Jesus is God

[Muna]

Think better. Psal. 45 was written about a human king. Did God call "God" a human?

Besides that, there is no way someone who receive everything he got is equal to the One who give everything to him. Some people are just not even trying to reason better.

No, Hebrews 1:8 confirms Psalm 45:6 its about Jesus the Son of God

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son (Jesus) he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Same here

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

 

[Muna]

Let me ask you a favor that will help the discussion on this matter flow more smoothly: when quoting from the Old Testament, quote from a version that contains the name Jehovah where the Tetragrammaton appears.

Reading the Old Testament, no one should be confused by thinking of Jesus when it is speaking of his Father, Jehovah.

Psal. 110:5 Jehovah will be at your right hand; He will crush kings on the day of his anger.

Mine just uses LORD (in caps) I have my studies in my docs where I pull from in any discussion, so I am not going to change all the words.

But I also do not intend to keep going back and forth with you endlessly, I get bored easily

 

[ElieG12]

No, Hebrews 1:8 confirms Psalm 45:6 its about Jesus the Son of God

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son (Jesus) he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Psal. 45 was originally written about a human king. Prophetically speaks about Jesus, Ok; but the interpretation of the Psal. IS NOT God calling God that king like some people read on their versions, because God won't call anyone God since HE is the God of gods. Please, think better.

Other versions say differently: "God is thy throne".

 

[Muna]

Psal. 45 was originally written about a human king. Prophetically speaks about Jesus, Ok; but the interpretation of the Psal. IS NOT God calling God that king like some people read on their versions, because God won't call anyone God since HE is the God of gods. Please, think better.

Other versions say differently: "God is thy throne".

I think we are done, thanks for the encouragement.

 

[Bladerunner]

In 30 years of reading and engaging in debates on this subject, I’ve never seen anyone successfully prove hypostasis. It remains a man-made doctrine, and even most theologians who uphold it are candid about its lack of support.

The Apostles all understood Jesus to have precisely the same nature as you and for good reason.

Jesus was fully man and as this would suggest, His nature (- the sin part of it for He was perfect) was better than my nature. for I was born with the 'sin nature' handed down from Adam. Jesus was also fully GOD as we see at His resurrection. you do realize that after His resurrection He was here 40 more days in His heavenly ready body...No get this! Only Loving eyes ever saw His during this time and only Loving hands ever touched Him. The Word of God in Acts and beyond confirms this was true. Think about it.

 

[Bladerunner]

No, Hebrews 1:8 confirms Psalm 45:6 its about Jesus the Son of God

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son (Jesus) he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Same here

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Yes, and the Holy Spirit is of the seven Spirits of God himself. The Holy Spirit is also Fully GOD.

 

[Muna]

Yes, and the Holy Spirit is of the seven Spirits of God himself. The Holy Spirit is also Fully GOD.

In him was the fulness of God in bodily form sure

Zech 3:9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

 

[Muna]

Let me ask you a favor that will help the discussion on this matter flow more smoothly: when quoting from the Old Testament, quote from a version that contains the name Jehovah where the Tetragrammaton appears.

Reading the Old Testament, no one should be confused by thinking of Jesus when it is speaking of his Father, Jehovah.

Psal. 110:5 Jehovah will be at your right hand; He will crush kings on the day of his anger.

Oh and by the way, I had a ?? by that one verse, but I pulled that verse from the top of my study and not from below where its corrected, but I do agree with you there, we discussed that one here before and that one stands to be corrected.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Jesus was fully man and as this would suggest, His nature (- the sin part of it for He was perfect) was better than my nature. for I was born with the 'sin nature' handed down from Adam.

This you can fully prove from all the words of the Apostles.

Jesus was also fully GOD as we see at His resurrection.

This you cannot prove from all the words of the Apostles.

you do realize that after His resurrection He was here 40 more days in His heavenly ready body...No get this! Only Loving eyes ever saw His during this time and only Loving hands ever touched Him. The Word of God in Acts and beyond confirms this was true. Think about it.

Read Psalm 21 and compare with Jesus' words in John 5:26

I'm sure you will see the significance.

 

[PS95]

Thanks for all of that , I did not dive into their doctrinal beliefs, so I am going on rather blind to them, I do not even know what JW's believe either (I am out of the loop here). I do try to avoid digging into every sects things, and I am kind of weird about clicking on links in order to do so. But I can agree anyone where I might with we might agree on a thing just as I might not agree with them on some other thing. You never know, because if you are correct and have presented it well, maybe someone might catch the reasons why you do by using the scriptures and come to see it in the same way, and visa versa.

God bless you peace to you in Christ as well.

As expected HL denied what his own religion teaches. Par for the course.
I see what you do. I understand. However, In doing so, it gives these groups a platform to spread their teachings and that is their only goal.- to sew doubts and confusion by lifting context and twisting the meaning to suit their theology.

I prefer to understand what they teach, so that I can identify blatant false teachers, and not give them a platform on a Christian site and Avoid them as the Lord taught and the apostles taught. He knows best and I see the need to obey Him.
Also, consider there are new believers and lurkers and unbelievers who don't need to be fed poison and confusion.

I do not want to be taught by a false teacher who flat out denies that Jesus has a Pre-existence and who said He came down from heaven and had memories of His time with His Father prior to coming in the flesh.-
Hiddenthings/ Christadelphians and MOST UNI's.

I do not want to learn a thing from a false teacher who denies that Jesus is the Word and the Word was God..
I do not want to learn anything from a false teacher who says no one but their elite can be born again.
I do not want to learn anything from a false teacher who says they are the locusts from the bottomless pit and their King is Abaddon rev. 9 who are here to HARM you because in their minds you are not sealed with the Holy Spirit.
I do not want to learn a thing from a false teacher who teaches that physical death is how they pay for their own sins so they are resurrected sinless.. denying that only Jesus' blood can pay for our sins.
I do not want to learn a thing from a false teacher who says the gospel was fulfilled and they have a new one of 1914..
I do not want to learn a thing from a false teacher who adds words to their false bible such as "other" 4 x in Colossians and in Philippians in order to lower Jesus. and more..
---JWs--
such as Elie, Aunty Jane, theHC, Keiw and others.

I saw my parents go from uninformed Catholics to JWs. Because they had very little understanding of the scriptures and were led terribly astray thinking they were having bible studies which was really a JW book study. They both died miserably.
Perhaps, that's why I feel responsible to think of others first and protect them from heresies until they are able to handle themselves and can decide whether to obey the Lord's & apostles instructions on false teachers.

How do we know who we are posting to? GOOD QUESTION and one that this forum has yet to answer.
But once we do know.....

 

[Muna]

In him was the fulness of God in bodily form sure

Zech 3:9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Does this numberic set up sound correct for the division of the seven spirits of God ?

Isaiah 11:2 And the spirit of the Lord (1) shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom (2) and understanding (3) the spirit of counsel (4) and might (5), the spirit of knowledge (6) and of the fear of the Lord (7)

 

[Hiddenthings]

Does this numberic set up sound correct for the division of the seven spirits of God ?

Isaiah 11:2 And the spirit of the Lord (1) shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom (2) and understanding (3) the spirit of counsel (4) and might (5), the spirit of knowledge (6) and of the fear of the Lord (7)

A sevenfold Spirit, as referenced in 1 Corinthians 12:29–30. In Christ, all the “fullness” of God is gathered, echoing the imagery of the tabernacle, where the Holy Spirit dwelled (Colossians 2:9).

PS and others have absolutely no idea of the New Creation which began in Christ.

When they do the manmade fortresses in their minds will crumble!

 

[TLHKAJ]

Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

This verse really should end the debate... period. But because "hidden" insists in deception, they deliberately deny the truth that is plainly stated in scripture.

 

[Muna]

As expected HL denied what his own religion teaches. Par for the course.
I see what you do. I understand. However, In doing so, it gives these groups a platform to spread their teachings and that is their only goal.- to sew doubts and confusion by lifting context and twisting the meaning to suit their theology.

I prefer to understand what they teach, so that I can identify blatant false teachers, and not give them a platform on a Christian site and Avoid them as the Lord taught and the apostles taught. He knows best and I see the need to obey Him.
Also, consider there are new believers and lurkers and unbelievers who don't need to be fed poison and confusion.

I do not want to be taught by a false teacher who flat out denies that Jesus has a Pre-existence and who said He came down from heaven and had memories of His time with His Father prior to coming in the flesh.-
Hiddenthings/ Christadelphians and MOST UNI's.

I do not want to learn a thing from a false teacher who denies that Jesus is the Word and the Word was God..
I do not want to learn anything from a false teacher who says no one but their elite can be born again.
I do not want to learn anything from a false teacher who says they are the locusts from the bottomless pit and their King is Abaddon rev. 9 who are here to HARM you because in their minds you are not sealed with the Holy Spirit.
I do not want to learn a thing from a false teacher who teaches that physical death is how they pay for their own sins so they are resurrected sinless.. denying that only Jesus' blood can pay for our sins.
I do not want to learn a thing from a false teacher who says the gospel was fulfilled and they have a new one of 1914..
I do not want to learn a thing from a false teacher who adds words to their false bible such as "other" 4 x in Colossians and in Philippians in order to lower Jesus. and more..
---JWs--
such as Elie, Aunty Jane, theHC, Keiw and others.

I saw my parents go from uninformed Catholics to JWs. Because they had very little understanding of the scriptures and were led terribly astray thinking they were having bible studies which was really a JW book study. They both died miserably.
Perhaps, that's why I feel responsible to think of others first and protect them from heresies until they are able to handle themselves and can decide whether to obey the Lord's & apostles instructions on false teachers.

How do we know who we are posting to? GOOD QUESTION and one that this forum has yet to answer.
But once we do know.....

I certainly do not own this platform so I cannot be the one responsible for giving anyone one, and since I also do not know many of the things various sects teach I might go back and forth with one or two now and again (and disagree or agree on a thing or two, depends). But I can only see where they are coming from by reading them (if and when I actually do) on any given thread I might be participating on.

I probably wouldn't advise a young christian to join an online christian forum, they would most likely be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine blowing through them all.

But even if everyone wore name tags which named their sects, I couldn't tell you what they are into or what they espouse as the truth on their end. Not forgeting to mention, there are somethings that might be considered disputable things and others that are not but even among those thing's there doesn't seem to be a concensus, at least not that I am aware of.

Gees, I think I need a new mouse, mines acting weird

 

[Hiddenthings]

This verse really should end the debate... period. But because "hidden" insists in deception, they deliberately deny the truth that is plainly stated in scripture.

Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Jesus had no sins of his own, so in what way did he satisfy the type of the high priest? "first for his own sins"

You have been shown!

 

[Hiddenthings]

The challenge for members here who hold to the Trinity is this: how could God die to sin even once? God cannot look upon sin, much less die to it.

 

[Muna]

A sevenfold Spirit, as referenced in 1 Corinthians 12:29–30. In Christ, all the “fullness” of God is gathered, echoing the imagery of the tabernacle, where the Holy Spirit dwelled (Colossians 2:9).

I agree here, and I am open to better understanding of why the horns were added to the seven eyes in the picture of Revelation there, seeing its the combination of the two (both the seven eyes and the seven horns which are the seven Spirits of God)

PS and others have absolutely no idea of the New Creation which began in Christ.

When they do the manmade fortresses in their minds will crumble!

Why don't you stop telling peope what you believe they don't know and be contributer rather than a provoker, I could post backhanded commenst all day behind your posts telling you what you do not know, it does not make it true, nor does it hellp anyone to do that.

If you know so much then show what you know and stop telling people what they don't know.

 

[Muna]

Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Jesus had no sins of his own, so in what way did he satisfy the type of the high priest? "first for his own sins"

You have been shown!

Jesus was made sin, ours became his and his righteousness became ours

 

[TLHKAJ]

If @TLHKAJ was correct and Jesus did not receive life in himself then by implication there can be no Victory over sins flesh and they would still be in their sins.

What you've stated here is a 100% misconstruing of what I said. Idk how in the world you can interpret my words to mean this nonsense.

Jesus was SINLESS and SPOTLESS.

Hebrews 4:15, "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."

Heb 9:14, "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"

1 Peter 1:18-19
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

 

[Gottservant]

I just had my mind blown! I read "I and the Father are One" and I was thinking of saying "but remember that Jesus is God 'crucified'!" and all of a sudden it hit me: Jesus and the Father are One and they are both crucified to each other.

Now Jesus said "My Father is greater than I", what that means in part, is that the Father is more crucified than Jesus is crucified (but that does not diminish that Jesus is crucified).

Like I said "mind blown"!