Jesus is God

[Hiddenthings]

Wow.
A person who thinks he's Christian
telling a person who IS Christian
and understands the Trinity better than most...
that he's ignorant.

Good going Hidden....
Step hard on the assets that the Christian faith has to offer.

Healthy simply could not bring themselves to grasp Psalm 21 and John 5, and in the end, it all unraveled, leading them to bow out.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Here is prolonging his days

Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

You will recall the original issue in this thread was proving if Jesus had two natures.

You quote/post reveals he was under the condemnation of death and revered God and His Promise to raise him should he remain sinless.

The other issue we (David, Jesus & Paul) provided was that life (eternal) was granted Jesus by his God.

But I commend you for doing something @ProDeo could not do and that is provide a verse which speaks to Christ's true nature.

For that you gain respect.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Your posts show that there are still many basic hidden things for you to discover.

May the Lord enlighten you.

But the truth of Jesus being cursed by the Law is not one of them.

 

[ProDeo]

Matthew 16:28 is interesting, but too tired to deal with looking it up in a few different versions.

Yes, please do.

Here is what the historian Josephus said about AD 70

Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and such as belied God
himself; while they did not attend nor give credit to the signs that were so evident, and did
so plainly foretell their future desolation, but, like men infatuated, without either eyes to
see or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to them. Thus
there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued
a whole year. Thus also before the Jews' rebellion, and before those commotions which
preceded the war, when the people were come in great crowds to the feast of unleavened
bread, on the eighth day of the month Xanthicus,[Nisan,] and at the ninth hour of the
night, so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright
day time; which lasted for half an hour.

Look, I don't know the truth but while in the meantime the church is waiting for ~2000 years I am inclined to look at unfulfilled prophecies. For instance, chapters 12 - 14 of Zachariah are not fulfilled and they match pretty well with 2025, a few quotes :

Zach 12:3 On that day I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples. All who lift it will surely hurt themselves. And all the nations of the earth will gather against it.

Israel getting more isolated by the day due to the Gaza war.

Zach 12:10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

Zach 14:3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle.
Zach 14:4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward.

Could be Jesus return, He ascended to heaven from Mount of Olives and likely will return on the same place.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Hebrews 9:12, "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us (not in original MSS)."

So Jesus having receive eternal redemption because @Truly posted this

Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Now explains this:

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Can you see?

 

[GodsGrace]

Healthy simply could not bring themselves to grasp Psalm 21 and John 5, and in the end, it all unraveled, leading them to bow out.

Healthy?
Who healthy?
I wasn't referring to a healthy....
'night.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Have a look in the original - "for us" was added because of the implications.

For us is correct, since Jesus being without sin didn't need redemption. We were born fallen and in need of redemption back to God. If Jesus had sin, His blood couldn't do a thing for humanity. He was the spotless Lamb.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Healthy?
Who healthy?
I wasn't referring to a healthy....
'night.

You replied to a post which was originally to Healthy!

 

[Hiddenthings]

For us is correct, since Jesus being without sin didn't need redemption. We were born fallen and in need of redemption back to God. If Jesus had sin, His blood couldn't do a thing for humanity. He was the spotless Lamb.

Not in the original - Jesus took part in his own redemption otherwise you have nothing - no hope, no life or salvation.

 

[Hiddenthings]

For us is correct, since Jesus being without sin didn't need redemption. We were born fallen and in need of redemption back to God. If Jesus had sin, His blood couldn't do a thing for humanity. He was the spotless Lamb.

Hebrews 9:12 says: “He [Christ] did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.”

Context is Christ not you TLHKAJ!

The AV (KJV) adds the words “for us” in italics at the end of this verse, as though Christ himself had no need of salvation. But this is plainly not the case. Christ first obtained redemption for himself, and through that, for us as well. Our redemption is inseparably tied to his. As the verse itself emphasizes, “[Christ] obtained eternal redemption”—without the added words. Other translations such as the RV, RSV, and NIV omit “for us,” leaving the text to stand as written: Jesus obtained redemption both for himself and for others.

 

[Hiddenthings]

There are serious problems with your dogma, it’s abundantly clear that you do not uphold the Gospel as it was delivered by the Apostles.

 

[TLHKAJ]

So Jesus having receive eternal redemption because @Truly posted this

Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Now explains this:

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Can you see?

The scripture in Hebrews 5:7 is simple to understand when taken in the light of scripture in the Gospels. Jesus prayed to the Father to let the cup pass from Him, but being He was sent to do the Father's will, He drank of that cup.

You are using your carnal mind to try to make those scriptures mean something you prefer it to say, while ignoring literally hundreds of scriptures that point to the deity of Christ.

No, don't even try to get me to deny Jesus Christ. You are believing in a false christ who cannot save anyone. A blemished lamb could NEVER be the sacrifice.

 

[Hiddenthings]

No, don't even try to get me to deny Jesus Christ. You are believing in a false christ who cannot save anyone. A blemished lamb could NEVER be the sacrifice.

You can avoid the Scripture as much as you like and make ridiculous statements, but the truth stands.

Paul in Romans 6 clears it up though

Romans 6:10: “The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

How did Jesus die to sin once? what in him represented sin that he died to it?

I could do this all day TLHKA - in the end you will shrink back into the comfort of your dogmas.

....you actually have two problems here - can you see?

 

[Muna]

Jesus was actually made sin (that we might be the righteousness of God in him) having appeared once to bear the sins of many, and since having been made sin to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Jesus was actually made sin (that we might be the righteousness of God in him) having appeared once to bear the sins of many, and since having been made sin to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

That’s right. In this passage Paul uses ‘sin’ as a synonym for the flesh, with its inherent corruption and condemnation leading to death.

If I asked @TLHKAJ - how did Jesus "put away sin by the sacrifice of himself"

They could not answer this question without admitting a fundamental truth.

 

[Muna]

So Jesus having receive eternal redemption because @Truly posted this

Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Now explains this:

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Can you see?

Heres a few

Isaiah 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm (Psalm 16:10), Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Edit : Rearranged the greens a tad

 

[Muna]

Not in the original - Jesus took part in his own redemption otherwise you have nothing - no hope, no life or salvation.

Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Notice how Paul consistently emphasizes that life is obtained through the blood, death, and resurrection of Christ. The reason is simple: Christ himself first received that Life, and no one can come to God apart from being in him. Romans 6 explains in detail how we enter into Christ and share in that Life.

If @TLHKAJ was correct and Jesus did not receive life in himself then by implication there can be no Victory over sins flesh and they would still be in their sins.

It's a serious subject for those who take their salvation seriously.

 

[Muna]

That’s right. In this passage Paul uses ‘sin’ as a synonym for the flesh, with its inherent corruption and condemnation leading to death.

If I asked @TLHKAJ - how did Jesus "put away sin by the sacrifice of himself"

They could not answer this question without admitting a fundamental truth.

Maybe people dont know what you are even getting at, its not as if people do not know this verse, its just that you go chasing them for answers and yet you offer none.

You are about trapping people, not adding to the conversation.

 

[Muna]

Notice how Paul consistently emphasizes that life is obtained through the blood, death, and resurrection of Christ. The reason is simple: Christ himself first received that Life, and no one can come to God apart from being in him. Romans 6 explains in detail how we enter into Christ and share in that Life.

If @TLHKAJ was correct and Jesus did not receive life in himself then by implication there can be no Victory over sins flesh and they would still be in their sins.

It's a serious subject for those who take their salvation seriously.

You arrive at things in a way I would never approach them, and instead of making plain things plain you obscure them by the way you arrive at them and question others concerning them.

Obviously I am not the only one who feels this way, it seems almost purposeful