus said "this generation will not pass away", He did not say "that generation will not pass away".

And the context is:

"Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Mt 24:34

"This" generation is related to the audience called "you".

ok

 

[Doug]

He was not saying that specifically the high priest would see it, he was speaking generally to Sanhedrin. They were generally supposed to see it.

Jesus did not say "the Son of man will be seen coming", he said "you will see the Son of Man coming".

you according to your translation

 

[David in NJ]

Ok, you just say "Jesus" and you give me the whole chapter as a reference. Quite obscure. Not useful.

Matt ch24 is one complete prophetic message from Christ to His Sheep.

JESUS knows what He is Saying to us.

We need to know it as He knows it

 

[Doug]

He was not saying that specifically the high priest would see it, he was speaking generally to Sanhedrin. They were generally supposed to see it.

Look at the verse...................[Mat 26:64 KJV] 64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
He was speaking only to the high priest

 

[Doug]

He was not saying that specifically the high priest would see it, he was speaking generally to Sanhedrin. They were generally supposed to see it.

Ye could mean he was being non specific/it could mean the nation of Israel

 

[Doug]

Jesus did not say "the Son of man will be seen coming", he said "you will see the Son of Man coming".

It says you in your translation I guess. The KJV says ye

 

[Taken]

IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

No.

Mysterious “things” of God, Are Things God Knows and man Doesn’t.

Mysterious Secrets of God, ARE Things God Knows, man Doesn’t, BUT shall, at a point in Time, be revealed to man.


Glory to God,
Taken