Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Eternally Grateful]

You're struggling with accepting a concept here skippy.

what concept?

That Gods word is alive and powerful sharper than any two edged sword. piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

That all scripture is God breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

yes I agree with these words of scripture completely.

thats why when someone comes and con not look to the word or even comment on it (Like you have done since I first met you concerning ALL the words of Jesus in John 6. That something is in serious error with your thinking.

I have a choice to make. I can listen to you, a rando on the Internet who is pitching ideas that were considered heresies by the earliest Christians OR I can listen to people who were disciples of the apostles who teach the exact opposite of what you do and has been taught since the earliest days of Christiandom. You can blather on if you like. I might even encourage because it's kind of funny watching you flounder and demand that you're right.

No

You have a choice to make

You can read the word of God. ask God to help you understand, and when you do not understand, go fins someone and see if they can explain it to you. and then test what they say to discern if what they say is truth or not.

or blindly follow men, and spend eternity with the understanding that if those men are wrong. you lost for all eternity.

Again, If your church can answer my questions. feel free to show me the answers of why we take Jesus literally in what he said concerning the food. But reject what he said concerning that those who eat will(not might) recieve

the fact you can not do this should be a warning to you. that something is deeply wrong

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Abraham was saved in Gen 15. David was called a man after Gods own heart.

So you suggest that they did not have to believe the gospel when:

“…the gospel [was] preached also to them that are dead...” (1Pe 4:6, KJV)

You are promoting salvation without having to believe the gospel.

That is heresy.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You really can't comprehend that that's exactly what it says??????? I'm dumbfounded. What do you think, "...thou also shalt be cut off." means?

Yet YOU can not comprehend what it says

I asked you multiple times now to explain to me why what Jesus said will not come true


and you run away faster than the speed of light

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They will, if they don’t repent and believe before it’s too late…

Induviduals will. yes

But the nation will never lose, thats why Paul said God always keeps a remnant.

there is no promise of a remnant of gentiles to keep the gentiles in control of Gods word.

And, those who do repent and believe can also loose salvation if they don’t continue in the faith grounded and settled.

No.

You deny the cross. y9our tryign to insert your righteous deeds as saving yourself

good luck with this

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Abraham was saved when:

“…the gospel preached also to them that are dead...” (1Pe 4:6, KJV)

No. he was saved when.

4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

David understood the same truth

Quote what I have said that supports this ridiculous accusation.

You said they could not be saved until after death, and they had to believe in jesus

your argument is rediculous.. not my sumation of it.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Rom 11:22, KJV)

You deny the cross

Folks, I quote the scripture like the one above and this is the kind of reply I get…

 

[Ronald Nolette]

We can decide anytime to walk away. (The prodigal son) Gods mercy is endless and we can go and come back as often as we choose. God NEVER force us to stay.

But you forget, the prodigal was still a son.

Jesus promised to never leave us! If we walk away- He won't leave us.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You said they could not be saved until after death, and they had to believe in jesus

your argument is rediculous.

Not my argument, Peter’s:

“…for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1Pe 4:6, KJV)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

when you believe in a works based system.. You have no other way to believe other than there are times you meet Gods standard. and times you do not..

you have failed to understand you at no point in your life ever met Gods standard..

Well I do, but many here still allow their pride to force them into a works mentality to try to get God to owe them.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We are not discussing the group that John is talking about there.

I am discussing the word of God.

You mentioned people who deny him

John did also.

so why do y9ou deny what John said?

You have not answered the last post.

You are now diluting the conversation.

Address first what I have presented.

Otherwise this is an exercise in futility.

I did address it with scripture.\

Anyone who denys God has never trusted in God. has never been saved, and have never been sealed by the spirit.

Not everyone who goes to church is saved. the "we" in the passage is people who go to church..

If God removes ourt salvation, he deny's himself and he is proven unfaithful. Because my salvation is based on him, and his work.. I can not earn salvation. so I can not unearn it

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So you suggest that they did not have to believe the gospel when:

“…the gospel [was] preached also to them that are dead...” (1Pe 4:6, KJV)

You are promoting salvation without having to believe the gospel.

That is heresy.

lol

Who said they did not believe it
Was abraham justified in gen 15 or not? Did Moses lie? Did God lie.

You tell me

all I see you doing is what you usually do. and playing silly games..

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Abraham was saved when:

“…the gospel preached also to them that are dead...” (1Pe 4:6, KJV)

No. he was saved when.

4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?…

Then explain why Peter wrote:

“For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1Pe 4:6, KJV)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Rom 11:22, KJV)



Folks, I quote the scripture like the one above and this is the kind of reply I get…

lol

GENTILES..

Not Israel

you can not cut verses out of a passage and demand it fits your belief system.

But thats right, You do not believe All israel will be saved. God does not keep his promises in your faith..

thats why you have to work.

 

[nedsk]

Yet YOU can not comprehend what it says

I asked you multiple times now to explain to me why what Jesus said will not come true


and you run away faster than the speed of light

Whenever I get three responses to my one I know I've hit my mark.

You haven't given me a reason to take you seriously. Maybe try doing that instead of crying

 

[nedsk]

But you forget, the prodigal was still a son.

Jesus promised to never leave us! If we walk away- He won't leave us.

Yes I never claimed otherwise. But he was an son removed from God by his choice. He wasnt abandoned he walked away. Being a son doesn't guarantee anything.

True but salvation will not be ours.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then explain why Peter wrote:

“For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1Pe 4:6, KJV)

see, this is what happens when you cut verses out of a conversation.

1 Peter 4: 3 For we have spent enough of our past lifetime in doing the will of the Gentiles—when we walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries. 4 In regard to these, they think it strange that you do not run with them in the same flood of dissipation, speaking evil of you. 5 They will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

who are they that will give an account?

Do I need to break this down for you too?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Whenever I get three responses to my one I know I've hit my mark.

You haven't given me a reason to take you seriously. Maybe try doing that instead of crying

lol

yet you are the one who can not answer simple questions, I have answered every question you have asked. and broken scripture down we are discussing (you have not even tried)

then demand I take you seriously

dude, your just playing games now.. How old are you?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

GENTILES..

Not Israel

“And they [Israel] also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Rom 11:23, KJV)

If they ISRAEL abide not STILL IN UNBELIEF.

 

[nedsk]

what concept?

That Gods word is alive and powerful sharper than any two edged sword. piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

That all scripture is God breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

yes I agree with these words of scripture completely.

thats why when someone comes and con not look to the word or even comment on it (Like you have done since I first met you concerning ALL the words of Jesus in John 6. That something is in serious error with your thinking.

No

You have a choice to make

You can read the word of God. ask God to help you understand, and when you do not understand, go fins someone and see if they can explain it to you. and then test what they say to discern if what they say is truth or not.

or blindly follow men, and spend eternity with the understanding that if those men are wrong. you lost for all eternity.

Again, If your church can answer my questions. feel free to show me the answers of why we take Jesus literally in what he said concerning the food. But reject what he said concerning that those who eat will(not might) recieve

the fact you can not do this should be a warning to you. that something is deeply wrong

I've laid it out for you 100 times. You want it again?

I can listen to you, a rando on the Internet, or I can listen to Ignatius of Antioch who was a disciple of John. If I have to explain to you why I chose the latter over the former then I better understand why you believe heresies.

I'm going to copy that and paste it to every reply I sent to you from now on because I know you cant grasp it but I'll keep on trying.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

explain why Peter wrote:

“For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1Pe 4:6, KJV)

1 Peter 4: 3 For we have spent enough of our past lifetime in doing the will of the Gentiles—when we walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and…

I am still waiting for your explanation.

What you posted is totally irrelevant.